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Hope you and your mother get raped by Somalians
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>>2773112 (OP)Most people in general are unintelligent doe. The argument I would of used is Aristotle's model for the uncaused cause that rationalizes the existence of a single, all powerful, all good God.
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>>2773135That is generally my go-to argument as well. I think I ought to get more familiar with TAG as well, Jay Dyer is always on about it.
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>>2773143>>2773135You aren't breeding figuring out how to articulate your schizophrenia.
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>>2773143What is TAG? Sorry if it's a retarded question.
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>>2773124what a horrible person
Minnesota orthodox is quite nice
wishing rape on nice people is bad
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>>2773150He always leaks just ignore him
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>>2773112 (OP)Shit tier wojak
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>>2773150I sincerely hope he is brutally raped to death in front his mother. And I seriously hope he prays to dead kike tonight instead of hitting the gym and actually doing something with his life.
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>>2773153Christians are as dumb and as clueless as niggers.
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>>2773146Transcendental Argument for God. It argues that if God exists, he has to be the foundation of all Reality and Logic, as well as to be All-Powerful and All-Knowing. That's my understanding of it at least.
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>>2773112 (OP)ive realized this Aswell but your average
>when you go to the playboi carti concert but your christian #godfirstkinda dimwit guy usually isn't going to have a great time debating a midwit redditor but they have the heart and try their best
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>>2773158Am I missing something? Isn't that already implied in being the uncaused cause?
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>>2773156Even doe xhe prays while working out like the based and Christpilled yes Chad memes.
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>>2773164its trve doe
and i hate kiwi farms
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>>2773158You are spiritually a nigger.
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>>2773165I would think so? I'm not very familiar with TAG so take my description with a grain of salt.
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>>2773172Do you have any resources to learn more?
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>>2773169It was an attempt to glorify you
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>>2773156what a mean person
go burn in hell mean person
your the nigger
now go on now to hell
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>>2773179he's mean but he's spitting facts, truth hurts
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>>2773178not true it says i hate fun
and it says im a whiny faggot
and i dont report tnd threads
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>>2773175Blow your brains out in front of as many members of your immediate family as possible.
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@Warrior-Z pack him.
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>>2773179You're also a nigger.
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>>2773179Do not wish damnation on anyone
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>>2773124>>2773145>>2773156>>2773171>>2773189>>2773184Yo dude… have you like… tried being like… nice? It's way cooler my bro
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>>2773189seems your leaking
why?
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>>2773156nigga stfu faggot
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>>2773193Christians ruined Europe. There is no reasoning with their level of stupidity. Niggers and Christian's have done the same amount of damage to western civilization.
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>>2773193canadian trvth nvke
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>>2773197christians built europe
but i understand you want to live in the nigger huts like the pagans intended before getting brootally raped by the romans
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>>2773196Why are you so fat? I hate fat people so much. They just suck up energy and do absolutely nothing all day. Christina's and fat people need to be exterminated.
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>>2773185Jay Dier is such a faggot, he pretends like he deboonks Catholicism in a similar way that protestants go "yall worship idols or something", hes so dishonest
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>>2773196Why are you so fat? I hate fat people so much. They just suck up energy and do absolutely nothing all day. Christians and fat people need to be exterminated.
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>>2773197It just looks like you're leaking doe
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>>2773135why the need to rationalize? just admit it has no proof or anything, at least you'll be honest that way
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>>2773201Living in mud huts are running around nude covered in paint is actually highly sophisticated
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>>2773194Looking into it more, it seems like TAG and the Aristotelian argument are both fairly similar in that they attempt to work backwards to a kind of "First Cause" but just take different routes as it were.
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>>2773209only when my ancestors (scottish pipo) do it to scare eternal anglos
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>>2773193we could suck each others dicks but that's not how you bring new ideas into the world
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>>2773208So what are we supposed to do, not rationalize? Empirical evidence simply can't prove everything because you can't measure everything. Can you scientifically prove that you love your mother and how much you love her?
