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shit not even nophono cares about

>>83328 (OP)
i failed last night

>>84894
try again
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I cant tell if this is bait
Talk to her o algo

>>83328 (OP)
tulpamancy isnt summoning a demon into your head. it is something you create using your libido (creative/sexual energy). you could think of a tulpa as a sort of partitioned off part of your conscious (or maybe subconscious) that "acts on its own" the same way someone in your dream might act on their own.
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because of the nature of a tulpa, it will take on whatever characteristics you give it. so if you are looking for your perfect woman (whatever that may be, the only limit is literally your imagination) you can sort of do that. you may even be able to hallucinate her too if your practice the right techniques, but in exchange she will never truly be real, and despite appearances and any emotional attachment you are dating yourself in the form of an imaginary homunculus.
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there is also the big risk that the tulpa you create could lead you down a bad path. it is what you make it, and many tulpamancers like to create enablers with dubious virtues. this is very easy to do due to the low-risk nature of a relationship with a tulpa; it has no choice *but* to love you, since you made them that way. so, if you create a tulpa that encourages you to act lustfully/wrathfully/anti-socially, you will be much more likely to fuck your life up loving this thing deeply. on the contrary, if you create a tulpa that encourages life-affirming habits (i.e. those christians who claim to hear the voice of jesus or the holy spirit often) it could have a positive effect on your life. it really depends on if you trust yourself to make something truly good for you, and if you want to give up 3dpd forever.
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if you do go down the tulpa route, i would suggest you simply make an imaginary friend to keep you company until you can find a real girlfriend. i feel (and will say at risk of sounding like an insane retard) that in creating the tulpa you take on responsibility for its well-being, the same way you accept responsibility for a pet, and it is unrealistic (at least for me) to swear off the idea of ever finding a 3d woman to care for you in favor of a tulpa. i would also argue that ditching the tulpa and leaving it to starve when you catch a living pussy to cuck it with is cruel if you believe the tulpa is a conscious being with its own feelings and thoughts. this imaginary cruelty is no issue if you think they are nothing more than demons or simple figments of focused mentation, but then why are you entertaining romantic entanglement with one of them in the first place? in this view, dating a tulpa is like dating a mental chatbot, or much worse.
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the advantages of a real girl are numerous im sure, although to be honest im having a hard time thinking of some. i guess you can fuck them for real, though if you get good at lucid dreaming/hallucination you can experience sex with your tulpa (or anything really) in a realistic or even hyper realistic way. you can also show your catch off to friends and family, and love her openly without getting called a loser by everyone you know both before and behind your back.
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TL;DR, pick your poision. modded wafu you can only see and feel client side, or a server side girlfriend everyone can agree is real. one will love you without question, the other could love you beyond reason. what is more valuable to you? the experience of love, or the shared vulnerability that facilitates it?

>>84991
Kys tulpanigger

You need to take estrogen for that to happen

>>84915
>Talk to her o algo
i've overcome my shallow desire for her, at least mostly. i dont even think about her whenever she isn't in my direct line of sight and i feel that maybe some of the attraction i felt towards her was due to my mind and body feeling the need to be attracted to something to keep it entertained through the world of possibility. or something
>>84895
its hard to get back up again when you fail, i failed two more times even after telling myself that i wouldn't. ill try to rebuild what i destroyed though
>>84991
this video gave me hemorrhoids but the information is incredibly helpful, thank you. i think the only thing that truly stops me from wanting and creating a tulpa is the idea of there being another being who is attached to me, and constantly attached to me, emotionally or otherwise, even if that being is just a construct who only exists in my consciousness. i don't want to have to kill it and i don't want to have to make it fuck off somehow whenever i dont have any desire to speak. also, like you said, it would be quite cruel to have to starve it to death if it outlives its purpose or it stops being meaningfully entertaining. i wish there was some sort of alternative where the tulpa only exists and is sentient only when you want it to exist, but that would probably be more like an imaginary friend, kek.
>what is more valuable to you? the experience of love, or the shared vulnerability that facilitates it?
no reward could ever be worth being vulnerable around a real flesh and blood roastoid

