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id never troon out. I'll kill myself before that.
I just dont think chuds here actually know what's it like feeling and living like with a mental illness this. every mannerism, word I say, way I stand, smile, anything I do makes me feel like a girl. imagine always feeling like a chair, and society telling you, "its okay to feel like a chair, you are a chair, and people HAVE to see you as a chair, you're a chair, okay? even though you're a table we'll just add some grotesque version of a back holder to affirm your chairness." it doesn't help I'm fucking 5'2 with huge fucking lips and eyes. Creepy old men and other faggots hitting on me hitting doesn't help. I just want to fucking be normal. I wanna feel like the man I am. I wanna laugh over beers with some buddies or do all the unspoken male shit.
Does Jesus really help?
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try going to the gym and getting more male friends and making habits to increase your testosterone, and the biggest thing, NEVER WATCH PORN, masturbating is bad too but porn is the big cause for all this, also avoid talking to troons because all they'll do is encourage you to ruin your life, you were born a male and you have the potential to become a great man, height can be a set back but there are other ways to make yourself attractive, just don't Troon out and don't kill yourself
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Christianity only helps you repress your neurosis. The only way out is to shrimply accept the way you are, and then try your best to mitigate your dysphoria. If you are having serious issues you could ask a doctor for test supplements, or just try anything to get your test up. But if I'm being honest, even if you magically became more masculine tomorrow it would still be over for your because no matter how masculine you are a 5'2" man is constantly going to struggle with their masculinity simply because he can't go anywhere without being mogged.
My advice? Redefine what it means to be masculine. You can be a good man without looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Masculinity comes from a few qualities, everything else is a result of our culture and superfluous. Those qualities are thus: Exceptional emotional regulation, Being able to withstand great discomfort (physical and emotional), being able to protect yourself and what's yours (we don't live in the stone age, you can do this easily with a gun, no matter your physicality), have a purpose (you can't sit and look pretty like a woman, you need to do something with your life). Be confident, competent, and you will eventually find your way. Try and find a girl that likes twinks and learn to take twink jokes on the chin and you'll be ok. You'll still have to fend off advances from fags and creeps, and your homeboys might want to fuck you, but hey; Life is all about compromise.
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>>58741 (OP)controversial opinion but do whatever the fuck you want to do. life's too short to be someone you hate. I will say though don't chop off your dick you'll probably regret it
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βΆChud (You) Just now β58760[Quote]
>try going to the gym and getting more male friends
i'm literally 90 pounds and I'd just get attracted to them
>and making habits to increase your testosterone,
maybe, I think I'm deficient
>and the biggest thing, NEVER WATCH PORN, masturbating is bad too but porn is the big cause for all this,
I've always felt like a girl. porn or masturbation didn't cause this. although, I agree about porn. porn isnt a good sex substitute long term, and the industry is so gross. I've always felt like a girl, and girls treat me like one. I didn't know i was supposed to be a boy till like early 1st grade.
>also avoid talking to troons because all they'll do is encourage you to ruin your life,
true. most of them are soooo fucking weird and groomy. real girls are my friends. my oldest friendship is 10 years with this one girl. shes actually one of the few people I've confided to about this. most troons are smelly, gross, balding guys with a weird fetish.
>you were born a male and you have the potential to become a great man, height can be a set back but there are other ways to make yourself attractive, just don't Troon out and don't kill yourself
Thank you. the muh suicide was really just an exaggeration. I don't think I've ever met a man my height. maybe one 5'5 guy but even from my eye level that's pretty tall. I guess I'm just doomed.
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>My advice? Redefine what it means to be masculine. Masculinity comes from a few qualitie, Exceptional emotional regulation, Being able to withstand great discomfort (physical and emotional), being able to protect yourself and what's yours.
this is actually really good fucking advice. ive never felt "mogged" by guys and you might this funny but I've definitely felt "mogged" by girls who I thought were super pretty around guys I've liked.
I guess I could use that for an advantage? I don't feel mogged by other guys. in fact, lol, a few girls have shared they really liked me. most of them were the bi, septum, dyed hair archetype, one of them was also like super tall like 5'11. so I don't think k I'd have an issue with attracting them its just I don't think that attraction would be reciprocated. how do I just start liking girls? is it the test thing? would I still feel like a girl after redefining masculinity?
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>>>58741 (You) (OP)
>controversial opinion but do whatever the fuck you want to do. life's too short to be someone you hate. I will say though don't chop off your dick you'll probably regret it
maybe this is it. maybe this is just it. maybe I just should embrace it, uuuughgheugfiuefcdjskcsdnckdsj' nigga
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>>58765he's a real guy, you're not. now pipe down NIGGER.
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>>58766god forbid i try to relate to someone
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>>58751Best take on masculinity Iβve heard in a long time.
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>>58741 (OP)im very sorry
become a monk or a philosopher
good luck
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Shoot yourself.
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wdym huge lips? are you a magic nigger femboy? wtf?
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>>58761>i'm literally 90 poundslol and you wonder why nobody treats you like a man, pick up the fork already faggot. No wonder you're 5'2, fucking malnourished kek.
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stop talking and thinking like a little girl it gets reflected on the outside too
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>iβll chime in and give my two cents, obviously i heavily relate not for the same reasons (if youβre a bio male that is, i canβt really tell what side youβre talking about here) but i do understand what it feels like and it is fucking awful. i feel like a male in every way but physically i do not match. i want to throw up at the thought of how i am perceived publicly i cant believe the world was cruel enough to make me a girl at birth.
you get it.
>and yes of course i have internalised transphobia i dont even like trans people that much ive never been apart of any trans or lgbt group because i do not fuck with the demographic.
im a "trans girl" that just larps irl as a turbomanlet twinky guy. I cant deal with the social ostracization that comes with being lgbt or trans from my family. although any friend that knows me close knows I'm atleast some kind of gay. my mannerisms are very effeminate, and I have a super softspoken high pitched voice. Among the "LGBT" community, I've noticed each section of the generalized community is diiferent, with gay guys being the somewhat most "normal" and then ;lesbians and after that its just super skewed off and weird. like most troons and lgbt(kjsdsfry456dcnsdkc) are just so fucking weird.