>>2773210Sounds interesting, will look into it.
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>>2773205I will say he is not my favorite Orthodox internet personality. He's a bit antagonistic, I can't help but think he's put more than a few people off from converting just with his attitude. It worries me.
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>>2773205ive only ever heard Pentecostals make that argument but they speak tongues
so i assume they are just seething about being called satanists or something
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>>2773201No. Christians plunged Europe into a thousand year long dark age.
Why is it that the rediscovery of pagan ancient world knowledge is considered the turning point of culture and the sciences?
Christians did absolutely nothing from the fall of western Rome to the renaissance.
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pagan faggots and christcacas are obsessing over which religion is better for wyt pipo and their sisters are getting raped by afghan talibros
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>>2773112 (OP)Debate is useless in 2026 geg
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>>2773221what a retard
like people believe this
real people
man
jsid
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>>2773217Good less Christians means a smarter society
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>>2773224dont take this serious quote dont jsid
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>>2773222Geg…. It's true… it's all true… they really think like this
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>>2773222i hope you get rangebanned again you disgusting disgusting mudslime roach you make me sick sick sick
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>>2773227it was pretty bad times but the reason isnt christianity its the fall of rome
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>>2773227Oh yeah I forgot about the crusades in Eastern Europe where christcucks killed white pagans. I guess you did something to advance the Jewish race.
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>>2773227reddit midwit made up conspiracy to say white pipo bad
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>>2773236wyt pipo are bad doe
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>>2773232This, but the "dark" part of the Middle Ages was only for a short time in the beginning compared to how most people believe, which is that it lasted all the way until the Renaissance
>>2773236I will say it started during the Victorian Era mainly to discredit Catholics, but that is what it has turned into
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>>2773236Europe was a mess and if it wasn't for the Muslims preserving the knowledge of the ancient world and advancing it the west would have never recovered from the fall of the Roman Empire
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>>2773246warrior z baiting christians larping as a pagan i salute you
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>>2773244The Middle Ages lasted for centuries and Western European society barely progressed.
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Stop falling for this retard's bait. He doesn't even use his state flag
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>>2773260speaking of that
id just like to say i dont use my states flag because for some reason the sharty thinks i live in wisconsin
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>>2773216>So what are we supposed to do, not rationalize?yes? rationalizing faith negates the whole point of it
>Empirical evidenceI'm not talking about empirical nor evidences; just a proof, any kind. because evidences can exist for reincarnation too, for example, and still you don't believe it
>Can you scientifically prove that you love your mother and how much you love her?yes, you can measure the hormones on the brain given a stimulus, but that's not the point
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>>2773260Why do you believe in a Jewish suicide cult that halted the scientific and culture progress of Europe by at least a thousand years?
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>>2773274rationalization and skepticism is just fine within the church
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>>2773269that doesn't make sense because paganism is an umbrella term
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>>2773247This is exactly what the guy in the Livestream was doing btw
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>>2773284Christianity is an anti-white, anti-life suicide cult.
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>>2773284circlejerking within an echochamber during a """debate"""
geg!
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>>2773277it shouldn't be. if I was christian, I wouldn't agree with that at all
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>>2773288Go back to 4/pol/ nigga
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>>277327699% of Christians believe in it because their parents indoctrinated them into it from birth. If it was illegal to do that until kids were at least 13 Christianity would be annihilated within 50 years
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>>2773291without rationalization and skepticism evidence and affirmation cannot be produced therefore giving more fuel to atheists
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>>2773288It's not any of those things everthoughbeit
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>>2773112 (OP)being white is christpilled
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>>2773297Most beliefs are caused by that doie
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>>2773297most protestant denominations (such as mine) wait until 13 to do confirmation only SOME Catholics do that and even then its just baptism
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>>2773296Stay on that side of the border, spic.
