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Alot of people say that the remake is superior and maybe in production value it is but i dont think its better for arcueids route at least the prologue was quite nice i preferred the original since alot was left the imagination but both of them worked well the remake did the hospital scene alot better i still think the manga version stands superior but everything including the talk with aoko the remake did perfectly but after that it went downhill the change in time period i dont understand what the point of it was but nasu really loves to keep mentioning how there is the internet and cell phones and how great it is to be connected with everyone its so convenient yada yada yada its annoying meandering and isn’t really used at all for the story there were quite a few nice scenes added building the relationship between akiha and shiki which i liked but boom it completely gets blown off by annoying new characters that do not fit tsukihime whatsoever annoying tone shifts are awful but some additions to the cast feel totally put of place i personally also didnt like vlov all that much hes not all to interesting to me and his fight while amazing ost and great visuals didnt capture me as much as neros fight did in the original i didnt feel close to the same hype also there was alot of meandering during the fight where i thought they could cut it shorter also arcueid and shikis relationship i still adore these two but a little bit of the magic was left behind in the original it didnt have the same charm for me shikis inner monologue also became boring even tho it was my favorite part of the original i knew for both vns what would happen to arcueid once he met her since i got spoiled but really the og just did it better it felt much more intense to me and i was fully focused on it maybe its just a translation issue and the wording doesn’t feel the same tho i did like alot of the extra additional scenes they gave arcueid to deepen their relationship but for alot of the route i would think back and get enjoyment from what reminded me of the original it was such a unique and great experience the remake just didn’t give me the same one im not sure why but ill read the ciel route next and see how i will feel
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>>126194too add on the art its really a chewed out topic but heres my take i do not mind the redesign it helps me view this as a different vn instead of constantly making comparisons the art itself is wonderful eye candy even for me but the issue of the same faces is actually quite bothersome characters can look really silly or ugly trying to make expressions they cant and for hisui specifically she really lacks her unique charm of expressions one thing og tsukihime did wonderfully was give you a sprite change that could instantly make you lock in or feel something very strongly the emotions of the characters were very visible ig thats what people mean by “soul” and yea it does lack in the remake and often i feel like they just can never be the character i fell in love with
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>>126194I find it incredibly ridiculous how often people argue that the remake is superior to the original. The only thing the remake has over the original is fight scenes and visuals, and even then the visual aspect is controversial because of the Takeuchi sameface you mentioned. Also Ciel's redesign sucks. She has the same haircut at every other Type-Moon heroine now
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>>126203does tsukihime need these fight scenes tho? the original felt a bit smaller shiki was just stepping foot into the horrors now you have vlov doing unimaginable crazy things but shiki falls flat as a character due to how it doesn’t drive him as crazy witnessing and living through all these things i felt he was far more relatable and his inner monologue was much better in the original
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>>126211I agree they're definitely unnecessary but I meant in terms of quality and writing (just relating to that literally in the battle) they're better.
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you guys recommend me the og or the remake?
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>>126215go with og for sure
more accessible and has better character design and writing
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is it possible to read kagetsu tohya on silicon macs?
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>>126203Discounting the far side routes and what they add to the story and Shiki's character.
Other than the h-scenes, the Remake's near side routes are better in almost every aspect compared to the OG, where both routes are almost exactly the same, worse pacing, objectivelly a worse mid-story antagonist, considering Nero is a literal non-character.
>>126211>felt he was far more relatableShiki is not meant to be relatable, it's emphasized many times in the OG VN by SHIKI, Arc and Sacchin that he's a fundamentally inhuman killer in nature, a natural doll, the parallel of Kohaku, who is just pretending to be one.
