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>>68728 (OP)>but i am still not sure if she actually likes me backI don't think it could be any more obvious.
<Tell us about her more. How did you meet her? What did you guys bond over?
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>>68730I met her on a cosplay gathering, she was very fun to talk to and we share alot of interests (cds, guitar, mostly music). She does have alot of
(((male))) friends from these events doe. (That makes me sort of paranoid now) When she was leaving she gave me her 'gram and told me she would like to stay in contact. She has started messaging me alot like 2 weeks after the we met for the first time.
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>>68734I mean she was messaging me when she was on the plane so i guess if out of all the people she could message it was me it could mean she wants to talk to me specifically (poster id changed because i am in a bus rn)
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>>68734>She does have alot of (((male))) friends from these events doe.This, combined with the typical archetypes of cosplay girls, should tell you to be cautious. Regardless, she chose to obsessively flirt with (You). You have a great opportunity, just roll with it and learn more about her.
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>>68772Today we had another conversation which she has iniciated (like she usually does) by "omg hello again". It was a bit shorter then it usually is, but she responded very quickly. I might be actually convinced that she likes me but i am going fucking schizo because i can't tell her my feelings right now and still can't believe the stories where people get toghether after 1 or 2 dates and get married o algo
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>>68807If my anecdote means anything to you, then I had an experience similar to you with my ex girlfriend. We started dating after the first date and she was all over me from the moment we met. You just get lucky and trigger the right chemicals inside some girl's brains, so you're essentially chad in their mind. This is a very common phenomenon among girls as proven by the existence of handsome chads, but it just happens that some girls are wired differently, some could say wrongly, to be attracted to chudcels like us. There is no doubt this girl likes you, so I'd say go for it once you know more about her.
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>>68809Thanks for the info, i think (considering she likes me) 2 or 3 more dates could do the job
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>>68809Now that i think about it i could ask her after the first date, what do (You) think?
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>>68734>similar interestsThats a good sign but what about values and politics? Values matter the most because, if you ever end up having children what values would you teach them? And with politics its gonna get brought up eventually
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>>>68734
>>similar interests
>Thats a good sign but what about values and politics? Values matter the most because, if you ever end up having children what values would you teach them? And with politics its gonna get brought up eventually
Trve but OP shoudlnt be close to worrying about that, if he talks to violently or obsessive about politics he might come off as a freak chud and blow his cover. Not saying he shouldn't see what she believes but at least don't be too radical before even knowing each other.
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the honeymoon phase will end eventually and what will remain is values and Agape/Eros. Not to say your relationship will become and remain dispassionate. But you want to check for values and long-term stability.
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>>68869>>68873I will agree that shared political opinions are preferred, but i don't think it's necessary in the early phases of meeting her
Today we were talking again, this time i have started the conversation, but her replies were still very fast, optimistic and lively. What i've noticed is that she now writes words with extra last letters (something like "helloooo" or "yipieee") and now adds a purple heart reaction to alot of my messages. I told her i can't wait to hang out and drink energy drinks (yeah) with her on sunday and she said some raisin like "friendship goals" and "alcoholic for energy drinks with friends" o algo, so i am not quite sure she wants to meet me a bit more than as friend. I asked her if she wants to message me tommorow and she said "of courseee"
The main problem is that i have no clue if i am doing an impression on her. I am going absolutely schizo over the fact i am not sure if i am getting somewhere. A definitive answer (even if negative) is something that would finally stop my paranoia, because i'd be sure what i did. I am not sure how to flirt with her, so if you have any tips, i'll gladly appreciate them
The question still stands: Do i ask her after the first date (before i go totally nuts)?
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>>68908I could go on a meltdown any minute and tell her my feelings and it's really getting on my mental state
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>>68728 (OP)>>68734>>68807>>68814>>68908you're overthinking this. Try looking at this from her perspective and become trans o algo: You meet a new guy and he shares some pretty vague interests with him, he's not from your friend group but just fun to be around.
She might like you, and maybe she will like you a lot if you hang out more (proximity is the best predictor of whether or not 2 ppl get into a relationship)
Or she thinks of you as a friend, in which case you'll be introduced to her friend group soon to hang out with allem.
Or, depending on how you look at it, you're a passing curiousity or a manic pixie dreamboy. Which isnt the worst thing to be and does not exclude the possibility of getting laid.
