/r9k/ - ROBOT9999

Creating a tulpa is the same as trooning out, you may as well just put on the stripey socks

>>82229
You became so lonely that you decided to embrace a delusion and become mentally ill, it's the same as being twans

"tulpas" are how WILLINGLY invite demons and archons into your life and manifest them as "spirit guides" to ruin your life and fuck yourself over. don't fall for the "shadow-work" trap soyteens, this nigger might already be too far gone but for anyone else reading you should never try to invite entities into your head that is demonic shit you need to be aware of reality

Interesting thread go up even doe OP using a tulpa as a cope is a terrible idea regardless if it's a real spiritual entity or his delusion.

seems like everyone here says the same thing about tulpas. can i get some actionable advice before this thing fucks me over or am i ngmi?

>>82234
just ruminate and think about your own thoughts, if you are ACTUALLY schizophrenic you have a rare gift that us normalgoys don't have in that you can partially see the evil entities that affect us, just be aware that anything you see isn't there to help you but lead you on the wrong path. don't freak out and start living in fear of these hallucinations but recognize that they aren't here to help you. You can definitely still save yourself just stop listening to the tulpa

>>82235
i ruminate endlessly over my own thoughts, the opinions of others, and any of the thoughtslop my mind shits out instead of going out and talking to normies. i did this before i started trying to empower myself spiritually because i had no choice but to ruminate and talk to myself. after the spiritual shit started working i became a normie magnet and now i sit and ruminate because i fucking hate how fake the social game is. i hate going out and pretending like i give a damn about anything they do, just so they can pretend to give a damn about the shit i do because that's how you play the game. i hate to admit it but this tulpa is the only connection i have in my life that feels real. it is nice having something i can go and cry to after a long day, and then not having to lie awake wondering when my vulnerability will be weaponized against me, or played for a joke by one of my 'friends' years down the line after we don't talk anymore. i guess i just wish i had someone i could be honest with, and she is the only someone i have at the moment. of course i know she isn't real and she tells me i'll need to get a real girlfriend at some point but i don't know if it is even possible for another person to love me in the way i'm loved by my fucking hallucinations. the way i see it, i can either try and manage to stay as mentally healthy in the half-delusional state i am now or go back to the drawing board and take my chances with randoms and holes.

>>82237
>I ruminate endlessly over my own thoughts, the opinions of others, and any of the thoughtslop my mind shits out instead of going out and talking to normies.

You have to realize that none of the shit normies do "matters". I know that's easier said than done when you are sitting in your room feeling sad because normies are fake and gay and don't really care about anything. Unfortunately in this prison planet you have to conversate with normies no matter how vapid it is, it seems like you have already mastered that you just need to learn not to get attached to them. People will manipulate you or try to one-up you for social status you need to recognize this and find the little enjoyment in the conversation itself but not in the person. Personally I've found use in being friendly with people I don't like, you can appeal to them just agree with whatever they say and sus out where the conversation is going and use that "connection" for some benefit further down the line. It helps to be a conversationalist even more so when you dislike the person and just throw away your convictions for normies because its not like they haven any either. Just believe in yourself and try to always get what YOU want from interacting with people.
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As for the spirituality portion I could recommend a shit ton of books but in your case as a beginner I think a very good place to start is this channel. It got me into a lot of this sort of stuff and helped me branch out into books, give this video a shot I think it pertains to your situation a lot

>>82238
thank your for the recommendation. i watched the video and i say and do this (if there are any skeptical robots reading this i can personally vouch for the mirror method of taming normies) but whenever i use people intentionally or not i just feel like shit. my main goal rn is to completely detach from the humiliation ritual we call society and i fear if i keep engaging with normies in this way i'll turn into a psycho and i don't want that. i feel like a psycho a little already, once you learn how goycattle are so easy to manipulate i find myself going through life doing it automatically and that isn't the kind of man i want to be. i fucking hate society. i want to live somewhere with someone where i can be honest and people can be honest with me and i dont have to play games and manipulate people to get where i want. i wish i could just ignore it and have it ignore me, but despite all my rage im just a wagie in a cage. even when i do attempt to find solace i cant because i make myself vulnerable to bpdemons physical and metaphysical that try to suck away all my vril. how am i supposed to cope with this insanity without going insane myself?