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>>126355>Shiki is not meant to be relatable, it's emphasized many times in the OG VN by SHIKI, Arc and Sacchin that he's a fundamentally inhuman killer in nature, a natural doll, the parallel of Kohaku, who is just pretending to be one.Shikis character is about not letting his nature define him he cannot kill thats not the person tohno shiki is much rather he inspires the people around him with his honest nature thats still upheld in the remake aswell what i meant by relatable is that his inner monologue was one i could far better understand he felt more like an actual person that cares about everything around him aswell as having struggles whilst remake shiki doesn’t think at all besides “oh this is crazy but i wanna help everyone out” he doesn’t feel as genuine to me
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>>126355>Shiki is not meant to be relatablethey failed at that then bc i relate to him
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>>126355>the Remake's near side routes are better in almost every aspect compared to the OG, where both routes are almost exactly the same, worse pacing, objectivelly a worse mid-story antagonist, considering Nero is a literal non-character.The routes only feel mostly the same if you follow the exact same path you went on your first time during Arc route except instead you choose Ciel in like 3 dialog options. The intention of the developer was for you to choose all the options you hadn't chosen last time, which is why you have the possibility of meeting Ciel earlier in the day as opposed to later in the hallway. Worse pacing is incredibly subjective, and in that regard I really feel like the remake progresses through things too fast. Nrvnqsr Chaos isn't supposed to be a deep character, he is supposed to be a brutal reality check for Shiki. He is literally just an incarnated evil, this isn't some hidden thing to excuse little-to-no character writing, they say this multiple times in the VN. He has "objectively" worse writing because he doesn't serve the same purpose as Vlov does besides the generic mid-story antagonist label
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>>126362I don't know where you've got the fact that his inner struggles aren't portrayed in the remake, I'd argue they're portrayed even more lol, the Remake emphasizes and explores more what's already been alluded to in RDG and the coffee scene, in which that Shiki is fundamentally broken, that's why it's absurd that you say he's relatable, like, did you even read the VN?
He is not a genuine person, that too, don't know where you got that from, he's a hypocrite, if you didn't feel like he's genuine, that's because it's the point, he's not even honest with himself, he directly gets reprimanded for being a hypocrite in the very monologues you're talking about, that the "Tohno Shiki" who cannot kill is just a facade, that's written in both the original and the remake.
He wants to be kind to be everyone, he doesn't make a distinction between anyone, to the point where it becomes cold and not genuine, Akiha tells him that in the original VN, because that's what he "thinks" is right, that's what someone told him long ago, do what you think is right, killing is wrong, that's is right, he doesn't know why killing is wrong, "What is wrong with that exactly", that's what he said, that's what he questioned, his desire to become not "out of tune", in a way, that's genuine.
Shiki, verbatim says that his morals and values that he borrowed, while beautiful, aren't even sincere and he doesn't believe in them.
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>>126364>i relate to himYou relate to an inbred rapist who fucks kids?
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>>126430thats aryan, shemmycuck
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>>126428>You can't relate or sympathize with any aspect of anybody who has ever had a controversial thought EVER.Saying Shiki's only character trait is his broken sense of morality is just disingenuous. The entire point of the story is that through his struggles Shiki learns the value of his own life and learns how to separate himself from his affinity for killing. The person you're describing is virtually just Nanaya Shiki, which is only one aspect of him.
I'm not even arguing between remake or OG btw I just think that pretending Shiki is only a cold-blooded, godless killer and nothing more is deliberate misinterpretation of his character. The story is literally about him learning to feel
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>>126428He struggles yes but i feel it comes off as very unnatural i personally like how the remake portrayed his detachment of himself once he started seeing the lines its great but still after that he was able to live a decent life one he tried his best to be honest in you can be a genuine person aswell as a hypocrite thats human but as another person stated im talking about tohno shiki not only nanaya
I still think remake shiki tries to be genuine there are quite a few scenes where he refrains from telling direct lies arcueid mentions that he seems like a person who cant lie and in his inner monologue he also states that he cant tell himself lies that he cant even fool himself with what i mean is his situation is beyond insane yet it doesn’t seem to truly effect his character the way it should that feels unnatural specifically about early ciel route or just vlov in general
He doesn’t believe in them? Then what about all of eclipses did you just skip that
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>>126472>>126449Can I ask you a question, who do you think Nanaya Shiki is?
