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>>15522052 (OP)lucky nameroll
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Is this news to anyone
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>>15522082yeah i was pretty surprised by it too and the only logical conclusion to this is either one of the following:
1 - Genetics
2 - Lack of a soul
<The reason why genetics is involved is due to the sole reason that even lower iq people show the same thought patterns
The reason why a soul is involved is just common sense
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>>15522100I do agree that there is generational patterns that have to be connected with the DNA, same family problems and even the bible did reference something similar o algo.
Lack of Soul is kind of broad term, I'd rather say lack of wisdom or maturity. A voice in your mind would help you to reflect upon your actions and I guess if you never have to reflect you dont need no voice.
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>>15522082but if you can go your whole life without knowing you dont have it is it that important?
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>>15522123Yes because you need it to solve ethical questions and decisions
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>>15522126But if you have one how do you know what not having one is like. There are other ways to solve problems mentally and the brain is good at adapting to things anyway
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>>15522134I never said i knew how it feels like to have "no inner voice".
I clearly say that a inner voice helps solving ethical questions like "do you kill this person if he is brain dead but his vitals, hearts, breathing etc still works".
I dont think you can solve ethical questions, you can come to an agreement what the most humane thing is by discussing it with other humans.
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>>15522134you can identify it by just simply observing yourself
do you talk to yourself? do you reason by conversating in your mind? do you have a ping pong like critical thinking when selecting decisions and ideas? do you reason via all possible angles?
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>>15522145Im just saying, ive looked it up and while not having an internal monologue is worse it says that people without one solve problems in ways like thinking visually, or talking to yourself. They arent subhumans just for being a vaguely retarded
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>>15522144a soul is hard to describe in words but easy to dissect in my mind so just bear with me here
having a soul is much like having a gut feeling, the more intuitive and thought provoking you are the more soul like you are
if you mindlessly follow the herd, or aren't able to see the bigger picture, or have other people think for you (not to say that listening, then reasoning with yourself afterwards isn't good) then that exhibits a lack of a soul in my opinion,
it's that lack of an inner spark, personality, umfh or even deeper principles which indicate to me your lack of spirituality, because no "normal" human demonstrates such attributes
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>>15522168Do you think what you describe is immaterial?
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well the sharty is filled entirely with apes that have no deeper thought or complex reasoning
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>>15522172which part? the people or the soul?
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>>15522177why would you consider a soul as unimportant?
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>>15522182Im not saying a soul is not important im asking you whether you think its material or not
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>>15522187well the word immaterial means that something is unimportant or dismissive so i understand what you meant now
but to answer your question, i don't think a soul is something tangible or able to be properly observed (not that i know of) so i just assume it inhabits a host or you're given a life with it
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>>15522193Okay so having a soul, to you, essentially means being a nietzchean beast that doesnt go with the goycattle, and in general feels like youre not talking to an npc. Why would that have to be something ethereal and not just someone's brain being arranged differently? I think the only not material thing in this world is what I'd call perception and things emanating from it. So like a person that reacts as if things hurt him would be indistinguishable from a person who actually feels pain. And you could have a perfectly functional universe thats just composed of 'excel spreadsheets' of positions and properties of particles, but it isnt like that. I think thought and everything like that is mostly deterministic and material, but there is a sort of non material "observer" percieving them. Also the fact that the material brain can percieve the immaterial observer and know of its existence probably has some implications but its whatever
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>>15522235that's not what I meant with having a soul, it's hard to describe in words but think of someone who conveys their choices via analogies (much like a poet) instead of brute force what's in front of them type of choices, it goes a double layer beneath the lines
it's not entirely linked to connecting patterns although i understand your reasoning to why, it's similar but more complex than that
but to boil it down, it's that gut, subconscious and quiet feeling deep within your back mind that just KNOWS something is off, or incorrect, or strange, or could lead to something bad which most don't demonstrate it for some reason, but i do agree with you on everything else as that falls in the realm of possibility
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>>15522301I don't think using the wordchoice of "soul" is correct here persay; i'd rather refer to this as qualia, whether someone can experience the subjective, first-person experiences of mental states- what it is like to see, taste or feel something within your mind.
I think this is what you are getting at when you speak of intuition and complex thought.
as a scottishGOD who scrolls twitter and talks to pure buffoons constantly, its easy to see that a majority of people lack an innate sense of reason that they should have; perhaps they have memory of events, observation but they cant induce greater abstractions and concepts meaning that the masses have a dull and meaningless metaphysics- pretty much what is considered an "NPC", mainly because they just follow the other cattle instead of using their faculties (because they don't have any…)
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>>15522618do you think non-intuitives simply aren't interested in having a reasoned, coherent metaphysic? or are they incapable of having one
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>>15522650both. supposedly 100% of people have qualia to an extent, but I don't think they can use it properly or don't care to use it. I can imagine that if you don't have an inner dialogue, you will be less interested in logical formulations and imagining by the fact of how their mind is made up.
at what point do you consider a human a person with a true consiousness?
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>>15522235This thread is a lonely gem in a sea of coal, and that's disappointing
Here's an interesting thought about materialism for you. As you said, it's possible to arrange all positions and properties of particles in "excel spreadsheets". But have you thought about laws? Properties of these particles are changed in a logical way with every moment of time (or iteration). To maintain laws, or simply store this info about particles and manipulate it in a special, constant way you need some external power. Such stuff cannot be contained within the "spreadsheets", or else laws would be changeable. And it is obvious that these laws are arranged by a sentient being(s). What do you think about this?
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This is a truth TSAR nuke,not much to argue about here
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>>15522076How the hell do they think then?
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Trvke, it didn't help that last year ancientfag spaces got nuked because people don't like dialup anymore
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thought provoking gem
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>>15524280thinking is different from inner monologues
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This is why instead of arguing with them I just spam DNB in their DMs
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i often talk to myself even in public
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>>15522052 (OP)That's pretty much why 4chan and Reddit moderation needs to be eliminated.