>i get what you mean about wanting to do normal male things, looking girly being short etc, even though i have started hormones im extremely black pilled and there is no denying being a man is harder.
what's been the hardest change? my whole life I've really never been "treated as a man" so that might've amplified some of the dysphoria I feel about being a girl. I wonder if your hardest change has been not being respected enough by other men, hence the blackpill.
>iβm going to be stuck as an ugly manlet for life but as much as i care, im so much happier than i am if i were to stay living female
atleast you're happier.
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>wdym huge lips? are you a magic nigger femboy? wtf?
no I'm white. I just have huge lips and eyes for some reason. my mom and dad both have pretty big lips.
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>>58785"femboy" is a term created by pedophile groomers to groom young susceptible men into becoming emasculated faggots that dress in a way sexually appealing to the groomers, they make them into pathetic inconfident men plagued with mental health issues that eventually kill themselves or grow out of the grooming. transgender "women" are created the same way, though usually they are groomed by other trannies instead of men attracted to trannies. oftentimes these young men are social outcasts with mental disabilites like autism, making them very easy to groom online. once you learn this you will be disgusted by the term "femboy" and all who use it, whether they have knowledge of it's origin or not. the reason there are so many "femboy" "memes" online nowadays, even in normie spaces like TikTok and YouTube, is because these groomers want to widen their reach and normalize the grooming.
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>>>58761 (You)
I love eating. im not some anorexic BPD weirdo, I'm littery just 5'2 and my weight is genetic. My mom and grandma are very, very skinny. I could top out at probably like 120ish pounds.
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>stop talking and thinking like a little girl it gets reflected on the outside too
what an odd thing to say? wtf? that's not how it works.
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>>58762I'm not sure if you're biofem or biomale but unfortunately you can't really change your sexual preference unless you psyop yourself with porn, and even that is tenuous because real life is nothing like the fantasies you create for yourself. I don't take test, I like girls naturally, so it might change your preference. But if guys like you (and some guys will like you) and you like guys I would just be "gay". Its better than pretending you like girls and ending up in a terrible relationship built on lies and repression. There are some gay posters that want to pretend to be straight to fit some sort of chud ideal but it will never work, unless you and your partner have an agreement.
As for your other question, I would hope so. It will take a lot of work to cleanse yourself of the images and values our culture associates with masculinity, it will not be easy. Its kind of gay and effeminate (You see? Even after I've changed my own definition I still fall prey to the spirit of the times. Perhaps we will never truly be free.) but affirmations work. Remember, you are not your thoughts. They do not represent you, nor do they define you. But they do inform your reality. You have to weed your mind if you want flowers to grow. Act like a man, take pride in it, and quiet the voice in you that says you're a woman/too effeminate/ect. You can't kill it, it is a part of you and you must accept it, but you can integrate it into yourself and simply quiet the voice down until it doesn't affect you anymore. When you act in a way that is masculine, say to your heart; "I am masculine. I am a man.", if it responds with venom, and tells you you are anything but, reply to it simply, and say; "Do you not see how I act? Do you not feel how I feel? My soul is that of a man, and my appearance matters not.". If you act in a way that is feminine, and feel shame and dysphoria, say to your heart; "I abide the masculine principles well, and I hold them above all others. I am masculine, I am a man". And if your heart replies and tells you you act as a woman would act, tell it this; "A man can contain multitudes. I follow and venorate the masculine principles, my soul belongs to a man, my mind thinks like a man, and my heart is that of a man's. Clearly, I am masculine at my root. What does it matter if there is a flower atop my stem?" You might feel like your lying to yourself at first, but keep telling yourself that or something similar. Eventually you will believe it.
If you remember nothing else, remember this; People, and the societies we have created, place too great an importance on physical qualities. What you look like often eclipses what you are, and people will treat you according to the physical without looking deeper. This is something in yourself that must be killed. You must realize the truth, and that is that what is material is impermanent, imperfect, and can never fully represent a man. You soul however is the wellspring from which all that is "you" emanates, often times it is incongruent with the physical, because the material is by nature imperfect. When people interact with you, show your soul to them, and if they are good and worth talking to, they will receive you as you are, and not what you appear to be.
TL;DR, don't pretend to like women because you think it'll make your dysphoria go away, you'll hurt yourself in the long run. And stop caring about how you look or present, what is at your core is what truly matters. Dress as masculine or as feminine as you want, and act natural. If you naturally act like a man, they will receive you with open beers.
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Jesus loves you bro.
There is a reason you were born, go and find out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUV_RB--6zQily bro please dont give up
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>>58820i think the hardest change is probably fitting into male spaces and feeling masculine enough. i wouldnβt call myself super girly but yknow of course i was born one so itβs always gonna be a struggle. but i know itβs similar for bio males who are short and deemed more feminine and thatβs what i feel like. and i consume so much bp content that im constantly insecure and dysphoric because my bone structure will never be the same as a biological male, ill never grow taller, by a large majority i will never be seen as a man. so yes definitely being not respected by biological men has been an issue for me hence the consumption of bp content. and nearly everything about girls having it easier dating wise, not being judged, MENTAL HEALTH MATTERS OMGSISA!!!! etc is true. men are treated worse than women in general society. and even me being trans not born as a male, these repercussions have also affected me.
when i came out my mother was not happy and she still isnβt, she cried begging for it not to be real when i told her and that was hard. but i needed to do it for my own sake. but yeah most troons are crazy weird. iβve only started trusting and interacting with transmedicalists because theyβre normal. but even then i barely interact.
i am much happier, and if you think doing the same will make you happy too, i would reccomend it
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>>58917stop saying bio(gender) just say real, mtf trannies aren't real women so when you say real woman we know you're talking about actual biological women
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>>58921>bio malesyou mean real men
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Dude Youre 5β2 ATP just troon out bc life is easier as a women. You would pass better then 90% of troons anyways nigger
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>>58937groomer logic, there have been lots of great men that were short, nothing about his biology makes him girl like he's just a little smaller
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>>58921>it's similar for bio males who are short and deemed more feminineno it isn't, dumbfuck.