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>>126475i think the question should rather be who tohno shiki is what differentiates him from “nanaya shiki” is that his memories were taken from him, that is basically the “erasure” of nanaya shiki but nanaya still exists within shiki as shown in ciels route they are part of eachother yet separate during shikis inversion impulse he has times he talks to himself i would say that is nanaya resurfacing but there is also a difference between the nanaya blood and the person shiki was before the accident I haven’t read kagetsu thoya yet so my impression of this could be wrong
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>>126475Nanaya Shiki is an aspect of Shiki, but you portray him as if that is the ONLY aspect of him. I wasn't referring to Shiki by his original name, I was referring to the Nanaya Shiki that is formed by his fear of his own subconscious in Kagetsu Tohya. While it is undeniable that Nanaya is an inseparable part of him, to say that is the only part of him and his sole defining character is disingenuous. The entire point is that he learned to balance the self he lives through (Tohno) and his foundation (Nanaya), and learns to live and feel for the first time from it.
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>>126477>but you portray him as if that is the ONLY aspect of himWhy are you referring to KT Nanaya who's directly stated by Shiki to not be the real Nanaya.
Nanaya Shiki is not sadistic, nor is he a murderous urge, he himself says killing is wrong, and the world is messed up for allowing it.
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>>126479KT Nanaya isn't consistent in his logic, he is just a manifestation of Shiki's fear of his own subconscious. He also later tells Shiki that he's a natural-born killer and shouldn't fear killing after Shiki fears that he'll become an indiscriminate murderer if he acknowledges urges. My point is that you paint this picture of Shiki being a solely one-dimensional character designed to have zero relatable qualities when there's much more to him than that
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>>126482>KT Nanaya isn't consistent in his logicI feel like there's been some confusion.
>he himself says killing is wrong, and the world is messed up for allowing it.KT Nanaya isn't the one that said that, the real Nanaya did.
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I know nothing about this series can someone tell me what its about?
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>>126562A boy named Shiki Tohno nearly dies. After he wakes up he gets the power to see the "death" of everything (he can basically just see the lines of which things are most weak, and will break into pieces when cut through those lines) and is given special glasses to hide these lines from a mage. The caveat is that he now has chronic anemia. This injury severely disappoints his father and as such he is banished from their manor and sent to live with his relatives indefinitely. He lives a normal life from then on until the age of 17 where he is called back to his house after his younger sister informs him of the death of his father. On the way there, he meets a vampire named Arcueid. I won't tell you anymore because there's a big reveal past that point but thats a basic synopsis of the VN's intro
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>>126564corny nigga just tell him it's twilight but with the genders reversed
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>>126565how about you kill yourself you retarded nigger also that isnt even accurate
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>>126566yes it is accurate dumb midwit what are you talking about 😭
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>>126562what the other person said is the basic intro if you wanna be more sold on it i think its a very life affirming vn and has alot of amazing characters which have quite their own struggles may even be deemed irredeemable but you can still come to love them specifically for the far side routes there is also a remake which is half the story fighting game spin offs u might have heard of them they are called melty blood and its a big inspiration for ryukishi umineko both tried to replicate the art style aswell as taking inspiration from the story and characters and there is alot of references in higurashi it also has a manga which differs quite a bit from the vn but is really good in its own right you can read the original for free there is a web version just look up tsukihime web i recommend using the tsuki bako ost its the best one i also recommend looking up a choice guide and do the routes in order
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>>126587All of these have been on this board before you even knew what the sharty was xitter immigrant
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>>126588Her true ending or her good ending? I don't like how she basically gets cucked by Arcueid in her own good ending
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>>126588ciel is such a wonderful character man im so happy with how much more we get to learn about her past in the remake im not finished with her route yet but ciel easily one if not the best characters in tsukihime
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Even though i dont know much other than what you guys said in this thread i think im going to make my very own Tsukihime game. Wish me luck!
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Satsuki needs her route already.
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>>126605nyaa dot si or sukebei nyaa for the adult ones
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>>126606she never will only remake satsuki might get a route one day but the real satsuki has been totally abandoned her sprites her concept art her original character idea its all a thing of the past that will never lead to anything all the remake interpretations of the characters are different characters to a big extent
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>>126624she was too gemmy for nasu to write a proper route for and shiki didnt deserve her anyway.
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imma be honest, the mini skirt, the leggings, and the boots turn me on but the original design was more iconic to me.
