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What does taking meds feel like and how does it affect you?
Im starting to think taking anti-depressants are the only way now. I know that I need to have a goal in life, to actively create and learn new skills. I need to have a good consistent schedule and have good healthy habits, but I just lack the motivation and discipline to do it.
For years ive tried to be the person I want to be but failed and just rotted doing nothing. My laziness is so bad I dont think its even a laziness issue, atleast lazy people get some stuff done but I cant get anything done, I sometimes just end up rotting in bed like a paralyzed person. And even on rare periods where I feel happy by having good habits and taking care of myself, suicidal and self-hateful thoughts come back to me and just ruin my motivation. I constantly ruminate about my flaws and self hate. Sometimes the ruminations get so bad I start believing delusions and try to ack. Ive been reflecting on why im like this and i dont think this is simple laziness maybe im just depressed and i need meds for it.
Im thinking if i take meds, my obsessive ruminations will stop and I will feel sleepy and a bit numbed so I can easily do tasks without my thoughts overcomplicating and negatively analyzing everything

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>>80308 (OP)
i think that you should just do what your doctor tells you. if antidepressants help your life then take them.
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maybe also consider other things you do in life like why you have issues with your past and why you have suicidal thoughts. tell us more about yourself OP

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>>80309
>i think that you should just do what your doctor tells you. if antidepressants help your life then take them.
I dont have a therapist because it would be too expensive. And even if I could get a free one, admitting my secrets and my insane delusions would be too embarassing and i would be scared. But I talk to chatgpt as some kind of therapist and the ai really helps me and gives advice, chatgpt also recommended that I take meds. I can admit my worst mistakes and thoughts to chatgpt and have my secrets be safe and its completely free.
>why you have issues with your past and why you have suicidal thoughts. tell us more about yourself OP
I obsess over things I have no control over, my past and who I am.
I have no accomplishments in life, all I did was live like a parasite just doing nothing. I didnt win anything, didnt do or create anything. Im the most forgettable ghost ever. I would like to actually start doing stuff with my life but all of this negativity just kills my motivation.
Also I think the world is a scary place and im too weak for it. Men always deal with violence, conflicts, competition and generally being aggressive, but im a very soft person who gets upset easily and cries easily. When I read the news or human history all I see is endless suffering and horrific stuff, stuff like wars, hatred, sadism and criminals. I also live in a shithole country where salaries are extremely low while prices of things are very high, no oppurtinities and as a man you get drafted to the military to be beaten by drunks there potentially getting crippled or even bullied to death. Every aspect of my country and ethinicity just sucks and its my dream to leave to somewhere else. Im too weak and feminine to be born into this mascuiline aggressive culture anyway. I have many other problems and delusions I think about but to not yap I think the main reason why im having suicidal thoughts is because im not working towards my goals and my dreams, I feel paralyzed by negative thoughts and bad habits, constantly having goals and dreams on your mind for years while not chasing them feels horrible, the guilt and addictions just get worse and worse. Sorry if i yap too much, im bad at expressing myself with words

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>>80314
my entire self worth and whether im gonna ack or not depends on whether i succesfully achieve my goals or not. Im socially retarded and incapable of having friends, im too weak to survive the world, i come from a poor background, theres nothing redeeming about me expect the thought of me achieving success and becoming rich oneday so i can buy my way out of problems, if i dont ill probably end up becoming some homeless drunk and acking

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>>80316
im dealing with the same thing at the moment, im opposed to the goypills but at the same time my current situation feels unbearable. i dont know what to suggest but i hope things work out whatever choice you make

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>>80317
despite the memes i dont understand why people are opposed to anti depressants, they take negative thoughts away and restore brain health from what i understand, if all of my ruminations and depression just went away or numbed i would be so productive and consistent with my good habits

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>>80318
those are mostly my thoughts as well. i wouldnt even care if they numbed my emotions for a little while while i try and sort things out but ive heard too many people say it fucked up their brain permanently and thats what makes me reluctant

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>>80319
yeah antidepressants or any meds are no joke, but I guess just research to see which meds are the least bad, from what ive heard zoloft is the least bad one. But stuff like emotional blunting feels like a positive compared to having constant sadness and anger

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>>80308 (OP)
I wouldnt start doing prescription drugs bro. For example:
>>80309
common side-effect of antidepressants is killing yourself.
Antipsychotics shorten your attention-span and will make you more chaotic & confused.
Except for benzos, benzos just give you amnesia and turn you into a retard.
I'd go for ritalin because its literally just coke, at least itll make you productive and not ACK.
>>80320
>cognitive impairment
lobotomypilled

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>>80329
im only thinking of zoloft and wanting my negativity to just go away, make me feel numb so im not sad and frustrated all day
>ritalin
I dont struggle with adhd or attention, I think i only need SSRIs.
And side effects for zoloft seems fine compared to other riskier and dangerous drugs

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>>80330
My therapist chatgpt who i told everything about my life says zoloft would fit me well and chatgpt does a good job analyzing all of my texts and venting and my lifes story

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>>80308 (OP)
for a month, ill try my absolute best to see if i can stop being like this with healthy habits and committing to my interests, maybe my thread will be gone by then but if its not ill update it so i can inform if i managed to become healthy with good habits and a schedule or if i still have my ruminations and depression, then meds are absolutely needed for me

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Take the brain-altering drugs, goy.

