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Alot of people say that the remake is superior and maybe in production value it is but i dont think its better for arcueids route at least the prologue was quite nice i preferred the original since alot was left the imagination but both of them worked well the remake did the hospital scene alot better i still think the manga version stands superior but everything including the talk with aoko the remake did perfectly but after that it went downhill the change in time period i dont understand what the point of it was but nasu really loves to keep mentioning how there is the internet and cell phones and how great it is to be connected with everyone its so convenient yada yada yada its annoying meandering and isn’t really used at all for the story there were quite a few nice scenes added building the relationship between akiha and shiki which i liked but boom it completely gets blown off by annoying new characters that do not fit tsukihime whatsoever annoying tone shifts are awful but some additions to the cast feel totally put of place i personally also didnt like vlov all that much hes not all to interesting to me and his fight while amazing ost and great visuals didnt capture me as much as neros fight did in the original i didnt feel close to the same hype also there was alot of meandering during the fight where i thought they could cut it shorter also arcueid and shikis relationship i still adore these two but a little bit of the magic was left behind in the original it didnt have the same charm for me shikis inner monologue also became boring even tho it was my favorite part of the original i knew for both vns what would happen to arcueid once he met her since i got spoiled but really the og just did it better it felt much more intense to me and i was fully focused on it maybe its just a translation issue and the wording doesn’t feel the same tho i did like alot of the extra additional scenes they gave arcueid to deepen their relationship but for alot of the route i would think back and get enjoyment from what reminded me of the original it was such a unique and great experience the remake just didn’t give me the same one im not sure why but ill read the ciel route next and see how i will feel
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>>126194too add on the art its really a chewed out topic but heres my take i do not mind the redesign it helps me view this as a different vn instead of constantly making comparisons the art itself is wonderful eye candy even for me but the issue of the same faces is actually quite bothersome characters can look really silly or ugly trying to make expressions they cant and for hisui specifically she really lacks her unique charm of expressions one thing og tsukihime did wonderfully was give you a sprite change that could instantly make you lock in or feel something very strongly the emotions of the characters were very visible ig thats what people mean by “soul” and yea it does lack in the remake and often i feel like they just can never be the character i fell in love with
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>>126194I find it incredibly ridiculous how often people argue that the remake is superior to the original. The only thing the remake has over the original is fight scenes and visuals, and even then the visual aspect is controversial because of the Takeuchi sameface you mentioned. Also Ciel's redesign sucks. She has the same haircut at every other Type-Moon heroine now
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>>126203does tsukihime need these fight scenes tho? the original felt a bit smaller shiki was just stepping foot into the horrors now you have vlov doing unimaginable crazy things but shiki falls flat as a character due to how it doesn’t drive him as crazy witnessing and living through all these things i felt he was far more relatable and his inner monologue was much better in the original
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>>126211I agree they're definitely unnecessary but I meant in terms of quality and writing (just relating to that literally in the battle) they're better.
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you guys recommend me the og or the remake?
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>>126215go with og for sure
more accessible and has better character design and writing
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is it possible to read kagetsu tohya on silicon macs?
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>>126203Discounting the far side routes and what they add to the story and Shiki's character.
Other than the h-scenes, the Remake's near side routes are better in almost every aspect compared to the OG, where both routes are almost exactly the same, worse pacing, objectivelly a worse mid-story antagonist, considering Nero is a literal non-character.
>>126211>felt he was far more relatableShiki is not meant to be relatable, it's emphasized many times in the OG VN by SHIKI, Arc and Sacchin that he's a fundamentally inhuman killer in nature, a natural doll, the parallel of Kohaku, who is just pretending to be one.