>>85081
i failed again too, i'm going to restart my streak tomorrow
lets not goon together

>>85084
>lets not goon together
i will do this

>>85084
Me too o algo im on day one right now

>>84991
>TL;DR, pick your poision. modded wafu you can only see and feel client side, or a server side girlfriend everyone can agree is real. one will love you without question, the other could love you beyond reason. what is more valuable to you? the experience of love, or the shared vulnerability that facilitates it?
Is messing with the bicameral mind worth it if all you end up doing is busting a nut?
At least schizos have Jesus in their hearts. This is some mega advanced loosh demon parasitism.
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This reminds me of how Jung talks about the anima: basically, deep down inside, you're a bitch. Or you have some ideal of a bitch (mostly based off your mom because you're a little oedipal freakdiddy)
For jung then individuation is integrating or overcoming your anima, maybe you become less manly then you wanted to, but you were never going to be a REAL man anyways, so you might as well make peace with that ho inside.
Tulpamancy is the exact opposite of that. It is entering into a "relationship" with your anima, which, jung likes to point out, is way stronger than you. Not only have you made it thus impossible for yourself to ever individuate, you have become a manservant to your subconscious mind.
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>the advantages of a real girl are numerous im sure, although to be honest im having a hard time thinking of some. i guess you can fuck them for real, though if you get good at lucid dreaming/hallucination you can experience sex with your tulpa (or anything really) in a realistic or even hyper realistic way.
Case in point: this man has degenerated into a freak. His anima has taken control of him and the demon is looshing off his sexual energy or vril. His soul is empty. He's having a hard time thinking of things. I'm sure he's having a hard time thinking at all.
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So why is it dangerous? Consider that schizophrenia isn't plain insanity, but like julian jaynes proposed the conscious mind acting on its own.
Unlike the unconscious it has a hard time keeping track of things or seeing the bigger picture, but by and large, the schizophrenic operates logically, but without any context.
This is why a schizophrenic will see a person smile and think that man is out to kill him: the conscious mind is not aware of the context or why the man may smile at him, so it looks for reasons not by examining the social context itself but the man in front of him. Gold chain. Tatoos. A gang member? Crack teeth.
Because the conscious mind focuses in on specifics the picture it produces is an exaggerated reality. What might register as 'crack teeth' might be a single chipped dent etc.
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You actually need your subconscious to do these things for you and segregating it into a corner of your mind IS demonic, in fact.
Anima-possesion if you will.
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Maybe you dont need a woman to love you.
<Woaaah nooo my hollywood movieeeeeeess!!! I want le perfect pretty foid…
Maybe, even if you're chad, women won't love you. Fun as chad may be, he's just another guy, just a fun ride. A fun time, a pretty face and nothing more.
There are more than enough chads to go around, and its never really love that brings chad and stacy together, is it?
What if its all an illusion? What if, in the past, men were men and women were women not out of love, or passion, or for each other, but out of duty.
Maybe being manly was your duty as a man, and being loyal was the duty of a woman, and men and women started families out of duty, duty to the community or to their parents in turn.
Maybe there was a big chain linking all people together from the little brother to his sister to their parents and all the ancestors in the past.
Maybe we feel a nostalgia for that time, to have that again even if only at smaller scale, with just one person.
But in doing so we feel something they never did, to them it WAS the way dirt is, or the moon, or the stars, and maybe our ancestors never really felt anything like love.
But now we've gained a lack of something that never existed, maybe.