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>>58932I don't have to specify that biomales or biofemales are real men and women because it is already a widely known fact. Stop leaking your clitty chud
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>>58741 (OP)It sounds like you don't have gender dysmorphia in the sense that you want to be a girl. Just that you're an insecure guy who feels emasculated by his feminine features.
If it really bothers you that much then go to the gym or whatever. But ultimately you will have to accept and make peace with being short or having doll eyes. It's not a big deal at all. Just look at prince. He was pretty, short and dressed feminine but was still secure in his masculinity and smashed tons of pussy.
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>>58784OP this is the solution do it do it do it
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>>>58762 (You)
>TL;DR, don't pretend to like women because you think it'll make your dysphoria go away, you'll hurt yourself in the long run. And stop caring about how you look or present, what is at your core is what truly matters. Dress as masculine or as feminine as you want, and act natural. If you naturally act like a man, they will receive you with open beers.
I read it all but just replying to the tldr for the sake of the format
thank you. you're based
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>There is a reason you were born, go and find out.
I already have. its called reproduce and die. the inherent meaning of life is to create more of it, any other perspective is just a philosophical take on existentialism.
but since I'm a closeted troon I cannot complete this purpose so I must figure out how to maximize the quality of life I was unwillingly given
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>>>58820 (You)
>i am much happier, and if you think doing the same will make you happy too, i would reccomend it
I seriously might. like actually. how did u come out though? how should I come out to minimize any sort of social ostracization and or hatred/any other negative feedback. this shits scary.. but I know if I keep living as a man I'll just feel more trapped in my own body. I want to be free.
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>>58962I only read the OP btw so forgive me if I'm way off base
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>Dude Youre 5β2 ATP just troon out bc life is easier as a women. You would pass better then 90% of troons anyways nigger
another odd thing to say what? as a "women" okay? as much as I "pass" I'll still never be a real women, just some intimation.
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>>58987gender is just a set of cultural norms and attitudes. if you really feel more comfortable presenting more feminine and liking dudes then just do that nigga. It's not the middle ages anymore you dont have to live miserably in the closet about whatever. You don't even have to put a label on yourself just dress and act in the way that makes you the most comfortable. "Masculinity" and "Femininity" are social construct. Things that shift and change to fit societies needs. No reason to get so worked up about it.
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>>>58987 (You)
>No reason to get so worked up about it.
not everyone lives in a progressive utopia populated by the most cucked redditors. alot of us still have those gen x parents who are alcoholic assholes because its not the time they grew up in anymore. (aka literally peak human civilization) and are just bitter shells of their former selves. I don't want to be seen and treated differently forever by the people I love.
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>>58991Thats sucks bro </3 I think you're better off asking gay people who have been in that situation before or making connections with queer people in your community. Think theater groups or book clubs and shit. Get someone to talk to.
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>>58989>"yeah bro you're a manlet, so you should go get sodomized by some disgusting faggot and contract HIV and develop fecal incontinence so you can become a real woman lololol. Gender is just cultural norms bro!"retarded nonsense, despite them calling themselves trans"genders" transitioning has nothing to do with gender and *never* has. Wanting to be a woman is wanting to change your sex, end of, "gender not sex" is just cope. Gender exists to categorize behaviors that aren't strictly biological, that's all it actually is. The idea that imitating the non-physical aspects of the opposite sex (or "gender") would make you a woman is fucking retarded because being a woman is biological and 'society' expecting women to act a certain way does not change that, nor does it mean anyone will actually think of you or or honestly treat you as one. All 'defying' gender norms does is, funnily enough, render them less accurate towards categorizing female behaviors because a man is now copying them as well. "Masculinity" and "femininity" are things associated with men & women respectively, emasculating yourself will not make you a woman in any way. And they are not "social constructs", the mental differences between the sexes are inherent and obvious.
>>58921so much happier amirite. Definitely not trying to validate your own horrible choices or anything like that…
>>58824>my weight is genetic? Maybe in the sense that behaviors and by extension appetite are genetic, but unless you have some kind of severe birth defect, that is definitely not the case and you can gain weight by just… eating more calories.
>>58741 (OP)>can't spell words correctly>whiny and overly emotional>5'2>doesn't know how to reply12 years old award
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>>>58989
I dnr read most of ur spurgslop but it could be based if I cared and dude ur just as much of a loser as us on here get a grip like you're wasting your time replying to a gender dyphoria thread on fucking soyjak party with your wojak memes
on a real not i feel just as scared as Chris about going into my 20s. the future is just so uncertain. I don't like the unknown.
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>>58995>I dnr read most of ur spurgslopYou did "read read" all of my "spurgslop" and then got angwy and said you didn't because you knew it was all undeniably true and prophetic.
>ur just as much of a loser as usNever said or really implied whatsoever that I wasn't, but the fact that you felt as if I was above you and needed to try and drag me down to your level with some seethepost like this suggests otherwise.
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>>>58995 (You)
>You did "read read" all of my "spurgslop" and then got angwy and said you didn't because you knew it was all undeniably true and prophetic.
>>ur just as much of a loser as us
>Never said or really implied whatsoever that I wasn't, but the fact that you felt as if I was above you and needed to try and drag me down to your level with some seethepost like this suggests otherwise.
lol ok u win but I actually dnr. I will read now though because I would like to sperg out aswell.
>"transitioning has nothing to do with gender and *never* has. Wanting to be a woman is wanting to change your sex, end of, "gender not sex" is just cope."
okay, based. good start. I feel like a women. well, "what is a women?" the Charlie Kirk niggas ask, and to that I say the inherent characteristic of the xx.
Well, what are the inherent characteristics of the xx?