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>>68914It is an interesting alternative to look at it like this, however i just feel like all this girfriend and "how are you doinggg???" raisin feels very flirty to me, so i'll still give it a shot of course
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All of her male friends are in her dms doing the exact same thing good luck
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>>68864>>68814It could not be more obvious that she likes you. I think you should probably wait to ask on second date doe, but I think you have a great chance asking on first date too.
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>>68962Yes, asking her on a second date sounds like a good idea
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>>69012Stupid fucking super sage
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>>69012we all need a girl like this, lucky 'tist got a fellow 'tistic girl
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its a coin toss she either likes you or you're gonna kill yourself like a fag out of sadness once you find out she's getitng smashed by 4 chads at once
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>>69012She likes you, it's so obvious. My ex girlfriend I told you about also used ":3". That's how e-girls try to get attention from men. She wants your attention because she most likely really obviously has a crush on you.
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>>69149Wdym she was bitter? It feels unrelated to what you've written in the beginning
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>>69151Sorry my esl ass didn't use the word bitter right. She later explained some older nigger was talking shit about her. She was really angry and trauma dumped me (i'd like to believe she now has trust in me and shares some personal information). Now she's sending a lot of photos of herself and her room so i think i am back on track
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>>69012random question but has she been groomed or 'aped?
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>>69149>>69155most mentally stable woman award
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>>69149what weird things are there about your parents? Why would anyone get freaked over someeone talking about their parents
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>>69157I presume she wasn't
>>69160She is so fucking crazy i can't believe that she functions this way
>>69165She was mostly surprised that they know about her, so i explained that i didn't really think about it so i told them about her. My mother likes horror books and films and all that raisin so she was "scared" of her, but again, later she said it was mostly amusing.
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>>68728 (OP)Today we were talking regularly, she asked me how i am doing, labeled me as her 1# autist again, shared photos of herself and the raisin she did and was curious when i get back home from my holiday. She is still really hyped about our sunday meetup. I usually ask her to message me tommorow, but i am not going to say it today to see if she messages me without being asked to
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>>68728 (OP)Op here, this will be my nu poster id
Ok so our first date's coming up tommorow, any tips? (that don't involve her getting 'aped or indoctrinated to sharty culture please). She seems more excited than i am actually.
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>>69467Let her speak about what she wants and ask questions. If she's talking about a hobby or interest, keep asking her questions about it. Don't be afraid to speak about your interests, especially if she asks you. This will make you seem interesting to her and will likely result in more bonding if there's a shared interest. Other than that, just be polite and don't do a movie date for the first date. Movie dates have you interact with each other very little meaning it doesn't work for trying to learn about the other person.
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>>69467>wordswordswordswordsAlright, so It's behind me. To be honest it went certainly well. First we began a trip to the shopping mall. She was very talkative and energetic, so much that she lost her breath for a moment. She carried most of the conversations. Sadly my plan with the ramen didn't work out today, but we have it planned for another date (i'll get to that later). She didn't really make that much eye contact, but she did it even when we first met in person or now that she feels something for me (probably), she might have felt a bit nervous or shy. We had a very good time at the shopping mall, I bought her a drink and we were talking about various topics. I told her that I have a hard time iniciating conversations and asked her text me and she said "Sure". We then got to the topic of friends, where she was talking about their relationships. Then I forced myself to say "What about you? Are you single?". She didn't even hesitate and while looking in my eyes and smilling she said "YES YES". Later she got to talk about her friend who was telling her after a week they met that he likes her and has a crush on her, which she commented as "fairly strange" and "we didn't have that much things in common anyway", however later added "Not like with you, I feel like you and I have alot in common". We also took our cameras, and she took a photo of me and smiled. After our drink in the shopping mall we went to the park. The moment there was a bit more silent, but still enjoyable. It was nice to see her trying to keep the talking. I had to go to the train station soon after and where she waited with me for the train. On our way there, we were talking about our favourite foods, where she suggested she'd love to go to the ramen restaurant on friday. I was really happy at that point. When the train arrived, I told her "You are really cool" and she replied with "You are too". I told her that if she survives she can message me tommorow, and she said "I can message you today aswell" (She did and told me she is very excited for the ramen, I said "me too" and she loved it). Then we both our ways but I said "If there's time, we can still talk". She really liked that and said "Alrightt :33". I'll see what we talk about today, but I believe i have made an impression on her.