>>85081
if you won't have a tulpa or take a risk exposing your chuddy little heart to a foid, you could try to delude yourself into be aromantic/aroace by way of constant affirmation (i.e. thinking to yourself "i will never love roastie"). this may or may not work, but if you do this long enough you may start actually believing it. but i would say this is more like supressing your desires for romance rather than sating them.
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truly, i think you should try and talk to that girl you like. i know you think there is no reward worth exposing your soft shitskin underbelly, but the value of having something (or someone if you're into 3dpd) to love and affirm you even in your worst moments and to pick you up when you fall is truly priceless. this is why so many people turn to christ. love is a miraculous thing chud, and deep in your heart you know it to be true as well. through love (with a real foid or otherwise) all things are possible, good and bad. i wish i could describe it, but truly it is a feeling and state beyond words. i wish 99% women didnt get mindraped so hard by ZOG so we all could get a chance at the storybook kind of love that was promised to us, alas if you want anything of substance you must go gamba with your heart in hopes of finding "the one" (or do what most normies do, and find the "good enough" to piss your life away with,) or date yourself. i speak for ALL OF US when i say fuck this nigger prison planet
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still though, love gives you an evergreen reason do do anything. it will doubtlessly help you with nofap, i know i found myself nevergooning when i had a foid i could use to masturbate. although, the results of this may very depending on if you actually want to fuck the foid your dating or not, and how seriously you take the relationship. no one wants to get cucked by porn, even a tulpa (unless you make a degenerate goonslave), and the extra guilt and shame might be what you need to quit for good.
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it is also worth mentioning that the woman you date might be willing to help. you would be surprised what a woman will do for you if she really loves you (they are the same things you would do for her), and no doubt your woman would be there to help you conquer your demons. this is what a *real* relationship is like, the kind that will likely go extinct once all of the normal enough zoomers die off and goycattle inherit the earth. it is honestly a gamble and the game is surely rigged against sub 8s, but women are just as retarded and insane as men are and they can and will find (You) attractive if you train yourself to read their signs.

>>85094
this poster is a mindbroken tranime gooner dropping falsetrvkes. note he himself cant come up with a good reason to get a real girl.
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he boils down the allure of the tulpa to one of a purely sexual nature, but this is untrue. you could say the same for someone who wants to get a real girlfriend. is going insane trying to jestermaxx for roasties worth busting a nut?
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the second point he makes assumes you cant enter into a reciprocal relationship with your anima, and that you and your subconscious mind MUST struggle for power and only one can have control. the anima is surely stronger than you, but you always reserve the right to just kill the tulpa/ignore our subconscious and stay asleep like you were before. he also says entering into a relationship with your anima makes it impossible to individuate despite the fact acknowledging your anima and making peace with it requires you to enter a relationship with it anyways. what does God say the purpose of marriage is? in this context, 'marrige' to your anima *IS* integration, as you two are able to become one flesh.
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he then goes on a non-sequitur rant about schizophrenics before going on a schizophrenic rant in the last paragraph of his post. he grounds his assertion in the fact that chad and stacy don't actually love each other, which is true. what isn't true that love is that love is borne out of duty alone, and people started families out of duty to the community or their parents. now this was true for a long time when the will of the community at large overrode the will of the individual, and you can thank god-kings and plato for that.
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this is not the case anymore. we didn't make love out of thin air, it always existed and DID exist back then, but it couldn't always be chosen by the prospective lovers because there was a political alliance worth more to the 'community', or her dad just didn't like you and wanted his daughter to marry chad instead.
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now, chad and stacy don't get together out of duty, but out of lust, which is the passion of love taken out of balance with the rest of it. this would not be as widespread in the past due to the rigid relationship structure society is built on. in fact, this type of 'love' (i loathe to dilute the word by using it this way, but these are the times we live in) was commonly referred to as fornication, because it isn't really love. its using another person to masturbate, which is toxic to emotional bonds between partners and is thus to a society built on groups of male-female pairs.
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nowadays, despite what some people will tell you, your only duty is to yourself and those you choose to give fidelity to. this is what allows the chance for true love to blossom between two people, unburdened by societal and parental expectations. now that is not to say love does not require fidelity or that it does not require passion. love is a balance of many emotions, and at the end of the day it is a choice. but in the past we as individuals did not have that choice. stacy could not choose you or chad, because she didn't have the right to choose who her heart guided her to, another man had to choose for her. if you loved your oneitis and she loved you back but her dad or parents got in the way, you had no recourse other than to elope and make a new life miles and miles away from whatever your 'duty' was.
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the duty he claims love is an attempt at recreating often times looked like pic related, because that was best to keep society going. this is why women had to marry their rapists, forcing 'partnership' (ev&>though women could hardly be considered a partner as she was subject completely to the will of the man she was assigned) through any means necessary is not what we are hungry for. it is being chosen and appreciated by another person out of a sea of other people.