>"the mental differences between the sexes are inherent and obvious." (again, based)
wanna know something more mindblowing then another troon killing xerself? my mental illness is a result of a neurological condition that makes my brain more similar to a real womens then a real mans. IM TRAPPED IN A FUCKING BODY IM TRAPPED IN A FUCKING BODY EVERYTHING I DO FEELS LIKE A FUCKING GIRL I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING GIRL I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING GIRL IM TRAPPED IM TRAPPED IM TRAPPED
>"Gender exists to categorize behaviors that aren't strictly biological, that's all it actually is"
Yes. based again. ok. ur more based then I thought u were lol. I was srsly not expecting that. Pink was literally masculine 100 years ago. Does that change the male and females behavioral psychology? no
>Maybe in the sense that behaviors and by extension appetite are genetic, but unless you have some kind of severe birth defect, that is definitely not the case and you can gain weight by just⦠eating more calories.
Yeah but I'm 5'2. I couldn't be even be like 130 pounds without looking like a monster. im like 98ish. that's normal. I like eating.
>5'2
I actually like being this short
>doesn't know how to reply
ok fuck u /s or something still fuck u kinda I can reply
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>>58997>my mental illness is a result of a neurological condition that makes my brain more similar to a real womens then a real manshow's that work?
>I can replyyou always click quote instead of clicking on the number of the post you're replying to
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>>58985i just walked into my dad's room and told him, i had already been going by a different name for years but he thought it was a nickname with a backstory so i just walked in and confessed the name wasn't just a nickname. then i called up my mom and told her too. she didnt take it very well though she still texts me begging for me to just be a dyke geg
i felt the same feeling of being trapped and outcasted my whole life until i started taking hormones
>inb4 "POONER GROOMING YOUNG MAN INTO TRANSITIONING"im just stating my personal experience, hormones are a really big decision. i spent over 3 years contemplating weather or not to go on them in fear that id make the wrong decision or want to detrans eventually. but not being on hormones made me want to ACK- so it was the right decision for me.
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Shut the fuck up, Pedonigger.
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>>59013I meant to reply to the troon. I missclicked.
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I think the real issue is that you are a guy and want to be one but everything you do makes you feel like a woman, so its not that you are a woman or you want to be one its just that the way you act and look makes you feel like one, I don't think you'd be happier trooned out like the pooner is telling you, but I can't really give you some catch-all advice that you're looking for, if anything just don't worry about that much, I know it sounds weird but think of how many great men we look upon today that acted more feminine instead of traditionally masculine, think Micheal Jackson, he had a very high voice but no one doubted that he was a man, no one will doubt that you're a man because you move your hands or walk weird, you don't have to become a rainbow-clad faggot but you also don't have to become le based gigachad, also Jesus is the way the truth and the life but I don't think he'll immediately make you more masculine, he'll make you happier if you really believe but maybe this is your cross to bear, also building some muscle and eating more could definitely help you look less like a girl, and the extra testosterone you're producing could help you feel/act less like one, also if you're still 17 or 18 you can actually still reach your max potential height if you eat more and take better care of yourself
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if youre attracted to men, you just have to kill yourself. dont transition, killing yourself would be a better idea
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>>58741 (OP)just become a girl lol
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>>58741 (OP)btw are you cute?
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>>58994>transitioning has nothing to do with gender and *never* hasEntire argument based on a falsehood. Don't even need to read the rest of it.
Cope. In 2050 gender will be completely abolished lol.
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>>59013>>59019Conservatives are acc so hilarious bro </3 They call you a pedo for not telling queer kids they should kill themselves.
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>>59110telling confused children they should kill themselves is retarded, what you do is just as bad, you are a dirty fucking groomer and one day you'll get what's coming to you.
>>59129why are you even still here? do you get off on the negative attention? you're a woman and you always will be. feeling like a man doesn't mean anything.
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>>59130Lol how you actually think that telling children to kill themselves is just as bad as… letting a kid deviate even a little bit from traditional gender roles </3
>>59128It doesn't need a counter argument because the thesis statement is demonstrably false.
The overwhelming majority of GENDER transition is based on changing secondary sexual characteristics, demeanor, and clothing to fit that of the opposite sex. All things that are almost 100% rooted in GENDER.
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>>59151>thesis statement is demonstrably false.>"It can be countered, so it doesn't need a counter argument!"Just lol. That's why you had to ignore every actual point
made to elaborate on said 'thesis statement' and instead attack only it. Right. It was because you couldn't, as I already said.
>The overwhelming majority of GENDER transition is based on changing…to fit that of the *opposite sex*Thanks for saying it for me KEK, because it is about sex, not gender, as was my point. It is an imitation of the opposite sex born out of a desire to be said sex. They copy that sexes gender (very poorly, I might add) because that is as close as they could possibly get to ever being that sex. unless, I guess you count dropping a small fortune to get a festering axe wound where your cock should be. I suppose you would *also* have to ignore just how many troons either are or wish to be on hormones. Which, guess what, has nothing to do with gender, and is entirely sex-related. But sure, just ignore nearly every single troon ever raving about their estrogen, how heckin validating it is, how much they need it/want to be on it, how they wish they got on it sooner, homemade troonshine, the insane amount of memes, encouraging others to get onto it ect… Hell, even the pooner in this thread mentioned it several times! Funny that the thing troons talk about changing *the most* is their hormonal balance, which has absolutely nothing to do with gender. This is why "Transsexual" has always been the more fitting term, despite the arbitrary hamfisting of gender into that of a 'mental sex' to try and make the idea less retarded and insane.
Which is why larping as a woman has never actually made anybody happy (Excluding the boner they get from wearing their moms panties, I guess) and why half of them try to off themselves. Because "changing your gender" still leaves the real desire of "changing your sex" unfulfilled.
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Subhuman thread, kill yourselfs
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>I'm fucking 5'2 with huge fucking lips and eyes
Filipino?
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>>59151I don't think there's anything wrong with letting a kid act or dress a little differently, but when you tell them they'd be better off as the other gender or even offer it as a choice you have effectively doomed them to becoming a suicidal freak. transgenders are never truly happy and its evident in their behavior and especially in the statistics. grooming a child and telling them they could become another gender should come with a prison sentence, because its a dangerous lie that does nothing but influence them to dig deeper in this disgusting rabbit hole of porn addiction and degeneracy. you are either a groomer playing down your own actions or a grooming victim trying to justify how your life was ruined.
