/soy/ - Soyjaks

Saint Justin Martyr (First Apology 27, c. 151):
“But as for us, we have been taught that to expose newly-born children is the part of wicked men; and this we have been taught lest we should do anyone an injury, and lest we should sin against God, first, because we see that almost all so exposed (not only the girls, but also the males) are brought up to prostitution. And as the ancients are said to have reared herds of oxen, or goats, or sheep, or grazing horses, so now we see you rear children only for this shameful use; and for this pollution a multitude of females and hermaphrodites, and those who commit unmentionable iniquities, are found in every nation. And you receive the hire of these, and duty and taxes from them, whom you ought to exterminate from your realm. And anyone who uses such persons, besides the godless and infamous and impure intercourse, may possibly be having intercourse with his own child, or relative, or brother. And there are some who prostitute even their own children and wives…”
Saint John Chrysostom (On the Corruptors of Virgins / De corruptoribus virginum):
“What have you to do with us, wretched and miserable guides of evil pleasures? How do you wish to escape the hands of the living God? What will you do, when He who betrothed her comes to judge the living and the dead? What defense will you make, having committed such lawless acts against the brides of Christ? Have you shown so much contempt? Did you not tremble? Were you not afraid? Did you not shudder? Did you not spare your own souls? Do you not know that there is no other lawlessness like this one? Do you not know that virgins are a temple of God? Do you not know that the Spirit of God dwelt in them? … O how did you dare to corrupt the brides of Christ, you procurers of evil desire? If anyone dares to commit such acts against a fellow servant-girl, he does not go unpunished; but when you thus arm yourselves against the brides of Christ, who is Master of both them and you, do you then expect to escape justice?”
Saint Basil the Great (Letter 46, To a Fallen Virgin):
“You have been deceived by the serpent more bitterly than Eve; and not only your mind but also your body has been defiled. … You have taken the members of Christ and made them the members of a harlot. … The virgin has changed her glory, and her glory is in her shame. The heavens are astonished at this, and the earth is horribly afraid, says the Lord, for the virgin has committed two evils; she has forsaken Me, the true and holy Bridegroom of holy souls, and has betaken herself to an impious and lawless destroyer of body and soul alike.It were better for him that a mill-stone had been hanged about his neck, and that he had been cast into the sea, than that he should have offended the virgin of the Lord.”

Best part about Christianity is that it fought back against the homosexuality that was proliferated in many areas of upper roman society

>>16893980
correct

>>16893980
Pedastry good because the Ancient Greeks did it

>>16894039
Becoming based and Zeus pilled

even if we didnt have age of consent, men could only marry those who reached puberty

The Church inherited historical marriage customs rather than inventing them. Its concern was the morality and validity of marriage, not writing modern criminal statutes. That doesn't mean every historical practice was ideal by today's standards, nor does it excuse abuse. Christianity has always condemned coercion and the exploitation of the vulnerable.

The Church canonizes people for their holiness, not because every aspect of the legal and social customs of their time is an eternal Christian norm. Modern concepts of statutory consent did not exist in the ancient or medieval world, so applying today's legal labels directly to historical figures is not straightforward.

The Church's historical minimum ages reflected the biological and legal assumptions of those societies. They were minimum thresholds for marriage validity, not a teaching that adults should seek very young spouses. In practice, many marriages occurred later, and modern laws that set higher minimum ages to protect minors are compatible with Christian concern for the vulnerable.

more people need to hear this

Please keep posting/making threads like this more often with church father quotes, it is greatly appreciated and nourishing to the soul

>>16894101
>men could only marry those who reached puberty
It was like that from the beginning of time albiet. Everybaldi knew that prepubescent wasn’t right

>>16893953 (OP)
Homilies against the Jews when?