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>>126635At least we got the date outfit in remake to make up for it (somewhat). But the skirt she had in the original was better. I thought it made her look more elegant and also way hotter, personally
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>>126635I think both designs are good and since remake arc overall feels quite different from original arc i think its good they gave her a new design i think it fits her a new personality better
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Ciel is the only foid to ever actually look good with tattoos
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what your guys favorite dynamic in tsukihime? i think there are so many great ones like beyond just romance with shiki like kohaku and hisui are amazing or SHIKI and shiki or roa and arcueid i feel the remake kinda missed alot of potential with arcueids route i wish we got to see her interact with more characters or find out more about her past tho it may feel straight forward ciel got alot more background layed out for her roa aswell i wonder why arcueid didnt get that
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arceuid and ciel are such SISAs
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Sacchin chan was just lonely
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>>126713well melty is set after the satsuki route
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>>126717She technically did get her route through melty blood and her manga.
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>>126720would have been nice if nasu actually wrote a fully fledged route her concept art was so cute i wish i could have gotten to see those sprites
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>>126721i want to see the satsuki concept art
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>>126725There is a whole segment in tsukihime plus disk about satsuki it shows her concept art and talks a bit about her route it also has a nice side story included
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>>126742This isnt a touhou thread
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>>126743what do you mean?
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>>126743nasu himself said he couldnt make a good enough route for sacchin chan in the bonus disc commentary. Best we got was her route in all the melty blood games except type lumina.
Very unlikely Nasu will ever finish the "remake" series. Doesnt take 20+ years to remake a VN.
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>>126742I really hope that the remake version will stick to Nasu's original vision for Sacchin's route, though I really doubt that'll be the case.
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>>126750Tsuki re is more fate than tsukihime anyway
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>>126752Its really dumb how the remake reached half life 3 levels of hype and didn't even have all the routes the original had on release. Its a glorified 100h powerpoint presentation with fancy pictures and a CYOA routes. Not the nearly the same effort as remaking it into a proper JRPG. FGO has completely destroyed the quality of future nasuverse entries.
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gotta remember it was originally a sex game.
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>>126761didnt nasu say he felt uncomfortable writing those scenes because he had no confidence in him he tried to make most of them relevant or emotionally important but its glaring with akiha how tropy he got just so it would sell which almost diminishes the dynamic between shiki and akiha or ciel her route was the most rushed and her hscene shows the reasoning behind it was so stupid its obvious he just had to somehow bring it in there somehow
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>>126762gooners don't think they jsut goon, luckily nasu didn't give a fuck and made quality shit
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>>126763I really liked tsukihime hscenes ngl
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>>126762those scenes got memed by the entire fandom. The most depressing soundtrack ever for an hscene to where it was hilarious.
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>>126766the ost is very nice and fits well i think the hscenes are alot more about the bond between two characters its about the beauty of their relationship and thats how they get closer nasu just overdid it at times
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>>126767Ciel's was so fucking ridiculous from the get-go
Shiki got possessed by Roa and somehow that gave him a boner, and the only way to get rid of it was by having sex with Ciel
I don't mine h-scenes at all I actually quite like them but that shit was just so funny
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>>126773I think im underrating kohaku ill put hers above akiha its the best hscene technically when it comes to serving a themematic purpose
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>>126773why is she carrying all that fgo
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>>126768It was still funny how badly written they were. They were completely optional tho. Would be nice to see the story get adapted into a JRPG at some point.
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>>126823Isn't Sacchin-chan redundant? I thought Sacchin was just the nickname given to her from a contraction of Satsuki-chan, so its like calling her Satsuki-chan-chan
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>>125822 (OP)I read Tsukihime in 2020 and found it really funny and exciting when the remake was revealed just a year later. My feelings regarding the original on my first read were very simple ones like gushing over how cool the edginess of the designs, CGs, powers etc were, and feeling verh sad over Kohaku, at the time I didn't care about it so much but there was something so deeply bewitching about that novel that I couldn't understand until years of introspection and multiple reads, nowadays I think I have a good grasp on my feelings to express myself better but before that, let's shortly talk about my horrible remake experience. I'll be plain honest with you guys, I do believe my experience was tainted by the fact I've read it through a youtube video, so whether or not I end up sounding retarded will probably be because of that, anyways, I got up to the part where they defeat Vlov in Arcueid's route after that I got very lazy and left it on hold since what, 3-4 years already? And honestly, I don't think I plan on coming back soon, ESPECIALLY after re-reading the original and comparing it to what I had seen in the remake, here's why:
The original Tsukihime is truly one of those works that embody the spirit of amateurism and also the phrase, "limitation breeds innovation". I'm not trying to gaslight anyone into believing Tsukihime is some super complex required reading for everyone but it is certainly quite special, let me dissect it a bit.