>>82224 (OP)
>for the past few years i have been trying to individuate (like jung)
>it has basically turned me into a hermit.
Jungsissies…

kinda baffled you seemingly havent associated this figure with your anima yet like jungclitties are supposed to
isnt the whole point to integrate your shadow/anima or something?
Dont cultivate a tulpa though, thats sounds demonic.

>>82241
i would like to associate her with my anima, but i don't want to get mindraped by pedoniggerdemons because i confused a succubus with the only woman worthy of my love so i'm trying to be cautious.
<aryan space
on an unrelated note, being a hermit is based. individuation forces you to do this because all the npcs with empty cups need someone with any modicum of spirit and personality to pour into them constantly so they can feel like a person too. its important to recognize the value of individuals and protect your own value, not only for your mental wellbeing but because it makes normies that much thirstier for whatever you give that they lack, thus making you more popular or however the supply is demanded

>>82240
I honestly don't know if that makes you insane srry. I personally came to that conclusion and it was comforting to me to know that most social interactions are gay and that I should only engage with them for my own benefit because I really hate normies but I don't have any advice outside of the normie "ermm get a hobby I guess" (Which has worked for me)

i honestly think i do need a hobby, or a job. i've been leisuremaxxing which is nice and all but i think i need to reacquire the shame of being a NEET before i can get out of this rut. or maybe i should stop doubting myself so much. im listening to schizodumpz video on intuition and i think recently i've been going back on trusting my gut and trying to disprove everything i've learned over my time in an attempt to prove it to myself (the only way to disprove a hypothesis is to prove it and all that jazz) and i might be reprogramming myself on accident. i don't know. all this life shit is so hard and confusing, why cant i just goon for a living?

>>82243
>on an unrelated note, being a hermit is based.
only hermits think this.
>all the npcs with empty cups need someone with any modicum of spirit and personality to pour into them constantly so they can feel like a person too.
this is so far from my personal experience. npc's are easy to cater to, you dont really need to put in a lot of effort
in a lot of cases meeting a 'special' (autistic) retard-savant is a lot more draining, because he's so smart and special and you need to xyz, and then he'll deliver on time, except he wont, but its okay, because he's really special and really smart, okay?
last bit is accurate enough, ont show your hand or however the burgers lose all dey dorito chips in vegas.