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>>69599Any tips on what to do now? It seems like we can be much more open about liking each other right now, doe i want to take smaller steps
>>68945Literally found out today that i am the only one that she actually messages, i don't count some online nigger friend that she never really met
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>>69601Sorry if I'm not being helpful, but there isn't much for me to say now. You've already got her exactly where you want her to be. You could ask her to be your girlfriend at the very start of the next date and I bet she would say yes. It would be better for you to wait until after the date or after the third, but I am saying this to emphasize that she is all over you now. There is really no need for a plan or to take small steps, just keep being you. It's pretty clear that you are what she likes, so what need is there to think "I should do X at Y and then Z" when you both have already likely rationalized that you want and are willing to enter a relationship with each other? If she asked you right now to be her boyfriend, what would you say? Just let go and enjoy the moment; you won.
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It a grand plan for BBC she only ever got interested in you after you brought up that nigger and when you introduce her to nigger its over from there
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>>69635Honestly what you're saying is right. She is interested and still talks to me, so it shouldn't be a problem. The next logical step is just asking her. Today she said she'd like to take me to the cinema next month. She probably thinks of doing stuff together long into the future. It does look good so far
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>>69635Theres no need to for him to ask her out right away, if she is shy then it would be best for him to just continue doing irl stuff with her while she opens up more.
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>>69696GET
>I don't think he should ask her out immediately, but I'm just saying if he did then I think she would say yes and there would be no consequences or any kind of trouble. I think OP should mainly wait until after the second or third date just so he can get more information on her, but I just want him to know that she's under his thumb and he doesn't need to worry at all about her saying no at any point unless he stalled asking her out for months and she lost interest.
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>>69696I don't really think he should wait too long. Girls never really open up like this and wait for the boy to ask them the exclusivity question.
>>69717Trvke, especially when she wants to take him to the cinema a month later
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>>68728 (OP)Stop giving OP advice, this is his canon event
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Just let it happen….
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Dont let it happen.
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>>69907don't fuck it up man. ask her directly on the second date she's being so obvious
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>>69580>friend who was telling her after a week they met that he likes her and has a crush on her, which she commented as "fairly strange" and "we didn't have that much things in common anyway", however later added "Not like with you, I feel like you and I have alot in common"You won the competition of men. You outcompeted other men, good job
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>>69907what are your guys careers? As a couple, how will the finance be?
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how good looking are you (dont say ur a 7/10 when youre average looking) and how tall are you
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this sounds so innocent and cute im so jealous
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>>69941We're still students
>>69927I can't because we're going to a cosplay venue together next day and it would be really awkward to be there with her if she declined, 3rd date it is then
>>69949I think I am 7/10, i have a haircut she likes, my skincare has improved and i am slim, doe my nose is really triangular. I am 173 cm tall.
It sucks that I can't really ask her on friday, because if i could, i'd do it asap. She seems so happy (reacts to almost all of my messages with a purple heart and messages me without being asked to and reminds me how excited she is for our next date) with me and i am too, but time is STILL ticking
Also sorry everyone for being such an ESL in this thread
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>>70028I height mog you btw
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>>70028>We're still studentsYou have to think about the future, and what kind of jobs you 2 will get
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>>70048i would advise against keeping this consideration. if they're in college this will be the last chance to find someone worthwhile to have a healthy meaningful relationship that lasts the rest of their lives. i also would ignore advice that says you HAVE to plan out your whole life together right now. you cross bridges when you get to them because they are in front of you. being single is super expensive. if you have an emergency you have no one to watch your back and get you to the ER. or pick you up with a second vehicle if it breaks on the road or drop you off at the airport. you basically need a roomate to survive your twenties in modern america, it doesnt matter if she makes 40k a year. having someone to split the cost even if it's uneven, that you also love and want to be with is easily worth whatever the difference could be.
<chungus spacethis is basically the worst reason ever to say "this wont work out". i am a mgtow 27 year old trucker, i think OP made a good find. if OP is reading, just dont downplay yourself. dont be a doormat: be proactive, but go with the flow. you made a great catch, and so did she. i wish you good luck that she isnt bipolar or out of nowhere starts doing treacherous woman shit. all women do dumb shit and they can be inconsistent or change suddenly, and modernity has granted them undue power. please dont let jaded retards like me ruin anything though this seems pretty ideal so far. it made my shitty chud day reading about this. thanks for sharing.