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>>126355>Shiki is not meant to be relatable, it's emphasized many times in the OG VN by SHIKI, Arc and Sacchin that he's a fundamentally inhuman killer in nature, a natural doll, the parallel of Kohaku, who is just pretending to be one.Shikis character is about not letting his nature define him he cannot kill thats not the person tohno shiki is much rather he inspires the people around him with his honest nature thats still upheld in the remake aswell what i meant by relatable is that his inner monologue was one i could far better understand he felt more like an actual person that cares about everything around him aswell as having struggles whilst remake shiki doesn’t think at all besides “oh this is crazy but i wanna help everyone out” he doesn’t feel as genuine to me
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>>126355>Shiki is not meant to be relatablethey failed at that then bc i relate to him
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>>126355>the Remake's near side routes are better in almost every aspect compared to the OG, where both routes are almost exactly the same, worse pacing, objectivelly a worse mid-story antagonist, considering Nero is a literal non-character.The routes only feel mostly the same if you follow the exact same path you went on your first time during Arc route except instead you choose Ciel in like 3 dialog options. The intention of the developer was for you to choose all the options you hadn't chosen last time, which is why you have the possibility of meeting Ciel earlier in the day as opposed to later in the hallway. Worse pacing is incredibly subjective, and in that regard I really feel like the remake progresses through things too fast. Nrvnqsr Chaos isn't supposed to be a deep character, he is supposed to be a brutal reality check for Shiki. He is literally just an incarnated evil, this isn't some hidden thing to excuse little-to-no character writing, they say this multiple times in the VN. He has "objectively" worse writing because he doesn't serve the same purpose as Vlov does besides the generic mid-story antagonist label
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>>126362I don't know where you've got the fact that his inner struggles aren't portrayed in the remake, I'd argue they're portrayed even more lol, the Remake emphasizes and explores more what's already been alluded to in RDG and the coffee scene, in which that Shiki is fundamentally broken, that's why it's absurd that you say he's relatable, like, did you even read the VN?
He is not a genuine person, that too, don't know where you got that from, he's a hypocrite, if you didn't feel like he's genuine, that's because it's the point, he's not even honest with himself, he directly gets reprimanded for being a hypocrite in the very monologues you're talking about, that the "Tohno Shiki" who cannot kill is just a facade, that's written in both the original and the remake.
He wants to be kind to be everyone, he doesn't make a distinction between anyone, to the point where it becomes cold and not genuine, Akiha tells him that in the original VN, because that's what he "thinks" is right, that's what someone told him long ago, do what you think is right, killing is wrong, that's is right, he doesn't know why killing is wrong, "What is wrong with that exactly", that's what he said, that's what he questioned, his desire to become not "out of tune", in a way, that's genuine.
Shiki, verbatim says that his morals and values that he borrowed, while beautiful, aren't even sincere and he doesn't believe in them.
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>>126364>i relate to himYou relate to an inbred rapist who fucks kids?
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>>126430thats aryan, shemmycuck
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>>126428>You can't relate or sympathize with any aspect of anybody who has ever had a controversial thought EVER.Saying Shiki's only character trait is his broken sense of morality is just disingenuous. The entire point of the story is that through his struggles Shiki learns the value of his own life and learns how to separate himself from his affinity for killing. The person you're describing is virtually just Nanaya Shiki, which is only one aspect of him.
I'm not even arguing between remake or OG btw I just think that pretending Shiki is only a cold-blooded, godless killer and nothing more is deliberate misinterpretation of his character. The story is literally about him learning to feel
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>>126428He struggles yes but i feel it comes off as very unnatural i personally like how the remake portrayed his detachment of himself once he started seeing the lines its great but still after that he was able to live a decent life one he tried his best to be honest in you can be a genuine person aswell as a hypocrite thats human but as another person stated im talking about tohno shiki not only nanaya
I still think remake shiki tries to be genuine there are quite a few scenes where he refrains from telling direct lies arcueid mentions that he seems like a person who cant lie and in his inner monologue he also states that he cant tell himself lies that he cant even fool himself with what i mean is his situation is beyond insane yet it doesn’t seem to truly effect his character the way it should that feels unnatural specifically about early ciel route or just vlov in general
He doesn’t believe in them? Then what about all of eclipses did you just skip that
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>>126472>>126449Can I ask you a question, who do you think Nanaya Shiki is?