>>16894227
i dont know what other subject i can send from

>>16894257
its weird that moslems dont follow this

>>16894227
It's very strange noticing the massive decline of Christians (and more broadly, outspoken theists) on the sharty since they used to be a lot more common and made up a greater portion of the posters on /pol/ in 2024 and 2025. Now virtually everybody there is an irony poisoned atheist who doesn't really believe in anything beyond a vague understanding of Nietzsche and the problem of evil

>>16894269
Honestly, just every few days finding a few relevant quotes form the variety of church fathers is a great idea and can reach the ears and eyes of people who need it, which is here

>>16894328
Here is today's patristic quote on the mystery and power of the Cross by St. John Chrysostom (c. 347 – 407 AD):"The Cross is the hope of Christians, the resurrection of the dead, the guide of the blind, the staff of the lame, the comfort of the poor, the restraint of the rich, the destruction of the proud, the triumph over demons."

>>16894419
Thank you. One aspect I love of the cross is that a true faith in it seems to eject and reject all demonic things. Something I enjoy about the old texts.

>>16893953 (OP)
kill all gays (top specifically), skin them and castrate them. they are pedophile fucks taking advantage of people socioty has been grooming. they will be given free helicopter rides when we finally take over

HEIL JESUS
I will gladly go to hell if my sin protects his children

>>16894446
sorry to tell you this, but if you protect his children, you will be rewarded actually

but violence may be too far, but you have free will to commit acts of violence, but i dont condone it, and neither do the holy fathers and apostles

The Fathers condemned the corruption and abuse of the innocent, but they did not teach hatred, revenge, or violence against people. Christianity calls us to protect children, defend the vulnerable, and pursue justice, but also to remember that every person is made in the image of God and that judgment belongs to God and lawful authority.

The same St. John Chrysostom who spoke strongly against sexual immorality also preached repentance, mercy, and love of enemies. The Christian response to evil is not to become evil ourselves, but to overcome evil with good.

>>16894570
but then how do we stop then, why do I feel the need to act out and do something

>>16894636
by proving them wrong

>>16894643
By proving them wrong. Do not give them the victory of making you abandon reason, justice, and virtue. Protecting children does not mean becoming consumed by hatred; it means standing for what is true and defending the innocent in a way that cannot be condemned.

>>16894654
but they do not follow god or believe, and they seem to hate his ideas being spread, as such we cannot convince them of anything, they are demons made flesh killing his chilldren

>>16894717
we are also hypocrites, alot of christian women kill babies in abortion because of bad theology

that doesnt justify violence, the eastern fathers emphasize self defense, the western fathers, just war, i disagree with just war, because war is a consequence of the fall

>>16894717
We cannot call people demons made flesh. Evil acts can be demonic, but human beings are still made in the image of God and capable of repentance. Christians also have to examine themselves; we are not justified by pointing at the sins of others.

The Fathers teach that we must resist evil, protect the innocent, and pursue justice, but not through hatred or vengeance. The existence of grave sins among others does not give us permission to abandon Christ's commandments. The struggle is against sin and the powers of evil, not against human beings as enemies to be destroyed.

>>16894742
the sin I'll never leave though, fear seems to be the only thing to scare them, and because they don not believe, we must make them fear us

>>16894797
Fear can restrain people for a time, but it cannot convert the heart. Even the demons fear God, but they do not love Him.

Christ did not spread the Gospel by making people fear Christians. The Apostles conquered the world through truth, holiness, martyrdom, and love. We should make evil fear justice, not make people fear us out of hatred.

If we want people to see God, we must show the image of Christ, not the anger of the world.

>>16894819
how?

>>16894859
Because fear can stop an action, but it cannot create repentance. A person can fear punishment and still hate what is good.

The Apostles had no army, no political power, and no ability to force anyone. Yet they transformed the world because people saw the truth of Christ through their preaching, holiness, miracles, and willingness to suffer.

Justice can restrain evil, and society has a duty to protect the innocent. But making people fear us through hatred only creates more hatred. We make evil fear the consequences of its actions, but we make people see God through truth and love.

>>16894867
no, how do we enforce justice in such a flawed system

>>16894913
A flawed system does not mean we abandon justice and replace it with revenge. Every human system is imperfect because humans are imperfect.

The answer is to work toward better justice: expose crimes, protect victims, support lawful punishment, and hold institutions accountable when they fail. Even the Fathers recognized that earthly authorities are imperfect, but they did not teach every individual to become judge, jury, and executioner.