>Sprites and Designsthey're outright hilarious at times with how long their necks and fingers can be but the expressions are incredibly cute, you can't help but wish to use some as a reaction image. The clothes they wear are very plain and don't stand out at all, and it works perfectly for the horror urban fantasy setting where shit goes south very quick. Takeuchi was genuinely amazing at creating these simple but effective designs, each more iconic than the other. A interesting phenomenon that happens is when Melty Blood is seen by the fighting game community, it always causes tons of people to mock it and call it things like "dripless" and boring, which is fine, people will always meme what they can't internalize after all and those characters mean nothing to them, but me and many others find it a very unique and bold approach for a genre where first impressions rule, it forces people to actually check out what those beautiful 2D sprites look in motion and how full of personality they are.
>Music, Backgrounds, Atmosphere10 SONGSTEN FUCKING SONGSIt can't be stressed enough how horrible this is for a
fifty hour visual novel with no voice acting. It's one of the major points I use to remind myself to not glaze the original too much, 2 months ago I got one of my close friends to read it, since he stopped being a massive normalfag somehow, and he liked the story a lot and thought I was being a little too harsh on things, mostly on the soundtrack and story as he actually liked them a lot, I laughed at it because he's right, the OST is actually phenomenal, I bet the Tracks 01, 02 and 09 don't seem as mind breaking to those with trained ears and refined taste, but they become magical when coupled with this story. The backgrounds are literally just low quality photos of real places with some filter attached, so how the hell are they so good!? In my first read, I genuinely couldn't tell why I felt such a way, you see, I didn't particularly care about immersion and atmosphere for the longest time, most likely because of my low attention span, I simply couldn't bring myself to become present, to let the fucking movie play out, and yet, Tsukihime did it
>insert clip of iddubz saying he learnt empathy at 30 years of age Through all of it's cheap and limited glory, they created such an atmosphere that brings an insurmountable level of nostalgia for a place I've never nor will ever live in, it's so romantic and fleeting, perfectly encapsulates the themes of the story and way of life of Tohno Shiki. It's impressive they somehow elevated this atmosphere and music even more in Kagetsu Tohya. Now Fate, while still carrying that essence, unfortunately didn't hit as hard, good thing they compensated with something that worked even better for that work in specifically.
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>>127144>Story and CharactersThroughout this bible I've been writing, I've been keeping things rather subjective with some sprinkles of objectivity to make it more reasonable, but I find it hard to keep this tone consistent when talking about the narrative and drama itself, as I believe those deserve the amount of dedication and study found in things like the medical field to discuss over in order to not sound like a complete retard. Being passionate is fine, hell, even recommended, but on places like these our words are capable of distorting meanings and influencing others one way or another, therefore I'll refrain from voicing my pseud-midwit-reddit views on the characters and story out of respect for everyone, as just a few weeks ago I was discovering more about the characters Ciel and Roa, two people characters I took for granted and found very boring at first, but since this is also a lot of words to say "I'm too stupid for that" I'll just say I love all of the cast (except Akiha) and drop this cool detail I learned 2 years ago that
Shiki sliced Arcueid the same exact number of times Roa had reincarnated before the events of Tsukihime.>REMAKENow… man, I've been writing this post for so long and remembering so much of what I liked about this series that I don't even want to be overly negative about it anymore, if you read my post you can tell that a good chunk of the things I praised the OG for is either diminished or no longer present in the remake, the atmosphere is different, it's more akin to Fate, especially when they get to the scenes that happen at night. It's certainly beautiful don't get me wrong, but my issue is that it's no longer unique to this work, and you'll see this problem come up countless times when comparing the remake and the OG, the designs are too samey, the fight scenes which once used to feel somewhat grounded and believable, in the sense of them being a secret to the public, are now full-blown servant fights, MODERN servant fights where everyone is some demigod with billion mana that blows everything up. Are they impressive? Certainly! Did I get hyped when Shiki ran over all those rocks? Obviously. But on retrospect it all