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>>126475i think the question should rather be who tohno shiki is what differentiates him from “nanaya shiki” is that his memories were taken from him, that is basically the “erasure” of nanaya shiki but nanaya still exists within shiki as shown in ciels route they are part of eachother yet separate during shikis inversion impulse he has times he talks to himself i would say that is nanaya resurfacing but there is also a difference between the nanaya blood and the person shiki was before the accident I haven’t read kagetsu thoya yet so my impression of this could be wrong
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>>126475Nanaya Shiki is an aspect of Shiki, but you portray him as if that is the ONLY aspect of him. I wasn't referring to Shiki by his original name, I was referring to the Nanaya Shiki that is formed by his fear of his own subconscious in Kagetsu Tohya. While it is undeniable that Nanaya is an inseparable part of him, to say that is the only part of him and his sole defining character is disingenuous. The entire point is that he learned to balance the self he lives through (Tohno) and his foundation (Nanaya), and learns to live and feel for the first time from it.
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>>126477>but you portray him as if that is the ONLY aspect of himWhy are you referring to KT Nanaya who's directly stated by Shiki to not be the real Nanaya.
Nanaya Shiki is not sadistic, nor is he a murderous urge, he himself says killing is wrong, and the world is messed up for allowing it.
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>>126479KT Nanaya isn't consistent in his logic, he is just a manifestation of Shiki's fear of his own subconscious. He also later tells Shiki that he's a natural-born killer and shouldn't fear killing after Shiki fears that he'll become an indiscriminate murderer if he acknowledges urges. My point is that you paint this picture of Shiki being a solely one-dimensional character designed to have zero relatable qualities when there's much more to him than that
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>>126482>KT Nanaya isn't consistent in his logicI feel like there's been some confusion.
>he himself says killing is wrong, and the world is messed up for allowing it.KT Nanaya isn't the one that said that, the real Nanaya did.
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I know nothing about this series can someone tell me what its about?
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>>126562A boy named Shiki Tohno nearly dies. After he wakes up he gets the power to see the "death" of everything (he can basically just see the lines of which things are most weak, and will break into pieces when cut through those lines) and is given special glasses to hide these lines from a mage. The caveat is that he now has chronic anemia. This injury severely disappoints his father and as such he is banished from their manor and sent to live with his relatives indefinitely. He lives a normal life from then on until the age of 17 where he is called back to his house after his younger sister informs him of the death of his father. On the way there, he meets a vampire named Arcueid. I won't tell you anymore because there's a big reveal past that point but thats a basic synopsis of the VN's intro
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>>126564corny nigga just tell him it's twilight but with the genders reversed
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>>126565how about you kill yourself you retarded nigger also that isnt even accurate
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>>126566yes it is accurate dumb midwit what are you talking about 😭
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>>126562what the other person said is the basic intro if you wanna be more sold on it i think its a very life affirming vn and has alot of amazing characters which have quite their own struggles may even be deemed irredeemable but you can still come to love them specifically for the far side routes there is also a remake which is half the story fighting game spin offs u might have heard of them they are called melty blood and its a big inspiration for ryukishi umineko both tried to replicate the art style aswell as taking inspiration from the story and characters and there is alot of references in higurashi it also has a manga which differs quite a bit from the vn but is really good in its own right you can read the original for free there is a web version just look up tsukihime web i recommend using the tsuki bako ost its the best one i also recommend looking up a choice guide and do the routes in order
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>>126587All of these have been on this board before you even knew what the sharty was xitter immigrant
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>>126588Her true ending or her good ending? I don't like how she basically gets cucked by Arcueid in her own good ending
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>>126588ciel is such a wonderful character man im so happy with how much more we get to learn about her past in the remake im not finished with her route yet but ciel easily one if not the best characters in tsukihime
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Even though i dont know much other than what you guys said in this thread i think im going to make my very own Tsukihime game. Wish me luck!