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I did not read the thread btw
<plebbit
Gender = sex, sex = gender, anyone telling you that there is some "gender identity" or any other sshit iss a mentally ill retard that got groomed or brainwashed
<reddit
wanting to be a woman as a man or the other way around comes from the lack of male / female attention, look at it thiss way,
you want something really badly so sslowly you become more and more obsessed about it until you eventually become so obsessed tht you start to not only want to "own" that thing but "Be" that thing, similar thing happen when you don't eat anything, when you're starving you are able to eat anything just to survive and you don't care becoue you're fucking starving and you'll eat anything
<'preddit
the reason that dykess and fagss exist iss becousse they are either totally mentally ill from the sstart (irreverible) or they got braiwahed or mindbroken by porn and oversexualised sshit being sshown to them too much, your environment is everything.
<reddittttt
Most of the time you grow out of being a fag, especially if you're underage.
my dad had a friend who told everyone he'ss gay, but when he turned 24 he stopped being a fag.
What "liberalss" (Read: total nigger faggot troons that ssshould be thrown in jail and castrated) like to do is tell underage people and kids about being a tranny and a fag, and the sexually confused teens later think that they are "asexual" or gay becouse they don't feel attraction to anyone, (which is totally normal when you're a teen, it's natural to have a weird sexual compass when you're a teenager, and YES it IS a phase, and YES IT WILL go away after reaching maturity)
Tl;dr
You'll probably grow out of feeling like this, don't liten to troons, don't watch porn (if you're addicted then try to occupy yourself with omething else and quit)
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>foid nigga got harassed too much by men and developed an obsessive fantasy of being a man to escape womanhood
lmao retard
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>>>>58991
im happy to help out whenever and talk you through it since ive been there before
thank you real on chris griffin
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>>>58741 (You) (OP)
>btw are you cute?
I've literally been rated "boneless htn" by incels and have straight men saying "why is bro cute" dude
i'm 5'2. I have huge blue eyes and cupid lips dude.
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>>>58741 (You) (OP)
>just become a girl lol
probably
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>>>>58741 (OP)
>>just become a girl lol
>>>>58741 (OP)
>>btw are you cute?
lol
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>>>58994
In 2050 gender will be completely abolished lol.
nah I think people will just give a fuck even less then they already do
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>>>59019
>Conservatives are acc so hilarious bro </3 They call you a pedo for not telling queer kids they should kill themselves.
idrc bc I'm not suicidal but I understand their perspective kinda. their version of a utopia is kinda based ngl to bad its impossible and the world will become more reddit with every passing second
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>>>59110
>why are you even still here?
he already said why
>you're a woman and you always will be. feeling like a man doesn't mean anything.
holy fuck where is your empathy? you guys will say this but he's literally living the life of a manlet sub5. he is living the life of a sub5 manlet because he has to feel a bit better then the alternative. put yourself in his shoes for one second omg
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>>59273don't troon out, it leads to the 41% and being a troon is worse than death
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>>59278>muh empathy>muh hekin good human beingYou're a pooner, you will never be a man, you keep convincing yourself that you do not care about the opinion of other yet in reality you desperatly chase it and want valiation, when confronted you get defensive. the truth is that you are not a man and you will never be a man no matter how much you try. wanting something to change doesn't mean it will. give up. stop trying to convince yourself that you're a man, stop trying to become something that is impossible to achieve. be what you are. be how you were created, there is not a single bad thing about being what you are or how you look or how you act, don't try to change yourself to fit some made up narrative that you know deep inside is fals and dumb
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>>>59151>>59156Giggers are literally subhuman GEG!
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>>59278>there is not a single bad thing about being what you are or how you look or how you actApparently you are a single digit iq retard that can't read the OP, this is on the same level as helpfulness as telling a depressed person to "just be happy"
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>>>59278 (You)
>you will never be a man
thanks for affirming my gender dysphoria that stems from a neurobiological basis!! maybe.. idk.. read next time bc u might accidentally affirm someone again!
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>>59287i though i was quoting the griffin pooner
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>>59288Nigger tier activities
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>>58741 (OP)I feel for you bro. I feel terrible for you. I have similar problems but less extreme. I'm like just below average height in my country, I have a decently masculine build but my hips are pretty wide, my face is kinda feminine(my lips are thick and I have thick eyelashes). I like girls and guys and I fucking hate myself. I need to and hav been trying (though I need to try much harder) to find God. I feel weak and emasculated every time I'm around a lot of guys and I feel like I'm not normal. Denying it didn't work so I don't know how to manage it.
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>>59276The 1950s already happened and besides the economy (from WW2 boom), it was absolute dogshit. Mentally ill housewives were on 5x the amount of pills and the dysfunction in families was exasperated by the idea that the father was infalliable and the social stigma around divorce.
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>>59156>Just lol. That's why you had to ignore every actual pointYes. Because every "point" was based on the idea that the thesis statement was true. It was not, so all that is needed is to disprove the thesis statement.
Ex: The sky is green. The sky is green because of chlorophyll in the air. The chlorophyll in the air allows us to breathe sunlight
Every following statement is based on the FALSE idea that the sky is green. So all that needs to be disproved is that false original statement.
Like your next paragraph. All I need to read is the first sentence to know the rest of it is false because you completely misinterpreted my argument.
<The overwhelming majority of GENDER transition is based on changing…to fit that of the *opposite sex*>Thanks for saying it for me KEK, because it is about sex, not genderYou completely REDACTED all of the examples given. Examples that are COMPLETELY removed from biological sex and are only ASSOCIATED with a given sex because THAT'S WHAT GENDER IS RETARD.
OF COURSE the color pink is ASSOCIATED with the female gender and so sex. BUT THE COLOR PINK IS NOT INHERENT IN ANY WAY TO THE FEMALE SEX. IT IS ONLY ASSOCIATED. And so, if a transwomen wears pink to appear more feminine, she is changing her GENDER and attempting to come across as someone of the female GENDER. NOT SEX, WHICH IS BIOLOGICAL.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! I win again.