just feels so wrong, It's as if it doesn't want to be Tsukihime anymore, it uses the methods and formulas that worked for Fate and tries to apply it here, Nasu straight up admitted that the changes to Ciel's design and story (Yes, I got spoiled and did NOT enjoy what I saw and heard but I can't judge it yet since I haven't read it myself, I've heard people say it ruined her character but I won't go there.) were all done to make her more popular, which makes me think, can't this be applied for a majority of the remake? The stuff that was kept the same was definitely upgraded to the point of perfection like the 17 cuts scene, but the ones that weren't all feel artificial and desperate for wide-appeal. When reading the OG Tsukihime you can tell that the people behind it had relatively niche things like Vampire Hunter D, Black Lagoon and Hellsing as inspirations, but when I look at the remake it just feels like it's trying to be another massive success, it wants to be the next Fate, it wants to be the next Evangelion, I look at these spectacular sequences filled with a budget 90% of VNs couldn't dream of with my mouth open soying out but the moment it's over I just noticed I saw a multi billion dollar company itching for an ufotable movie that will sell them many dolls of Arcueid and Ciel gacha rolls. Maybe I'm too cynical and jaded due to how horrible art has gotten recently but this remake does not seem to become the exception that changes my perception towards art the same way the original did all those years ago.
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>>127145>the fight scenes which once used to feel somewhat grounded and believable, in the sense of them being a secret to the public, are now full-blown servant fightsI feel exactly the same with you on this, especially with the "secret to the public" part. The original Tsukihime took place in a mid-sized Japanese town where people were scared to go out at night due to the recent murders, so it makes total sense that people would be oblivious to what is actually going on. Tsuki;Re takes place in fucking Tokyo and literally has what are essentially servant fights in the middle of highly urban areas. I liked a lot of the changes they made in the remake, but I totally agree with you that Type-Moon just wanted Tsukihime to become their new Fate.
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>>126637I remember there's a chapter in either the Take-moon (carnival phantasm) or some Tsukihime collab/fan thing manga that had it's main bit being that Arcueid really dislikes short skirts. It was so weird reading it considering what happened with her design in the remake.
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>>127144Im reading the remake right now the arcueid route is a very step down to the original vlovs fight is pretty bad and i could criticize it easily but i do still think the remake is worth reading for ciels route but you have to do one thing not see it as a remake but as its own alternative story and the characters to me are also very different i like that they have redesign because it helps me differentiate them from the original characters if you can do that you can find some appreciation in the remake but to me it will never come close to the original its still nice in its own way
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>>127150>but you have to do one thing not see it as a remake but as its own alternative storyYeah but that's my real issue with it, I wanted OG Tsukihime with: Voice acting, more music, longer ciel route, more characterization for Hisui, a Yumizuka route and something that actually connected the original with Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood instead of this weird what if/spin off/alternative universe shit they made. Not a different story that's more interested in kepornng up with the increasingly retarded power levels of Fate, seriously, have you seen how fucking busted Remake Ciel is? She used to be just a Wolverine nun with 2 big buns that sometimes picked up a huge gun that could fire the light of God to obliterate 2 guys at best (at least that's how big that beam looks in melty blood), In the remake she's one of the strongest people
IN THE UNIVERSE SHE CAN BEAT
90% OF SERVANTS now. Why nasu, why?
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>>127151>OG Tsukihime with: Voice acting, more music, longer ciel route, more characterization for Hisui, a Yumizuka route and something that actually connected the original with Kagetsu Tohya and Melty BloodThis is definitely what Nasu had in mind when he first announced the Tsukihime remake in 2008. I imagine after FGO began pulling in profits the entire thing was changed to the more Fate-like version we got 13 years later.
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>>127114>Sacchin-chanIt was a nice nickname her friends gave her. Always interpreted it as a version of "saccharine" to mean how sweet she is. Probably some engrish thing the japanese made up.