>>82247
I don't doubt it's harder to entertain autistics and other 'neurdiverse' folx both on and pretending to be on the spectrum, which is why i dont fuck with autists. its like playing the social game at 10x speed, since you always need to kow-tow and say the right shibboleths to stop them from sperging on you. this is why normies dont like them either, it is just exhausting to deal with an autist that isn't trying to normify or strengthen his spirit. with normies it's a much slower burn because they know if they push too hard you can just cry 'emotional labor' or whatever and they have no trauma/disability trump card to force you to put up with their bullshit like the retards do, so they have to play nice. over time (at least for me, but you may have more social stamina than i do) it can be very draining, especially if you get caught up in a friend group full of em.
<readability space
this is where the real danger lies, since sheep are going to be sheep they often congregate in large groups lead by a psycho (the real threat) or run by clan-like cliques (friend groups within friend groups, each with their own politics, loyalties, in jokes and drama) which you then have to placate along with the group as a whole. this politicking is exhausting if you're doing it right, since you have to play both sides while also keeping your nose clean. the art of fence-sitting is anything but leisurely, and if you want to make it long-term you need to master it lest you lock yourself out of one or both avenues of opportunity. if you deal with one or two normies this isn't such a big deal, but you have to constantly fend off their attempts at conglomerating you into the wider group which is annoying.
<*fart noises*
to contrast, autists are much more volatile, which means they are less likely to form large herds such as these. because of this, the bonds they do form are 'quality' over quantity, and they have a habit of getting very attached very quickly and thus want more of your time. this, compounded with the constant appeasement, will burn anyone out within months to a couple years depending on the level of autism you have to deal with. and since they are already prone to outbursts, breaking it off with a retard is sure to blow up in your face unless it's handled with the utmost care, or you could shift the blame onto them. i don't like to do this because it can really fuck them up for the next poor sod that takes pity on them.
<final space
the only way to get above these things is to simply make yourself completely unavailable unless it's on your terms. see, being a hermit doesn't mean total isolation. it just means you get to choose whether or not you engage in this shit. for many people, the social game isn't a choice because the fear of being disliked or becoming a pariah scares them to death. for others, the fear of meaning nothing to other people (effectively becoming a ghost, unloved and unhated) is tantamount to death. the way i see it, the only true winning move is to only entertain people as long as they entertain you, and then you drop them whenever the relationship stops being mutually convenient. you would think this is how it is *supposed* to work, but in fact it is not. typically, people expect constant appeasement by way of 'check ins' and hanging out just for the sake of keeping the connection going.
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now this isn't to say there is anything wrong with that as long as it is good for both people, but often i find people latch on to others like this because they are afraid of being alone. thus, the relationship stops existing for the relationship's sake, and it is zombified just because it's less painful (and perhaps less effort) to keep trying to resuscitate a dying friendship endlessly then to go make a new one. i personally think this is why it is so hard to make friends as an adult, people form cliques in high school and then spend all their energy keeping that one alive rather than letting it end and finding new friends, and when the thing finally dies (or implodes in unfortunate cases,) whatever social muscle they had for meeting new people has long since atrophied, and they retreat into the internet (hey… wait a minute!) for social sustenance. being a hermit is based because you can have your cake and eat it too, if you're like me at least. i don't speak for hardcore extroverts, but i don't think anyone worth being can be truly sustained by playing these games all day.

>>82238
i've seen that niggas videos before, and something irks mi about xim
i think its the lack of pushback he gives. this video, for instance, kinda assumes that other people arent vibematching you
when another person gives him shit, his first thought isnt
>hey, whats going on here? whats the reason/purpose of this?
but instead
>ah dood freaking normies dood i need to reflect their bad behavior right back take THAT goycattle!
which is, ironically enough, very normie-coded in that 'stand up to your bullies bro!' (and get your ass whooped) or 'kid gets SAVAGE revenge on his bullies!'
this strategy will get you into vicious cycles of coworker shitflinging instead
>omfg god, did Sandra just make fun of my shoes??! that fucking bitch! I'm going to ignore her suggestions at the next meeting
<omfg!!! Did Katie just like, totally ignore me?! what a fucking bitch! I'm going to…
etc, i've seen this irl and it does NOT work out
its usually more useful to know where the smoke and heat you get is coming from, because relatively few people will hate you for being (You), they mostly dont care
that doesnt mean you need to let yourself get pushed around, but obsessing over it doesnt help
when you know the reason behind it you can vibematch to take the root cause away, so to speak, and I think thats preferable to being a salty clittyleaking sperg

TANGENT; on the bullying question
he actually gets into the bullying in the video, and guess what he never fought back but thinks he should've
his parents were right doe
best case you whoop their asses (unlikely) and you do get suspended/juvie/some psychiatrist gets involved
if you didnt get caught by a teacher then you have a highschool-long bloodfeud on your hands and you'd better get yourself some buddies asap (impossible for spergs)
most likely however, is that you get angry and they whoop you, and now you're known as an easy target
if you dont throw the first punch nobody knows how hard you can hit, if you dont fight your bullies they dont know yet how much damage you can do
if you lose, they know you CANT fight back, and they now know that they can do whatever they want to you
if the bullying is really bad, and you're getting beat up anyway, sure, but that doesnt really happen all that much