Christians are called to fight evil without letting evil transform us.

>>16894919
no epic holy wars for me I guess

>>16894950
well Is discrimination moral? after all it doesn't hurt them to ban them from my home and work, I can just deny them service

>>16894969
The question is what kind of discrimination we are talking about. Christianity does not teach that every distinction is evil, but it does condemn hatred, contempt, and treating people as less than human.

A Christian can reject sinful actions or ideas while still recognizing that every person is made in the image of God. Justice is not the same thing as hatred, and protecting truth does not require refusing basic human dignity to others.

>>16894978
well if I see a sinner I just don't let them buy from my store, and kick them out of my house (if say my kid turns out to be a fag)

>>16894987
gated

>>16894987
Look at Saint Moses the Ethiopian. He was once a violent criminal, yet the Church did not say he was beyond redemption. He repented and became a saint.

Christians must oppose sin, but we cannot pretend we ourselves are without sin. As Christ says: “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matthew 7:1). And St. Paul says: “Restore him in a spirit of gentleness” (Galatians 6:1).

Justice is necessary, but hatred of sinners is not the way of Christ.

We have to remember that we are sinners too. Scripture says, “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves” (1 John 1:8), and “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).

Christ did not teach us to look at sinners with pride, but to repent ourselves first: “Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?” (Matthew 7:3).

We condemn sin because God condemns sin, but we do so as people who also need mercy.

>>16895001
but the people will not "just" hell if they could most would go on and smoke all day, hell people do, discrimination of these people would be a non violent way to get rid of them

>>16895015
I agree… but some sin is worse then others. getting drunk with friends is not the same as grooming little boys

>>16895024
of course not

>>16895017
The problem is that Christianity does not teach us to treat people as disposable because they struggle with sin. If that were the standard, none of us would stand.

Christ calls us to repentance, not exclusion from mercy. “God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).

There are times when society must set boundaries and protect others from harm, but the goal is justice and restoration, not making people into outcasts. We fight the sin without forgetting the person.

>>16895030
outcast sinners keeps it from spreading, does it not? like quarentine

>>16895038
sorry, self gated

>>16895038
Quarantine is for protecting people from a disease, but sinners are not diseases. A person is not identical to their sin.

The Church does teach separation from things that lead to sin and sometimes discipline of those who cause harm, but the goal is repentance and healing, not permanent hatred.

St. Paul says: “Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother” (2 Thessalonians 3:15). Even when someone must be corrected or separated from the community, Christians are still called to seek their repentance.

>>16895030
>>16895015
>>16895001
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>>16895047
would discriminating against sinners not lead to his lambs becoming less likely to stray? what would you do to a woman who aborts her kids, or a man who takes advantage of the mentally ill and vurnarable and demands charity from the church? would you not turn her out?

>>16895070
There is a difference between discipline and rejection. The Church has always corrected serious sinners, but the purpose is repentance and healing, not treating people as if they are beyond salvation.

St. Paul himself commanded the Corinthians to remove an unrepentant sinner from the community (1 Corinthians 5), but the purpose was restoration: “that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus” (1 Corinthians 5:5). He later tells them to forgive and comfort him when he repents (2 Corinthians 2:7–8).

Look at Saint Mary of Egypt. She lived in grave sin for years, yet the Church remembers her not as someone to be discarded, but as one of the greatest examples of repentance. Saint Moses the Ethiopian was once a violent criminal and became a great saint.

If someone is actively harming others, exploiting the vulnerable, or refusing repentance, boundaries and discipline may be necessary. But we do not cast away the person as if God cannot heal them.

Christ came for sinners: “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance” (Luke 5:32).

>>16895084
what about those who commit the unforgivable sin of heresay?

>>16895097
they are outside the church and anathematized from it

>>16895097
Heresy is indeed treated very seriously by the Church. Those who knowingly and stubbornly reject the truth after receiving it can separate themselves from the Church and may be anathematized.

But even an anathema is not a command to hate someone. It is a medicinal act of the Church, meant to warn, protect the faithful, and call the person to repentance.

St. Paul says: “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject” (Titus 3:10). Notice that there is still admonition before rejection.