>>127151I liked how well nasu built up the vampires being immortal dangers lurking far from civilization but the anime powerscaling of melty blood and the remake really undermined it with more and more fate elements as it went on.
>Fate Powerscaling in Melty BloodStuff like the neco arc village is fine, but we really didn't need archetype:earth and tying vampires into the "will of the planet" or whatever autistic Fate shit nasu was cooking at the time. He even threw clocktower into the plot with Sion being a vampire magus and heir of whatever glowie magi organization she was a part of. When the church and magi would have purged her immediately and never allowed her to return anyway after she was turned into a vampire. Ancestors were better left as an unknowable ancient horror and leaving "Princess Arc" for the manga ending and adding it as the official end of Arc's route where shiki tracks her down some years later with the help of some magi like Aoko or Touko.
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>>127144Tsukihime sprites are so amazing limited with art music and voice acting a simple sprite change can absolutely set the tone or change your whole mood or feeling about a character its such a unique experience and something special that stood out to me something the remake fails to accomplish
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>>127144Its nice that in the web version you can switch between the soundtracks tho its very clear tsuki bako is the definitive version some of the original are amazing too ever after just has dogshit or makes amazing songs slightly worse but yes more variety in ost would be nice i personally sometimes just put something from the remake on like for the nero fight but i think it does use the soundeffects to its benefit like for the one scene in hisuis route where they have the clock ticking and the text would match the clicking or how the text speed in ciels route stutterd when she became flustered there is alot of heart put into tsukihime
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>>127144the backgrounds always stood out to me it goves tsukihime such a unique atmosphere my friend also said it made him feel very nostalgic whilst people shit on the mirror moon translation their writing style still is something to be appreciated in how it let the story feel they way things were phrased it all felt very beautiful to me and hit closer to heart in comparison to the official tl for the remake which sucks in alot of ways also having no sama nii-san and whatever i feel it will be funny how they handle nee-san and sister then for hisuis route since it was a hint
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>>127145Never diss the goat akiha again shes such an amazing character what??
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>>127145I havent read fate and i always intend to view the remake as its own thing but it can definitely be criticized at how much of a tone shift it is hell the scene that i liked alot in the remake was one that was unique to its own not a shittier version of an og scene that had the characters feel real like humans playing on of the og songs i think its either emotional 1 or 2 and man it actually did something it hit close to my heart again where i was able to see a similar struggle i faced reflected but it its own way and i think it desperately lacks these moments stays too much on wanting to be popular instead of having intimate moments between characters at times im not sure i can properly articulate what i mean but i think this whole thread has critized the remake enough already
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>>127145a positive thing about the remake that i want to mention is that the romantic relationship between shiki and ciel feels alot more real that ciel truly means alot to shiki comes of much better i like how it explores more of her backstory that his feelings towards her stem from many moments with her and that they can see parts of eachother in eachother aswell as recognize and admire their differences which inspires them to change how their differing views change the perspective of the other
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>>127148Hisui is my second fav! Funfact I made that gif
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>>127151I think the good thing for me is i knew of the existence of the remake and that it highly differentiated from the original and lowkey i really disliked that it existed when i started reading because tsukihime felt so unique that i thought the remake would only ruin it then i saw more of the art and felt it didn’t fit the characters at all later on yea there was alot of missed potential in tsukihime satsuki especially for me and i must admit roa aswell deserved alot more ciel is a fantastic character and i loved her route but i obviously wished it wasn’t so rushed with much reused scenes but it was often stated that ciel had alot of talent thats why roa even incarnate in her in the remake so far ive read shes pretty hardcore overpowered it makes her quite the different character in how og ciel still felt fragile in the emotional sense but i think thats fine remake ciel is still a great character on her own to me i haven’t read fate and i dont have the best grasp on the power system and im not finished with the remake but i hope they dont overdo it with her i got a tiny bit spoiled and i quite dislike how they put her above arcueid they are making arcueid feel insanely weak throughout the remake so far compared to what she actually has of power
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>>127159>tying vampires into the "will of the planet"that was already present in og tsukihime
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>>127390I still have to finish the manga and kagetsu tohya and remake im slacking quite a bit i also haven’t finished og melty story mode neither arcade mode for actress again
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>>127398I cant beat that dumbass Giant Akiha boss in OG Melty
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>>127398Doesn't seem to be much of a difference between actress again and the rest of the melty blood re releases. Except for Type Lumina being a soft reboot for some reason.