>>85102
>mindbroken tranime gooner
gem

>>85102
>but you always reserve the right to just kill the tulpa/ignore our subconscious and stay asleep like you were before.
here is you own response:
>that in creating the tulpa you take on responsibility for its well-being, the same way you accept responsibility for a pet
two admissions of weakness: you cant kill your anima bro
>i would also argue that ditching the tulpa and leaving it to starve when you catch a living pussy to cuck it with is cruel
so cucking your anima is cruel, and you should never ever do it, but killing it is fine? what kind of freak are you?
>he also says entering into a relationship with your anima makes it impossible to individuate despite the fact acknowledging your anima and making peace with it requires you to enter a relationship with it anyways.
Jung wasnt being literal lil vro. You're meant to integrate your shadow, not fantasize about gooning to it.
And Yes, you do goon to it, here is your own admission:
>i guess you can fuck them for real, though if you get good at lucid dreaming/hallucination you can experience sex with your tulpa (or anything really) in a realistic or even hyper realistic way.
now how would you know that without trying?
>this is not the case anymore. we didn't make love out of thin air, it always existed and DID exist back then, but it couldn't always be chosen by the prospective lovers because there was a political alliance worth more to the 'community', or her dad just didn't like you and wanted his daughter to marry chad instead.
No it didn't. There was familial love, the family-and duty oriented love, and lust. Cupido and amor ou algo.
A lot of "romantic" poetry of the ancients is really just goonfuel with euphemisms and some literary devices.
>the duty he claims love is an attempt at recreating often times looked like pic related, because that was best to keep society going. this is why women had to marry their rapists, forcing 'partnership' (ev&>though women could hardly be considered a partner as she was subject completely to the will of the man she was assigned) through any means necessary is not what we are hungry for. it is being chosen and appreciated by another person out of a sea of other people.
If marriages were a political alliance as you conceded here:
>because there was a political alliance worth more to the 'community', or her dad just didn't like you and wanted his daughter to marry chad instead.
Then how exactly is the woman completely subjugated?
Also, her dad can give her to chad cuz he doesnt like you, except when you rape his daughter?
Why wouldn't he, for example, kill you instead for, you know, raping his daughter?
(I do appreciate you standing up for womxn here, this bigoted racist forum DOES need more male feminists like you)
But you do have to admit this isn't making much sense. If the relationship turns violent/rapey the political alliance breaks down.
Also who axxed vro? Do you think about rape this often?
>this poster is a mindbroken tranime gooner dropping falsetrvkes. note he himself cant come up with a good reason to get a real girl.
Its not my job but here you go: To have kids and propagate EVRQPA ou algo.
You will instead waste away a docile little goyim, your loosh contributing to Bibi's spiritual nvke to genocide ze vvhite race.

(nice projection first sentence btw. I like freudian slips like that. Like the rape thing. Tell me more about yourself, you're a real piece of work.)

ITS A CONSPIRACY! DA JOOOOOOOOSS CREATED TULPAMANCY TO EXTERMINATE CEREBRAL WHITE KIDS!!!