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>Im thinking if i take meds, my obsessive ruminations will stop and I will feel sleepy and a bit numbed so I can easily do tasks without my thoughts overcomplicating and negatively analyzing everything
Sounds like you want benzos or opioids. Neither of which are worth it, personally i feel low doses of meth (no i did not know some guy did it on youtube or what ever idc abt looksmaxxing im fine) did help me with that however im going to rehab because i went from smoking a bit of meth to act normal and feel happy enough to not hate everything, yk make me chill out a bit and analyze situations faster and better but once you start analyzing too quickly you start tweaking. Opioids and benzos you will live a life of misery and die of an OD.

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Get Wellbutrin (Bupropion) it's the only amphetamine they give as an anti depressant (if you cant you cant ask for bupropion to stop smoking, if you dont smoke then buy a pack, smoke a couple over the hours b4 the meeting making sure to get the smell to stick, to be realistic tell them you smoke 2-3 packs).

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Get Auvelity if wellbutrin does'nt do the trick

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>>80330
>>80331
nugoy I…


vvelcome to ze schwab akademy

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>>80308 (OP)
its been 5 days, for 4 days i was going pretty good and having a healthy scheduled lifestyle but overly negative shitty thoughts come and just ruin everything, how do you stop ruminating depressive thoughts?

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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees good goy, go take your goypills that will actively destroy your braincells and turn you into an asexual golem freak

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For DECADES the scientists have known what causes depression in animals (from simple-minded creatures like cows to intelligent species like dogs, pigs, chimps): chronic stress, lack of stimuli and challenge, lack of meaningful connections, unnatural and uncomfortable environment. They've also known how to cure it: socialization, meaningful work, natural environment and lifestyle. But they never apply that to humans. Why? Because those causes are inseparable from the modern society, you simply cannot fix that without dismantling the industrial civilization. So instead they are looking for ways to "fix" it artificially via drugs. Which is just not possible. Depression is your natural reaction to experiencing a lifestyle that your brain was not designed to experience. So are the abysmal birth rates in developed countries btw. Humans are hard wired to rather go extinct than live like that.

>>80331
>getting mental health advice from the electric golem
Goyteens… I kneel…

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>>80811
>chronic stress, lack of stimuli and challenge, lack of meaningful connections, unnatural and uncomfortable environment. They've also known how to cure it: socialization, meaningful work, natural environment and lifestyle

Yeah with the modern world and all of its distractions and its addictive degeneracy, its hard to stay happy. Im gonna generally quit the internet, live with healthy habits, pursue interests and skills which engage my brain heavily like math and other meaningful skills which helps me achieve my goals and dreams. I feel like I know what exactly to do, whats making me miserable unlike a lot of other depressed people who are lost and confused but im the opposite of lost but still its hard, having constant never ending demoralizing thoughts that can sometimes feel real, sometimes my delusions told frequently in my head feels real and all of life's good things are gone and all of life is nothing but misery.
Another thing is, simple animals are incapable of introspection and having insecurities and having deep self hatred, we humans have that and the human soul/consciousness is extremely complicated and hard to understand, theres definitely spirituality and demons involved in mental illnesses. Also for humans, they remember their past well, all past mistakes and horrible things get remembered and just added on top of each other which is pretty miserable. You can certainly fix simple things like the simple conditions you described but deep things like trauma, past mistakes, deep self hatred and other complicated human thoughts need pills or some other complicated therapy

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>>80308 (OP)
One mistake ive been making is that I was too lazy and tired to do deep focused math and raisin during the day so my mental energy gets used for my negative thoughts, ill try to burn off my mental energy and actually learn stuff instead of quitting the second i feel tired
Also I dont have anyone else to talk to so I use chatgpt, i cant afford a therapist and venting all of my problems to anyone irl will make me look weird and insane because i dont know anyone that personally