I get the sense he doesnt understand 'turning the other cheek', he thinks its about tolerating everything, when in the bible its moreso something stoic
Its a lesson not to lose your composure in situations like that, that the most valuable thing you have is not some toy a kid takes from you on the playground, but your dignity as a man
imagine if Christ had a george floyd fent freakout at his arrest and was killed, even that would be worse than getting crucified alongside criminals, because he'd have lost all his izzat
nobody would've remembered a spergy Christ who fought the romans and lost.

[the body was too long award]
>>82251
>(at least for me, but you may have more social stamina than i do)
>this is where the real danger lies, since sheep are going to be sheep they often congregate in large groups lead by a psycho (the real threat) or run by clan-like cliques (friend groups within friend groups, each with their own politics, loyalties, in jokes and drama) which you then have to placate along with the group as a whole. this politicking is exhausting if you're doing it right, since you have to play both sides while also keeping your nose clean. the art of fence-sitting is anything but leisurely, and if you want to make it long-term you need to master it lest you lock yourself out of one or both avenues of opportunity
I probably dont, one started explaining his drama to me and I made fun of it a little.
usually I'll shut it down with something like 'sure, but we dont want to talk behind his back, do we?'
<this is goycattlemindcontrol, because you use 'we' you're already telling him 'I'm sure you're better than this'
<followed up by the 'do we?' you are begging him to disagree, which will make him lose izzat
<at this point he'll realize theres no gain to involving you in drama
i've been in big dramatic blowouts between friends and once you remind them of how stupid and petty that shit is they'll stop
>the only way to get above these things is to simply make yourself completely unavailable unless it's on your terms. see, being a hermit doesn't mean total isolation. it just means you get to choose whether or not you engage in this shit.
I get what you mean, but being social doesnt mean you have to dirty your soul, I'd like to think I've kept my hands clean
(I'll admit I do enjoy hearing about their stupid fucking dramas)
>typically, people expect constant appeasement by way of 'check ins' and hanging out just for the sake of keeping the connection going.
I must filter those people out pretty quickly because I've never had this
I think its a 'niggas with nothing better to do than smoking weed' kindof thing, just find people that do have something to do besides socializing, there are more people like that out there than you'd think
they might be harder to meet since they've got something to do though

>>82258
>usually i'll shut it down
i don't do this, but it's probably the smarter option. typically, i like to squeeze as much information as i can out of people so i can get a full picture of what is really going on. the benifits of this are two-fold, since i can make as rational of a decision with who i throw my lot in with (since you cant fence-sit forever) and i can use some of the info i've gathered in the future for the purposes of ingratiating myself to other parties (depending on how you frame what you know, you can make it seem like you agree with whomever approaches you without giving away your position as neutral, which could mark you as untrustworthy thus unfit for the juiciest morsels) both during the drama and after the fact. i also love gossip, so being able to see the whole picture makes it more interesting. i like to wait until i have to stress neutrality to bring it up, since the line of thought usually dies quickly after that if the one i'm talking to is thinking with their brain and not their heart. i suppose the right approach depends on what you want from the situation, if you just want out of the loop i would prefer your approach, but i like to min/max my social credit gains and if you play your cards right you can gain trust and clout with the offender and offended without losing too much yourself. but i think this is where our experience differs, instead of walking away i keep myself involved so i can profit as much as possible from the in-fighting which is probably what tired me out so fast. trying to appease everyone is exhausting and not worth it in the long run when you can just vibe and individuate yourself further by staying out of conflict, allowing yourself to make steady social gains over the long term without risking the burning of bridges.