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Satsuki needs her route already.
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>>126605nyaa dot si or sukebei nyaa for the adult ones
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>>126606she never will only remake satsuki might get a route one day but the real satsuki has been totally abandoned her sprites her concept art her original character idea its all a thing of the past that will never lead to anything all the remake interpretations of the characters are different characters to a big extent
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>>126624she was too gemmy for nasu to write a proper route for and shiki didnt deserve her anyway.
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imma be honest, the mini skirt, the leggings, and the boots turn me on but the original design was more iconic to me.
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>>126635At least we got the date outfit in remake to make up for it (somewhat). But the skirt she had in the original was better. I thought it made her look more elegant and also way hotter, personally
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>>126635I think both designs are good and since remake arc overall feels quite different from original arc i think its good they gave her a new design i think it fits her a new personality better
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Ciel is the only foid to ever actually look good with tattoos
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what your guys favorite dynamic in tsukihime? i think there are so many great ones like beyond just romance with shiki like kohaku and hisui are amazing or SHIKI and shiki or roa and arcueid i feel the remake kinda missed alot of potential with arcueids route i wish we got to see her interact with more characters or find out more about her past tho it may feel straight forward ciel got alot more background layed out for her roa aswell i wonder why arcueid didnt get that
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arceuid and ciel are such SISAs
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Sacchin chan was just lonely
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>>126713well melty is set after the satsuki route
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>>126717She technically did get her route through melty blood and her manga.
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>>126720would have been nice if nasu actually wrote a fully fledged route her concept art was so cute i wish i could have gotten to see those sprites
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>>126721i want to see the satsuki concept art
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>>126725There is a whole segment in tsukihime plus disk about satsuki it shows her concept art and talks a bit about her route it also has a nice side story included
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>>126742This isnt a touhou thread
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>>126743what do you mean?
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>>126743nasu himself said he couldnt make a good enough route for sacchin chan in the bonus disc commentary. Best we got was her route in all the melty blood games except type lumina.
Very unlikely Nasu will ever finish the "remake" series. Doesnt take 20+ years to remake a VN.
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>>126742I really hope that the remake version will stick to Nasu's original vision for Sacchin's route, though I really doubt that'll be the case.
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>>126750Tsuki re is more fate than tsukihime anyway
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>>126752Its really dumb how the remake reached half life 3 levels of hype and didn't even have all the routes the original had on release. Its a glorified 100h powerpoint presentation with fancy pictures and a CYOA routes. Not the nearly the same effort as remaking it into a proper JRPG. FGO has completely destroyed the quality of future nasuverse entries.
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gotta remember it was originally a sex game.
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>>126761didnt nasu say he felt uncomfortable writing those scenes because he had no confidence in him he tried to make most of them relevant or emotionally important but its glaring with akiha how tropy he got just so it would sell which almost diminishes the dynamic between shiki and akiha or ciel her route was the most rushed and her hscene shows the reasoning behind it was so stupid its obvious he just had to somehow bring it in there somehow
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>>126762gooners don't think they jsut goon, luckily nasu didn't give a fuck and made quality shit
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>>126763I really liked tsukihime hscenes ngl
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>>126762those scenes got memed by the entire fandom. The most depressing soundtrack ever for an hscene to where it was hilarious.
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>>126766the ost is very nice and fits well i think the hscenes are alot more about the bond between two characters its about the beauty of their relationship and thats how they get closer nasu just overdid it at times
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>>126767Ciel's was so fucking ridiculous from the get-go
Shiki got possessed by Roa and somehow that gave him a boner, and the only way to get rid of it was by having sex with Ciel
I don't mine h-scenes at all I actually quite like them but that shit was just so funny
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>>126773I think im underrating kohaku ill put hers above akiha its the best hscene technically when it comes to serving a themematic purpose
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>>126773why is she carrying all that fgo
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>>126768It was still funny how badly written they were. They were completely optional tho. Would be nice to see the story get adapted into a JRPG at some point.