>>85109
i was going to type up an actual response, but its clear this anime nigger is cherrypicking and taking what i said out of context because that's the only way he can debunk me using his schizophrenic "logic". read our posts with full context and you'll see he is just spinning his wheels opining about things he has no experiential knowledge of while projecting his mental illnesses onto everyone around him. SAD!

>>85115
>you NEED experiential knowledge on gooning before you can talk to me or my tulpa EVER AGAIN
tulpatards LOST, aryanimeGEMS vvon

>>85115
you are a gem therefore you won this argument

>>83328 (OP)
It's less about having little to no sexual attraction and more about being comfortable in your own skin. It's seeing your sexual arousal, feeling it manifest in the form of a strong erection and then just accepting it as a sign of health rather than something that should be suppressed. It's having the thought acknowledged and reassured that it's fine and in fact healthy for it to exist, but also understanding that pondering too much into it is not the solution, as what you're clearly seeking is genuine romantic connection with another person, not pointless pleasure. On that note:
>I feel a light romantic inclination towards her, which I know is irrational and retarded, given that I will never be able to truly love and have romantic love reciprocated to me in turn
Beating yourself up over actual attraction and feelings for someone is going against your male nature and your genetic code, which is bound to hit a roadblock. Trust me, I hate myself a lot and do something similar, albeit a bit more subtly, and that mindset will only bring you misery and a low self-esteem, not humility or happiness. I recommend you stop doing it and to start judging your life from a neutral perspective, seeing both your good and bad traits as they are, to give yourself the comfort you seek from others even when it sounds fake. Trust me, it helps.
God bless you, soyteen.

sorry brah NHKfag wins

>>85287
fact flood

>>85097
forgot to respond to this but thanks for the reply, this bread turned out to be far more interesting than i initially expected.
>you could try to delude yourself into be aromantic/aroace by way of constant affirmation (i.e. thinking to yourself "i will never love roastie")
ive always been pretty hesitant towards that brand of new age/ pop-psych stuff, but i do think this is worth a try. its not a high risk endeavor like tulpamancy where the worst that can happen is that i end up stuck having my conscious psychic energy ripped from me while i become enslaved to a malevolent egregore, and the reward of something good happening (overcoming desire) far outweighs the negative of nothing happening. im not going to rule out tulpas entirely though, but i don't think im very inclined to do it
>truly, i think you should try and talk to that girl you like
i dont really care for her anymore, at least i don't think i do. i notice that my mind only usually wanders to this stuff when i don't have anything that important to be upset or worried about. i can overcome it, at least until i feel another bout of it coming on. i say that because i notice that these feelings usually come in phases, which makes them hard to eliminate entirely, but there is a definite period of reprieve.
>or do what most normies do, and find the "good enough" to piss your life away with
i would rather die alone than settle for a female who doesn't truly love me just because it was economically convenient for her and socially/sexually convenient for me. i say this without a whiff of sour grapes. i seriously cannot think of a more imprisoning life than being a slave to my wife like most married normie males are, getting nagged all day by a loveless, used up female who only settled for them because they're a few years older, have a decent career and they're not dreadfully ugly. the omnipresent fear of being divorced, cheated on or having your life ruined some other way due to a neurotic outburst over a trivial argument does not seem worth it.
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on this point, something noteworthy is that, unless you're a chad, you will end up contorting and shifting most of your political & philosophical opinions, hobbies and style of self presentation to conform to your girlfriend's preferences more often than not, at least from what i've observed. there's an entire archetype of males whos only mating strategy is pandering as hard as they can to roasties by dressing like a metropolitan fag, listening to overrated "indie" music and spouting turboleftist politics, and they don't exist for no reason.
>love is a miraculous thing chud
true THOUGH
>>85287
>I recommend you stop doing it and to start judging your life from a neutral perspective, seeing both your good and bad traits as they are, to give yourself the comfort you seek from others even when it sounds fake. Trust me, it helps.
good advice, thank you

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