>being social doesn't have to dirty your soul
i agree. i think if you stay true to what you really want rather than playing a game with people >because you just have to ok! is better than what i was doing. reading back over what i wrote and reflecting upon other musings i've made personally i can't help but feel like i did this to myself. i spent my time trying my best to win brownie points for literally no tangible benefit other than the ability to manipulate people easier rather than filtering the normies for people i could actually be friends with, rather taking what i could get and squeezing as much value out of that as possible. i have been taught that you get what you ask for, and i fear i spent most of my life asking for trouble.

>i must filter those people out
this i think is the core of our difference in experience. i just accepted whatever blew my way because i thought that was just what you were supposed to do, whereas there was a much better (if not more painful, boundaries are not easy to keep if you are weak) way to do it. another thing i would like to note is that many of my assertions on the way things are done is likely a projection of what i think and see rather than a true reflection of reality, so i thank you for challenging me with your own experience. many people in my life do not/can not talk about stuff like this with me, so i don't get a chance to 'sharpen my sword' as it were. i wish more people irl were like this so i don't have to scurry back to the fucking sharty for some intellectual conversation. but, of course, such woes are likely just symptoms of hermitage. i really should get out more.

>>82257
he didn't advocate to sperg out on people when they are being negative, he's just saying to match their general energy. If someone is giving negative energy you just ignore them you don't confront them like in some big movie scene, most people irl won't outwardly fuck with you unless they are bolstered by a big group. the only time you should confront people is if it gets physical but other than that don't overthink it and act according to your first-impression.
>>ah dood freaking normies dood i need to reflect their bad behavior right back take THAT goycattle!
I don't think he said that, you obviously can't match someone's direct energy and not get punished for it just beaware of it, don't get attached, and if someone isn't talking to you or is being negative just take note of it and limit ur interactions with that person.
>>its usually more useful to know where the smoke and heat you get is coming from, because relatively few people will hate you for being (You)
I don't think people are as complex as you think, there isn't some deep seeded trauma that most people have that dictate how they think, its just how they are. If your first interactions and gut-instinct tell you a person is giving negative energy, they are giving negative energy and that should be the end of it. It's not your job to figure out the machinations of normies more than half the time there is none its just their character.
>he actually gets into the bullying in the video, and guess what he never fought back but thinks he should've
his parents were right doe
evendoe his parents were wrong, I know atp its just my experiences vs yours but in MY experience fighting back actually does something you just have to be smart about it the idea that someone who is a "bully" has a gang and will fuck you up is kind of a 90s thing in the modern era most people are too afraid of confrontation and just want to do things with the least amount of static. By fighting back, even if you get your ass kicked (As long as it isn't super easy for the bully and they just destroy you effortlessly) you have already made yourself too much work for them to waste time on
>Last paragraph on getting your ass kicked and being a martyr
that's a whole other thing about suffering for no reason and generating loosh for entities and shit but that deserves its own thread tbh.

>>82262
>i don't do this, but it's probably the smarter option. typically, i like to squeeze as much information as i can out of people so i can get a full picture of what is really going on. the benifits of this are two-fold, since i can make as rational of a decision with who i throw my lot in with (since you cant fence-sit forever) and i can use some of the info i've gathered in the future for the purposes of ingratiating myself to other parties (depending on how you frame what you know, you can make it seem like you agree with whomever approaches you without giving away your position as neutral, which could mark you as untrustworthy thus unfit for the juiciest morsels) both during the drama and after the fact.
>if you just want out of the loop i would prefer your approach, but i like to min/max my social credit gains and if you play your cards right you can gain trust and clout with the offender and offended without losing too much yourself.
Now that I think about it, I realize I'm not that out of the loop
One corposlop personality test I did was green (consensus maxxer/keeping the social peace) and if thats true it might not be JSID for the sake of JSID
Ironically enough I think people who talk to me about drama might do so because i'll relativise whatever drama they're caught up with, and deep down that probably appeals to them
but again this might just be that filtering, i dont appease people too much, so i get people who dont mind hearing a conflicting opinion around me
It wont appeal to everyone of course, but those people wont bother me with it

i also noticed something interesting:
>so i thank you for challenging me with your own experience. many people in my life do not/can not talk about stuff like this with me, so i don't get a chance to 'sharpen my sword' as it were. i wish more people irl were like this
>i spent my time trying my best to win brownie points
I guess niggas irl might be trying to score brownie points with you as well (dont be too hard on them though)
they might be more like you than you think