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I'm sorry for what you're going through OP but this thread has devolved to genuine groomer trannies arguing and shitflinging with their retarded lingo so I'm afraid it has to go down, much love
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>>59382
>You completely REDACTED all of the examples given.All I did was shorten your sentence lol, none of the specifics were relevant to what I was saying, just that they change themselves to, as you put it so elegantly, "fit the opposite sex" I did not ever imply or argue anything you specifically mentioned was biological. I pointed your wording out as a segway into the argument I wanted to make, not as the argument itself. This is important, because it disproves the claim that I "misinterpreted" your argument, the rest of my argument, in fact, was explaining how they only change these things because it as close as they can get to changing their sex, and to point out that they *also* change things that have nothing to do with gender whatsoever, most notably that HRT is by far the most talked about form of "gender" "transition", which contradicts your claim. See below.
<I suppose you would *also* have to ignore just how many troons either are or wish to be on hormones. Which, guess what, has nothing to do with gender, and is entirely sex-related. But sure, just ignore nearly every single troon ever raving about their estrogen, how heckin validating it is, how much they need it/want to be on it, how they wish they got on it sooner, homemade troonshine, the insane amount of memes, encouraging others to get onto it ect⦠Hell, even the pooner in this thread mentioned it several times!
>Examples that are COMPLETELY removed from biological sex and are only ASSOCIATED with a given sex because THAT'S WHAT GENDER IS RETARD.Not relevant. I never said otherwise. But yes, gender could be defined as "associated with a given sex". People who want to imitate the opposite sex further this goal by imitating the gender as well, because gender is directly related to and in a lot of cases, a part of sex.
>OF COURSE the color pink is ASSOCIATED with the female gender and so sex. BUT THE COLOR PINK IS NOT INHERENT IN ANY WAY TO THE FEMALE SEX. IT IS ONLY ASSOCIATED. Yes, it is associated with the female sex. Which is why a transgender may choose to wear pink in an attempt to blend in with those of the opposite sex.
>And so, if a transwomen wears pink to appear more feminine, she is changing her GENDER and attempting to come across as someone of the female GENDER. NOT SEX, WHICH IS BIOLOGICAL.He* chooses to pursue his (impossible) goal of becoming a member of the opposite sex via imitating the behaviors of the opposite sex and doing things associated with said sex. He then shoots up the DIY estrogen he brewed in his bathtub in an attempt to change his biology as well, then he spends 4 hours voice training to better imitate a womans voice, which has nothing to do with "gender".
>BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! I win again.soy
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>>59398keyed JoJo's reference but people might mistake you for the JoJo avatarfag with the blogpost thread
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forgot to sage, sorry OP much love I hope you get through this
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>forgot to sage, sorry OP much love I hope you get through this
its alright. thanks for the empathy, and for taking it down. idk why it went so raisin.
lesson learned: don't talk about gender dysphoria in ANY space. you WILL have groomers groom. Ill just go to therapy where I'll be told to blast hrt Redditly. Take care.
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>>59399Falseflagging is funny so that's fine but I guess I'll put a disclaimer or whatever if I post more.
>>59398Just realized that I forgot to respond to the first part because I was having too much fun responding to the actual argument.
>Yes. Because every "point" was based on the idea that the thesis statement was true. It was not, so all that is needed is to disprove the thesis statement.Except it was true and you couldn't disprove it. Your "Green Sky" example is basically just saying
>"What if what you said was blatantly untrue?" It wasn't. It's true that if you could "disprove" the "thesis statement" you wouldn't have to bother responding to anything else. But you couldn't, just like you wouldn't have been able to disprove any of the extended reasoning behind my "thesis statement" either.
>>59403This is something that you have to fix yourself at the end of the day, even if what other people have to say may help you do that. And therapy is gay.
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>>59405well I suppose you can be jojo90'sanimationfag, though it doesn't really have the same ring to it
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>>58754You're right i will rape from now on.
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>>59110im not conservative. im a socialist okay?
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>>59151>Lol how you actually think that telling children to kill themselves is just as bad as⦠letting a kid deviate even a little bit from traditional gender roles </3if it was deviation from traditional gender roles then they wouldnt have to declare themselves as part of the opposite sex. they would just be feminine men or masculine women, which is fine. no reason to aspire to something impossible and thus becoming a freak abomination in the process
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>>59685Deviating from gender roles is also disgusting doe
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>>59695it really depends. i would love to hear your thoughts on this, as gender roles are very dynamic and prone to change throughout history. really there is no "trad" gender role as everything has at one point in history been completely different and dependant on culture and class. the 20000bc noble minoan trad woman is not the same as the 19th century russian serf trad woman
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>>59693what does this mean
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>>59696It hasn't been always different around 99% of all historical societies preached the stereotypical gender roles everyone thinks of when thinking about gender roles. Gender roles can easily be explained biologically through Estogen and Testosterone
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>>58741 (OP)dude just transition
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>>59701For most of human existence, gender roles were almost entirely absent. There was no division of labor between feminine and masculine roles and women hunted just as much as men gathered. These things were not useful to society, so they did not exist. Gender roles are a much later human invention. Of course many are similar because they serve the same function. That doesn't make them any more "biological" or inherent. The same goes for hierarchies actually.
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>>58741 (OP)jesus does help but also get a therapist
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>>59398>as you put it so elegantly, "fit the opposite sex" Putting something COMPLETLEY made up in quotes. Ctrl+f fit the opposite sex. Results? 1. COMPLETE SCHIZOPHRENIA. Who the fuck told you I said that? The voices in your head? Arguing with illusions. Just pathetic. Bring me another toy. I think I broke this one.
>>59405>It's true that if you could "disprove" the "thesis statement" you wouldn't have to bother responding to anything elseI accept your concession. BOOOOOOM. How embarrassing. Writing that giant essay just to say I'm right.