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>>70058We're still in high school and european doe, but i agree that it's better to have someone you love watch your back later in life. Maybe it could be her. Who knows? But in my opinion planning careers, children and political raisin even before actually dating her is fucking weird and comes of as creepy. Especially the children part
No problem chud, glad you're still reading
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>>70093marge how is it creepy, i was just thinking it was healthy long term planning, ive never dated someone and have no idea about relationships, does logical thinking not work in relationships and instead its just feelings and emotions and whatever creepy is or the ick
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>>70096>ive never dated someone and have no idea about relationshipsWell that explains that. This isn't to say you shouldn't plan for your future with someone at all, but you need to consider that finding true love is really difficult. The best settings to find kinship and relationships are at social meeting groups where you become familiar with everyone around you, like school, church and work. You have less of these opportunities when you grow older, and more importantly, the opportunities you could get often aren't worth it. Most women in our modern era definitely aren't virgins anymore by 30, and many girls are losing their virginity in their teens. It's unnecessary to be applying these practical elements to determine who you should be with when that isn't what determines those feelings you develop. Love is about transforming with and uplifting another, not this kind of contract where you need to already be within certain positions to receive mutual affection. This is not to say you should date a bum, but truly loving someone, not just being infatuated, means you recognize something within their soul; this can go against the practicality of the material needs and wants. This all especially applies to men, as we aren't looking for financially successful women. What's attractive is a woman who is caring and nurturing; one who will stay home and raise children, not the bossy and controlling woman who works HR at a company and does nothing all day while her kids are in the care of another authority. Adding these superficial, material requirements to your framework of "proper love" will ensure whoever you find will not be one you truly love. Operating under this mindset will likely leave you with no options until you're way older, which you'll then regret deeply as you missed out on the opportunity to truly love an innocent woman who loves you for love while you go through all of the HR slags on dating apps. If you care purely for your financial security then the optimal path is to not date at all.
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Run away. (((She))) is a fed.
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>>70101Thanks
>It's unnecessary to be applying these practical elements to determine who you should be with when that isn't what determines those feelings you develop>means you recognize something within their soul; this can go against the practicality of the material needs and wants.Thanks for this key idea, i suppose thats what makes love so different and special, its not a transaction like with a boss or a business partner, not for values exchanged, but because 2 people just want each other with no transaction or value, this is pretty good but hard to understand and grasp since its illogical
>If you care purely for your financial security then the optimal path is to not date at all.Thanks for the good advice, im just thinking that the most common cause for relationships/marriages to fall apart is financial stress and constant arguing over bills and expenses, in an optimal world, 2 lovers can just love each other without having to stress each other over finances and having to spend time working all day
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>>69907absolutely kys normalkike
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>>70113cuckjeets jealous, this isnt an incel space 4cuck
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>>68728 (OP)arlright, the date's tommorow. The question still stands: Do I ask her to date on the second date? Consider the following facts:
>regularly messages me first during the day>share photos of raisin she does>has mentioned a liked the idea of me finding a girlfriend in the near future>asks me how i am doing, gets a bit afraid when i don't text her back quick>has planned the second date and plans on taking me to the cinema a month ahead>i am the only single guy she messages/she hasn't cuckedBUT
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>>70139Do it. Lock in, 'teen. If this works well you can visit that cosplay venue together with an even more positive connotation.
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>>70121its literally r9k YALL BEING SO MAD ðŸ˜
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>>70107Thanks. It might be normie-tier cringe, but I remember watching a Sisyphus 55 video where it stated that love is madness. Love is madness because you both need to open up yourselves to be vulnerable and accept the change that comes with the embrace of each other. In the end, the result is something new, unpredictable, and powerful. It said something like that o algo, I'm just paraphrasing from the video, but it's to say that love isn't rational and often logically seems self-destructive, but yet it is self-destructive to try to ignore and escape it instead of embracing it.
>>70139Why not ask after the cosplay venue? I wouldn't want to wait so long before asking her at this point.
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>>70157>Why not ask after the cosplay venue?There'll probably be her friends and it just doesn't have the right atmosphere, i'd like to ask her somewhere calm and normally dressed geg. I don't want to wait either, yet i don't want feel like a cuck
(((if))) it goes wrong
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>>70167Is there a way you can be alone together at the end of the day?
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if she says no taxidermy her and keep her around your
house and pretend to talk to her like shes alive
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>>70185Yes i suppose
>>70190Literally the only good advice
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>>70139'teens please i want to hear more thoughts/opinions. the date is coming very soon
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>>70230yes bro life is all about risks, dont become an old man one day regretting not taking risks, thinking what would life be like if you asked this girl out because you were too scared at the moment
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>>70253Now she's asking what would it mean to date. Maybe i can still work this out
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>>70253absolute curveball… why are foids like this geg
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>>70254don't force/pressure her to date you btw, if it's over it's over just move on
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>>70256seems like it is o algo
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>>68728 (OP)kill and rape her
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>>70265dude be nice, you can still stay friends tbh. female friends are a great asset if you want to get laid
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also she seems like a nice girl, don't fuck her up mentally, tell her it's not her fault
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>>70265I'm so sorry OP, I feel like this is my fault, at least in part. I've been telling you this whole time it was so obvious she liked you and there would be no problem if you just went with it, even if I wanted you to still ask her at a strategic time. Can you tell us how the conversation went? When exactly did you confess your feelings? What did she say? What did you two argue about?