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Only after a thrembillion years after FGO ends will nasu finish the tsukihime remake.
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>>127435No. It cast anime into a thrembillion year dark age of brimstone.
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>>126530i cant remember a single important thing she did im ngl
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>>127434It could be because we barley get to see the real akiha she was raised in a completely unnatural environment abusively to an extent she whats tries her best to be the heir of the tohno household which is an act she plays something she wants to be but its not her full self its important to note how important shiki is to her and how much she cares about kohaku and hisui that she stood up against makihisa who she easily feared the most its because of shiki that she could remain herself and not fall into the tohno blood she literally gave away half of her life force to keep him alive and that leads us to red haired akiha who is the embodiment of her supressed and truly selfish desires emplified by her blood running wild its not who she truly is but there are also parts of her in that alot of things she does and says in kohakus route she would never truly mean but through all her life she revolved herself around shiki and never moved on from the past she clung to him in an unhealthy way which both saved and broke her but she tries to be strong and not let such selfish emotions of her desires come out because she knows she doesn’t want to take him by force she wants him to move on and she wants him to simply live a good life with all of those things behind but i think where we get to see who akiha truly is, is when her hair is her natrual brown redish color it does suck that its in her hscene that is half made into an incest trope to fill in, but she does care about shiki and she literally asks him to kill her if her tohno blood takes hold because thats not her and she doesn’t want to exist if she cannot have control over her body
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>>127457Transformed noel into a vampire ig
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>>127463yea sorry i forgot to mention man damn that akiha cg always gets me one of the best endings dude
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>>127432mbaacc has the best cast for the characters
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>>127548its like the ultimate edition of the older melty blood games. the story doesnt change at all between the various re releases.
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>>127560what about the community edition actually I couldnt manage to get the controls right but i heard its the definitive edition
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>>127594Thats the same thing. Just remember that it got taken over by troons shilling a ‘cord and some sketchy looking programs added to it.
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I think the remake is fine being its own thing i think its weakest parts are when it remakes scenes from the original the chair scene while funnier i think lost an essence about it its harder to feel into shiki probably due to its over the top nature rather than giving you a breathing from imagination also the amount of foreshadowing is a bit annoying it’s almost like it spells the plot out to you what i do like are additional scenes that give you a glimpse of characters like akiha i think she got the most for the near side routes and it shows her very well how she’s actually just putting up a front and shiki empathizing such small character moments are nice i liked the melty and kagetsu tohya references i saw aswell and it has some suprising things happening i like when it diverges from og tsukihime and does its own thing i do wish it wasn’t called a remake
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>>127659>remake vs OG tsuki It is its own timeline according to nasu. Even neco arc mentions it in type lumina.
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>>127725more people should be aware i saw some xitter trannys just bring up again how the remake is the better version of tsukihime and “better” i wish people would stop comparing it and appreciate both for what they are instead of what they arent
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kagetsu tohya is so hard to 100% how tf did you guys do it
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>>127726Never a point in engaging with them. Those retards are never acting in good faith and just use it as bait. Been a problem as old as the internet. Except now instead of just shitflinging back and forth they cry for jannies to permaban anyone they just don't like.
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>>127775yea i deleted xitter cus of that i was just looking for some discussion on tsukihime since ive recently gotten into it too bad its hard to find any decent ones
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most samefagged post in the 'party
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>>127785i worked hard on it thanks for the acknowledgment
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>>127782yes if you want some real closure on Arc's route.
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>>127725Is Type-Lumina even worth playing
I never played it because it didn't have Sion, the main heroine of the fucking series, but had fucking Saber of all people
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>>127873Not really. It has no idea what its supposed to be and neco arc of all characters is the only one that makes any sense. Whatever autism the “power of Re:Make” is that nasu went with for it.
>SionSion was added in “under night in birth 2” apparently instead of type lumina. But goes by her middle name “Eltnam” now. French bread got the rights to sion and melty blood was kept by nasu. Sion was very consistent and just LARPs as a veteran of the fighting game wars with the cast in that series.