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>>59398>He* chooses to pursue his (impossible) goal of becoming a member of the opposite sex via imitating the behaviors of the opposite sex and doing things associated with said sex. He then shoots up the DIY estrogen he brewed in his bathtub in an attempt to change his biology as well, then he spends 4 hours voice training to better imitate a womans voice, which has nothing to do with "gender".This person does not know how to argue. He spews paragraphs and paragraphs, but they are all empty dogma. Nothing backing them. Just statements of blind belief with nothing else. You say that transwomen try to change their sex…. because they just do ok! Ok. Lets see WHY you think this
>via imitating the behaviors of the opposite sex and doing things associated with said sexBehaviors which are rooted in GENDER. Things that are associated with said sex because of manmade GENDER roles. There is nothing biological about wearing pink or walking "girly". In this sentence you have only repeated your initial argument, without doing ANYTHING to refute my counterargument. Pointless.
>B-but HRT!!!HRT is again only used to make your features appear more feminine, or your skin softer. They are used to fit into what SOCIETY considers feminine. AKA gender. Why do people think that gender is so hard coded lol. Old men inject themselves with testosterone every single day to affirm their gender, even when it is absolutely natural for a man's testosterone levels to drop lower than some women in old age. Women shave their natural body and facial hair to better fit into female GENDER roles.
It's so bizarre to me that you continue to insist that everything that transgenders do is to change their biological sex. As if dresses or makeup are anything else than what society has recently mandated as "feminine".
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no you dont, all the panic about it just makes you think you are a fag even more but really if you just ignore it it VILL go away
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>>58761ok yeah disregard my other statement your problem is you have probably been born with low testosterone, get some supplements or injections and begin working out at home
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>>59805Fuck off you grooming pedophile tranny. Telling kids to pump themselves full of life altering hormones.
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>>59776>"Putting something COMPLETELY made up in quotes"<The overwhelming majority of GENDER transition is based on changing secondary sexual characteristics, demeanor, and clothing to fit that of the *opposite sex* <--- !!!LOOK HERE!!!Did you ctrl + f "fit the opposite sex" in disbelief that you actually wrote that, and forgot that I shortened your sentence when I quoted it? Unless you're gonna say changing "fit that of the opposite sex" to "fit the opposite sex" was putting words in your mouth. Pic related, I even added some arrows and circles, colored them red just for you. Here, lemme reply to it too, I can hold your hand for this one.
>>59151>>59800>This person does not know how to argue.Correct, unfortunately I only know how to style on fags. You can stop speaking to the nonexistent audience, by the way. Nobody but you and me care about this argument.
>In this sentence you have only repeated your initial argumentAnd it still works, neat right? Think I'll do it again, no need to fix what ain't broken. Hell, why even bother rephrasing it? I can just copy and paste what I already wrote, it's not like you're saying anything new here anyhow.
>Behaviors which are rooted in GENDER. Things that are associated with said sex because of manmade GENDER roles.<People who want to imitate the opposite sex further this goal by imitating the gender as well, because gender is directly related to and in a lot of cases, a part of sex.
>There is nothing biological about wearing pink or walking "girly".And I never said there was. What I have said and will continue to say is that they're strongly associated with women, and transsexuals, who are infatuated with women, choose to imitate these things because there is no real barrier stopping them from doing so like there is with the biological aspects of women. They can then be associated with women by virtue of doing these things. As opposed to, say, imitating the bone structure of women, which isn't possible. Unless you want to count the shitty, expensive bone surgeries that trannies go into debt to afford, it's the next best thing. After imitating the hormonal balances of women via HRT, of course.
>HRT is again only used to make your features appear more feminine, or your skin softer.Injecting yourself with chemicals is *only* used to make yourself appear more like that of the opposite sex?! That's craaaazy… And not related to gender whatsoever, it's entirely physical. How did you even write this and think it was a good argument? I was seriously anticipating something better after 2 days >:^(
>They are used to fit into what SOCIETY considers feminine. AKA gender.Last time I checked, the biologically determined hormone levels of a woman aren't dictated feminine (or "associated with women") by society, they're dictated feminine because that's literally just how their bodies work. Or is the reason nearly every single healthy, young woman has higher estrogen than men because their bodies were societally pressured into producing more estrogen?
>Old men inject themselves with testosterone every single day to affirm their genderThis is for physical, biological benefits, having testosterone is not behavioral, not societal, and not gender. They are not doing this to better fit in with societies standards of men, they're doing it to remedy the physical drawbacks of being low testosterone that they experience after years of having being at a healthy level, not to "affirm" their gender. Shockingly, it turns out that your body isn't just making testosterone for fun. In contrast, transsexuals experience no physical drawbacks that are resolved by HRT. Unless not having moobs is considered one, I suppose. More importantly, these are problems with *age*, not sex, and hormone levels changing is not sex exclusive. Postmenopausal women experience drops in estrogen levels, and they too sometimes remedy this by taking hormones, it's an attempt to restore younger vitality, not to "affirm" their gender lol. How about we stick to healthy young people for our examples, eh?
>It's so bizarre to me that you continue to insist that everything that transgenders do is to change their biological sex.I insist that everything they do is to imitate the female sex. "changing their biological sex" is the desire, imitating the behaviors of the female sex is an attempt at sating that desire, since the desire itself is impossible to fulfill directly. Imitating the gender of the female sex is still imitating the female sex.
>As if dresses or makeup are anything else than what society has recently mandated as "feminine".They wear dresses because women, those of the female sex, which they wish they were a part of, wear them too. It's really that simple.
I should really keep these shorter but I'm having too much fun writing wordswordswords so I'm not going to lololol 41% of transgenders attempt suicide
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slit your throat faggots
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yes jesus helps
>hekin unoreganooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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>>59919That's not how quotes work retard. You can't just abridge something and still put in quotes without any signifiers. Are you illiterate? The most you can do is add [sic] when pointing out errors or changing around pronouns (ex: "he" into "[sic] me").
You can't act surprised when people misinterpret your incoherent rambling. Maybe write like an actual thinking being next time. Can't even bother reading the rest. Probably filled with just as many errors *yawn*
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im a bit new to the thread can someone summarize what is going on right now?
>>58741 (OP)jesus does help. he helped me and he loves you too.