The Fathers also prayed for the return of heretics. St. John Chrysostom says we should not hate the person, but oppose the error, because the person is still someone for whom Christ died.

The Church rejects heresy, but it does not stop loving the sinner.

>>16895110
>>16895104
holy shit we have Icelanders, small ass country, anyways… but I thought heresay was unforgivable, explicitly outlined in the Bible. also are you trying to say that all can change? but what of those with say, npd, who are physically incapable of being selfless, doing all for their own ego, would they not be unable to ever believe in Christ? what of the schizo, a man too tourcherd to know of Christ? or the man who is brainwashed, the gay man would fall here because as they cannot help it as has been proven, they are usually groomed into it via enviornment

>>16895171
The unforgivable sin is not simply “having a wrong belief” or struggling with a condition. Christ speaks of those who saw the work of God and deliberately called the Holy Spirit’s work evil (Matthew 12:31–32). The Fathers generally understood this as a hardened and willful rejection of grace, not ordinary weakness, ignorance, or confusion.

Can people change? Yes, because grace is not limited by human psychology. But that does not mean every person changes in the same way or that we can judge another person’s soul.

Look at St. Cyprian of Antioch: he was a pagan sorcerer who opposed Christians, yet he repented, became a bishop, and was martyred for Christ. St. Paul persecuted the Church before his conversion (Acts 9). These show that God can reach people who seem far away.

As for those with mental illness, trauma, or severe disorders, Christianity has never taught that God judges them as if they had perfect understanding and freedom. “The Lord looks on the heart” (1 Samuel 16:7). A person who is mentally suffering or deeply confused is not the same as someone who knowingly hates God.

The Church condemns sin and falsehood, but it also recognizes human weakness. Christ prayed: “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34).

We do not know who is beyond repentance. That judgment belongs to God alone.

>>16895210
but if forgiveness is given to those who believe in him,, what of those who cant, what of those who lie, how does one know if their "heart" is pure

>>16895268
The question is exactly why Christianity teaches humility about judging souls. We do not know the hidden state of another person's heart; only God does.

Scripture says:

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? I, the Lord, search the heart.” (Jeremiah 17:9–10)

A person can deceive other people, and even deceive themselves, but they cannot deceive God. True faith is not merely saying words; it is the turning of the whole person toward God.

Christ says:
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father.” (Matthew 7:21)

But we also cannot assume that someone who struggles to believe is automatically condemned. St. Paul says that God “desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:4).

The Church also recognizes that people can lack understanding through ignorance, suffering, or circumstances beyond their control. God judges perfectly, while humans only see appearances.

The best example is the Apostle Paul: he sincerely believed he was serving God while persecuting Christians, yet Christ revealed the truth to him and transformed him (Acts 9). His zeal was wrong, but God saw his heart and called him to repentance.

So we trust God's justice: He knows who knowingly rejects Him, who is deceived, who is wounded, and who is sincerely seeking truth.

The case of Simon Magus is exactly why we must understand the unforgivable sin correctly.

Simon Magus did not merely make a mistake; he opposed the work of God through pride and false power. In Acts 8, he tried to purchase the grace of the Holy Spirit with money, and St. Peter rebuked him:

“Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!” (Acts 8:20)

Yet even then, St. Peter told him:

“Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.” (Acts 8:22)

Holy Tradition also preserves the account of Simon’s final confrontation with St. Peter. Simon, through demonic power and false signs, attempted to exalt himself and was lifted up in the air before the people. St. Peter prayed to God, and Simon was brought down, falling and being defeated. His false glory was exposed, and his alliance with demons led to his destruction.

The lesson is that pride and rebellion against God lead to ruin. But we cannot simply declare every sinner or every person struggling with error to have committed the unforgivable sin.

Simon Magus hardened himself against God and sought glory for himself. But St. Paul persecuted the Church and repented. St. Peter denied Christ and was restored.

We condemn the sin, but God alone knows when a person has truly and finally rejected His grace.

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>>16895284
oh so heresay is more like the "true" satanist who believes in god and opposes him and his creation in an attempt to ruin him and his work.
oh also do you think annihilationism is correct?