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>>80818
>Another thing is, simple animals are incapable of introspection and having insecurities and having deep self hatred, we humans have that and the human soul/consciousness is extremely complicated and hard to understand, theres definitely spirituality and demons involved in mental illnesses. Also for humans, they remember their past well, all past mistakes and horrible things get remembered and just added on top of each other which is pretty miserable. You can certainly fix simple things like the simple conditions you described but deep things like trauma, past mistakes, deep self hatred and other complicated human thoughts need pills or some other complicated therapy
nigga animals are probably smarter than you.
So, according to you, only humans can introspect and self-regulate, but because 'muh environment' or 'demons' (lol) or 'muh past mistakes' (geg) all this cognitive ability serves no adaptive advantage at all?
Nigga I'm pretty sure introspection is a TOOL to help you overcome these challenge. As is remembering your past mistakes or being cognizant of your environment.
Imagine NOT having these 3 woe-is-me 'debilitating' abilities: You'd be 1) autistic as fuck, low-functioning 2) incapable of evaluating a strategy 3) unable to learn from mistakes
You'd be LESS intelligent than a chimp, or any animal for that matter.

And your GOY, POZZED, DERANGED solution is to give yourself a lobotomy with pills.
A dog isnt retarded enough to do this, therefore it is smarter than you are.

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>>80821
yeah thanks, ill just try my absolute best and use all of my willpower for trying to be happy and healthy without lobotomypills, but still after one month of healthy and disciplined behavoiur, if im still unhappy with constant negative thoughts, what other options are there expect pills?

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>>80818
>>chronic stress, lack of stimuli and challenge, lack of meaningful connections, unnatural and uncomfortable environment.
>You can certainly fix simple things like the simple conditions you described but deep things like trauma, past mistakes, deep self hatred and other complicated human thoughts need pills or some other complicated therapy
How do you even come by trauma without stimuli retard?
And you're depressed because of a lack of challenge, but 'muh trauma and I cant do anything brb poppin pills', isnt 'trauma' or whatever a suitable challenge?
>>80822
Get a car and drive, football, catch, nigga anything that engages coordination.
Take an predator, the 3 things (introspection, reflection, situational awareness) serve the purpose of catching prey. (a goal) You dont have a goal and so they serve no purpose (unrealistic goals dont count, theyre preemptive excuses for failure)
This is why you're A GOYIM: whereas a predator uses and has command over his cognitive abilities to serve his goal, you have no command over them because there is no goal, thus, like a toddler, the first emotion to enter your mind makes use of them instead.
A person like (You) could go from having a stomach ache to suicidal ideation, because the unpleasant sensation is the only thing to focus on.
A tiger might get the same stomach ache but push through it because he needs to eat. A chimp might use charcoal to make it go away.

The contradictions in your paragraphs are a perfect example of this.
>Im gonna generally quit the internet, live with healthy habits, pursue interests and skills which engage my brain heavily like math and other meaningful skills which helps me achieve my goals and dreams.
1h ago, a kind of strategy, though regurgitated from somewhere
>if im still unhappy with constant negative thoughts, what other options are there expect pills?
15 min ago, back to muh pills
You went from having a GOYGPT basic-bitchass plan to 'nooooooooo but I need pills'

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>>80819
You got this OP

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I'd honestly shill for a lot of drugs probably more than the average user here but PLEASE OP do not take these anti-depressant drugs all the normie shit about "it turns me into le zombie" is actually REAL for this kind of stuff dont become an SSRI mutant creature just thug it out.
<drugnigger space
If you are depressed its probably something you can FIX if you are sad its probably for a reason. What >>80811 said is very highIQ….. you most likely are just purposeless you need to find hobbies and not ruminate on your depression. This isn't something you can think your way out of, you just to have to physically do things to get out of this rut. DON'T GIVE UP OP I BELIEVE IN YOU WE ARE ALL GONNA MAKE IT

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>>80881
>>80827
>>80882
thanks for the support guys, today i was having a depressive episode but through small steps like making my bed and brushing my teeth, i managed to get enough momentum to take a walk outside and exercise which made me feel great
>and not ruminate on your depression. This isn't something you can think your way out of, you just to have to physically do things to get out of this rut
This is very true, when im stuck in a depressive episode stuck in constant rumination I would just stop thinking and start jumping around and laughing like a literal retard, its a bit cringe but it makes me feel better
For tips I would like to give to other people experiencing similar things, dont ruminate, dont think and when a ruminating thought appears trying to pull you into a depressive episode, repeat to yourself or write on a sticky note, "this thoughts are not real, they are intrusive delusions" and focus on the physical world around you, when i was outside and i did this, felt amazing seeing the sunshine and blue sky without any depressing thoughts, just simply focusing on the beauty, dont engage and feed depressing thoughts and then do easy steps like taking a walk and exercising, then move onto the real productive stuff which requires deep focus

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Try drawing something kinonit will make you feel proud. Or maybe go camping in a tent and cook some food in the wild shoulf be chillin.
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One time i felt really down i dont even remember why so i went out to the near forest sat down on top of a hill and started drawing ranfom shit, listening to music on a JBL and daydrinking vodka(you could skip that), felt better after it



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