<The one thing I can say for certain wasn't your fault is the fact that she sent all of these flirtatious signals, yet she's apparently not over another man, or at least this is how I interpret you saying she "is dealing with some nigger which she doesn't like anymore". Again, I'm sorry OP.
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>>70269I said "remember how you mentioned that idiot who would be a 1000x more jealous if i'd find a gf in the near future? well i'd like to ask if you'd be the one". I asked her after i flirted with her and she started blushing alot.
I mentioned what she said in
>>70253. i still feel like the fact she started crying might mean that it really is alot for her to process and isn't playing games (doe foids can be extreme sometimes)
We argued after she said "What would it mean to date you?" i tried to explain (like fully believing the partner or just not being weird around eachother) but she still didn't really understand. She's still messaging me raisin, like "i fucked up, how do i fix this" or "what is it that you like about me?". so she probably still thinks about it but i hate the fact that (as you mentioned) she gave me all the flirtatious signals only to be "suprised".
As for the other nigger that might have totally fucked this whole thing - She told me about him when she was trauma dumping me a week ago (
>>69155). i honestly didn't expect her to answer negatively. it still seems like she genuinely doesn't know what to do. i don't believe i am a 100% cucked for her, but it's still very bumpy from now on. It's not over, just very difficult to continue.
Also none of this is your fault. I was glad you helped me and it was absolutely my decision to ask her on the second date and probably made her uncomfortable.
We'll see how it goes on the cosplay thing. Ev&doe I doubt anything will change, i still see how she's doing. I mean if something were to happen to one of us, it would probably be me because i feel genuinely used and toyed with and totally fucked.
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>>70265Don't wait and permit womens mind games, be assertive and/or dismissive
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>>70274I also have to say that seeing her cry was so horrible i actually wanted to kill myself. I never expected i'd see her cry. it was just so real. i know she was genuinely in distress and was absolutely broken
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>>70274There are still 2 options:
Hope for the best and still talk to her under the impression that she really does need more time and get her shit together after that different nigger
Or
Guilt-trip her to shits and make her think about it more
(Both suck)
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>>70274The cosplay venue sucked aswell, i told her i was leaving and on my way to the station she messaged me to stay. So i did and stayed with her friend group for a while. I told her i was leaving again and she wants me to text her back later. Honestly i got over her now. I don't really care, it's her who should try to make this relationship into something, because when i tried she didn't know what to do. Maybe i'll get a bit said when i get reminded of her or when i'll go to the places where we had good times together, but right now i can't do anything but wait . I'll stop updating this thread now
Thanks for the advice
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>>70274ah, you were just a friend
from what you mention I think I can explain her behaviour a little, I think her ex fucked her up. Crying at the mentioning of the possibility of a relationship is really extreme, even for women. Usually u'd expect immediate dismissal.
She probably has had really bad relationships in the past + fucked up parents, so her idea of a relationship is a bad one, ergo asking her out sounded to her like "hey I want to hurt you" o algo, and because she liked you she got confused and started crying.
I dont think she'll change. People imitate the same relationship they saw their parents act out over and over again. You can wait patiently for her to make up her mind but imo this + cosplay foid = defo got gigaraped/mindraped previously
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take her to a counceller or psychologist o algo
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>>70376Well I'm sorry it happened like this 'teen. Why did you get over her so quickly after the fact?
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>>70412>Why did you get over her so quickly after the fact?I just feel like i can't really do anything but leave it up to her and don't want to move forward anything from my side, since she confirmed that when i do, i might be going too fast for her. But atleast i can start focusing on myself, my actual friends, family and just start having fun. I've recently discovered the joy of playing video games and browsing wikipedia pages regarding my favourite topics. I am not giving up, but i want to let it resolve by itself rather than frantically try to fix it (and making even worse in the long run). She's also esentially bothering me right now by telling me how everything is wrong and when i try to comfort her she completely disregards me.
It just depends on her, i won't mind being rejected