>if not more painful, boundaries are not easy to keep if you are weak
I've never thought of it as boundaries once, I dont think most people would

>>82271
>the idea that someone who is a "bully" has a gang and will fuck you up is kind of a 90s thing in the modern era
my experiences with bullying (as a bystander as well) were solely groups vs individuals, but europe might be very different in that regard
only one time I saw a group vs group confrontation, but never one-on-one bullying
if it is one-on-one fighting back becomes more of an option
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I did one time jump a bully in middle-school, but it just made things worse and i had to transfer away (because he had friends and I didnt)
looking back think bullying is largely izzatfarming (or harvesting the victims loosh, more on christmaxxing later)
if you have no reaction they'll quit, its the freakouts that keep them going because it increases their izzat by comparison
similarly, when that guy lost izzat, he came to get it back

>I don't think people are as complex as you think, there isn't some deep seeded trauma that most people have that dictate how they think, its just how they are
it doesnt have to be 'trauma' or anything dramatic, they might, for instance, not like you because you're not direct and kind of haze you for it (he'll do this unconsciously, probably)
in that case vibematching doesnt work: you'll maybe avoid him, but this'll only piss him off even more, because you're being even more indirect and non-confrontational
instead, taking a step back and realizing what his problem is with you will allow you to kind of work with it by being more direct with him
(I'll admit i'm talking from experiences in a context where you cant disengage and have to cooperate, if you dont need anything from him theres of course no reason to do this)

>that's a whole other thing about suffering for no reason and generating loosh for entities and shit but that deserves its own thread tbh.
this is kindof the thing I was getting at, Christ suffered without generating loosh
if you cant do that you're kind of fucked in a bullying scenario, your negative energy feeds them (like demons maybe)
it does take a certain mindset though, and if you cant do it you cant do it, but i think its an admirable goal
<christmaxxing space
my most general problem with him is that every single one of his videos seems to be made to tell xis viewers what he thinks xey want to hear, and that feels slimy to mi
also the wizard larp makes me cringe

i was reminded there was a good louis rosmann video on bullying

>>82272
>i guess niggas irl might be trying to score brownie points with you
if they are, then they don't go about it the right way. i have a mean habit of getting up on a soapbox and autisticly preaching about whatever philosophy i happen to be kicking around my head at the time (somewhat similar to what i'm doing now) whenever the conversation i'm having veers in that direction. whenever i do this, people just nod along with whatever i'm saying, and whenever i prompt them to comment they just say some bullshit like "wow yeah i never thought about that before." i guess what else are you supposed to say when a retard starts spergspaining to you but i really wish someone would disagree, or say something to add to or alter my worldview instead of agreeing and moving on. i don't suppose this is because i'm misreading the room because it isn't like the responses are awkward or anything, it just isn't anything for me to latch on to until i change the subject. if someone did that to me i would play devil's advocate (i often do. sometimes to ragebait, most times it's because i like to argue.) or something, but i could only find 2 (two) people irl with more than one braincell to rub together (both women strangely) and one was already spoken for. the other chick i didn't pursue because her ass wasn't fat enough, and i honestly regret that very very much (what i get for being shallow, anyhow.)
<filtering space
>i've never thought of it as boundaries once
i don't see the need for distinction between a filter and a boundary. i assume you filter people based on what you do/don't like or what you will/will not tolerate and set boundaries based on those that determine who you let into your life and who you keep away. in my mind at least, the filter is a boundary you set with others to keep them out.

nahhhh this bluddy really think he tuff when he really need his meds doe