>>60068tsmt correct grammar is /r9k/ culture evendoe we dont capitalize. btfoed by shakespheare
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>>60068>You can't just abridge something and still put in quotes without any signifiers.I just did. Even if technically incorrect to use quotation marks, it's just paraphrasing. The only change was in wording, from "fit that of the" to "fit the". Which is totally harmless since I was poking fun at you for saying "opposite sex" instead of "opposite gender", not anything to do with the prior wording.
>You can't act surprised when people misinterpret your incoherent rambling. Hey, no need to get so defensive, we all make mistakes from time to time. I'm not surprised or even offended that you thought I was putting words in your mouth. It was just funny is all, since you were under the belief that I was making up things about what you argued, and were so excited to have found this that you started making dramatic statements like "Just pathetic. Bring me another toy. I think I broke this one." I'll make sure to keep all of my quotes exactly as written from here on out to make sure you don't get confused, 'kay?
But I do have to point out that this has nothing to do with my "incoherent rambling". If you had taken my words as truthful from the beginning, or just scrolled up instead of using ctrl + f, you wouldn't have gotten it twisted in the first place.
>Can't even bother reading the rest. Probably filled with just as many errors *yawn*The actual point of this post isn't lost on me. You made it because you know that you already argued yourself into a corner, and clawing your way out of that corner isn't really viable anymore. Trying to win an argument about something unrelated and then refusing to engage with any arguments you'd lose was your best bet. Can't say it was a great attempt, but it's an A for effort from me. I would've tried the same thing if I was in your shoes.
>>60074Argument about whether transgenders transition out of a desire to change their sex or gender. Not relevant to the OP.
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>>60089I used too many linebreaks in my last response (
>>59919) and had to remove like half of them, so there's only one before every greentext. But I think it actually looks better that way, I like how this post is formatted less.
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>>60089>I just didAnd you came across as a babbling retard and failed to convey your point. Congrats.
Didn't read btw.
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>>60104>And you came across as a babbling retard and failed to convey your point.The quote was completely irrelevant to my point, the change was completely harmless towards the meaning of the quote, and it does not in any way affect any one of my points :^)
>Didn't read btw.You did, and then you broke into tears and cried into your hands because it was all correct, and I've now beaten you on every level. And before you ask; Yes, it does feel good. Knew I could finish this argument in less than a week.
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>>60108metal gear rising revengeance is fucking keyed I loved that game when I was like 14
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>>60108>The quote was completely Irrelevant to my poInt, the change was completely harmless towards the meanIng of the quote, and It does not In any way affect any one of my poInts :^)And yet I stIll hyperfocused on It and made you waste your tIme makIng a gIant wall of text that nobody was goIng to read. Thanks for readIng every word of my baIt though.
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>>60168>made you waste your tImeTime spent having fun is time spent well. It's good that you're an optimist, though, trying to find the silver lining in losing an argument for 6 days straight.
>Thanks for readIng every word of my baIt though.No problem bud, I'm happy to help.
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Reminder that MGRR guy was right…
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>>58741 (OP)it's probably the result of rape or something, some aberrant part of your personality that got fucked up
get into esoteric stuff maybe, make way into your own mind, you might find out what the fuck to do
or suck dick man, honestly, it's not the natural thing to do I guess, but no one deserves to be miserable or be hated for being human
don't let the world destroy you, whatever you do, make a choice
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can mods ban the groomer nigger already?i saw his typing style inn3 posts already and xhe clearly comes from bluesky o algo
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Lucky.
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>>58751Culture doesn't come from some vaccum. Is top down from elites and to a deeper extent a product of people's own behaviors caused by genetics. Culture didn't make it so people get mogged, genetics do. Elits wearing trashy shit didn't come from culture, it became culture when it was recognized as a status symbol through wealth and exlusive access. OP doesn't need to redefine masculinity, they need to either get together with somebody that makes them feel understood (make me feel seen as normies put it, comfortable around in short) or have a bout of existentialism (it removed my own obsession about looks and body).
>>58741 (OP)I can't begin to imagine what mental screw up causes that urge, but I will tell you this. All we know and experince, right here, right now. Could be everything we will ever do till tomorrow. As you could die and be forgotten forever any second. I tried to seek out God personally, but it did not remove my fear of death. Yet I am grateful that I still dread it, as it makes me way more comfortable with everything else in my life. All those years of self pity and resentment just washed away by the sheer gratitude that I still exist, or even got to do so even if it ends soon. You aren't happy with yourself, for reasons that make sense to you, just ask yourself, would your rather not have existed at all to avoid this disphoria, or had lived the ideal life in your head only to never be aware of it after you die? I have done a lot of dumb things, and felt rather bad over it for years, yet the prospect of not even recalling a single thing of it, seems more scary than coming to terms with what I did or had to feel.
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>id never troon out. I'll kill myself before that.
>
>I just dont think chuds here actually know what's it like feeling and living like with a mental illness this. every mannerism, word I say, way I stand, smile, anything I do makes me feel like a girl. imagine always feeling like a chair, and society telling you, "its okay to feel like a chair, you are a chair, and people HAVE to see you as a chair, you're a chair, okay? even though you're a table we'll just add some grotesque version of a back holder to affirm your chairness." it doesn't help I'm fucking 5'2 with huge fucking lips and eyes. Creepy old men and other faggots hitting on me hitting doesn't help. I just want to fucking be normal. I wanna feel like the man I am. I wanna laugh over beers with some buddies or do all the unspoken male shit.
>
>Does Jesus really help?
<Unoriginal content! You have been muted for 4 seconds.
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>>59003>i am self aware enough to admit i'm grooming but it's ok because i am self aware about ithonestly kys
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>>58741 (OP)>>58741 (OP) (OP)
I thought about trooning out when I was 13 after being on cord too much after a month i started hating all troons and had the urge to brutally murder them.
Just stop gooning and injekt yourself with some T ou algo
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>>58741 (OP)Don't Troon out don't try on women's clothes look in the mirror and say you are a male then stare at your shoulders, your stubble/beard then your nose
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>>59319Kek get off reddit and xitter because you will get lulled into becoming a turbo faggot
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turbo poofart bayt fred
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Faygurt neeh