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>>2773302evandoe i hate modern christianity
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>>2773306Youre even more latinx than me doe
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>>2773274>>So what are we supposed to do, not rationalize?>yes? rationalizing faith negates the whole point of itI wouldn't call myself a Christian, but I simply believe in God and I do believe Christian texts are relevant to the nature of God. I prioritize knowledge, not faith.
>>Empirical evidence>I'm not talking about empirical nor evidences; just a proof, any kind. because evidences can exist for reincarnation too, for example, and still you don't believe itI'm on the fence about reincarnation, because again, I don't consider myself Christian proper. The evidence for God existing would be from rationalizing a world created without God/uncaused cause, which is impossible.
>>Can you scientifically prove that you love your mother and how much you love her?>yes, you can measure the hormones on the brain given a stimulus, but that's not the pointNophono knows anything about biology and chemistry, but I imagine these hormone levels would differ a lot with different individuals and it would be crossing with many other hormones of varying quantities, so I don't think it's as simple as saying "this is the love hormone and this means you feel more love". Even if we can definitively prove a single, unique cause is behind each emotion, how do we quantify the emotion itself?
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>>2773281they're all trannies. i was referring to norse pagans but they are all like this
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>>2773312I'm 100% European.
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>>2773298>more fuel to atheistsso what? the whole point of christianity is having faith in christ, being reborn in him. justifying this faith with logic and rationalization nullifies the very essence of it
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>>2773322post biwici or fakenuke
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>>2773326Christians are the most zogged group of people on the planet. There are more nigger Christians than white ones.
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>>2773317>>2773318>>2773324>>2773326>>2773322the real question is wheter jesus would be a soyteen or not
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>>2773328rationalization and affirmation keeps pipo in the faith and brings more in
netpositive
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>>2773333He was an annoying kike he would have probably died getting shot by an ICE agent like that Jew nurse
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>>2773331nigga skipped indians
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>>2773331nigga still cant argue just say random """offensive""" words to me and Minnesota chad
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>>2773318>Because Christianity has soteriological views on death and believes it relates to our actions in life means it's a death cult That would make every philosophical or religious view ever a death cult
>>2773326Why did you give me a (You)
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>>2773341OYYYYY
meant to respond to the redditor
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>>2773343holy shit great argument man
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>>2773333We are too crude and hateful doe
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>>2773336answer my question retard
>>2773331 nigga skipped indians
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>>2773347what if jesus met niggers tho
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>>2773343You got me there
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>>2773349he loves everyone
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>>2773349There is neither Jew nor Greek or something like that. Doe maybe Jesus would say to American niggers that they bring shame to their people.
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>>2773354like the martin luther king boondocks scene
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>>2773354>>2773353so jesus isnt a gigachad who curbstomps kikes?
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>>2773357no he loves everyone and is a gigachad
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>>2773357No he's a kike nigger lover just like the rest of his kind.
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>>2773359tell that to braniggers and autists
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>>2773357Instead of money changers in the temple it would be pro-Israel mega church preachers. And instead of the synagogue of Satan it would be the International Bank of Settlements.
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>>2773360would jesus be a soyteen or not you fucking retard
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>>2773317>The evidence for God existing would be from rationalizing a world created without God/uncaused cause, which is impossible.absolutely no one knows the origin per se of the universe. if you prioritizes reason, then you should know that the most probable theory is the infinity of time and space, so there is no beginning, no "creation". but any other theory can't be proved false too, anything about this topic isn't impossible
>how do we quantify the emotion itself?that's not the topic and I'm no scientist. if it isn't possible already, this doesn't proves anything about what we are discussing
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>>2773361I do it without trying. My very existence is bait.
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>>2773361that was intentional btw
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where the fuck did the retarded green id go
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>>2773366>Infinite time and spaceWhen did change start? What prompted the change? No matter what, it always comes back to a first creation of sorts. Everything in the material world rots and doesn't last, so how would it last forever without something immaterial and timeless? So you're describing something that wasn't created (uncaused cause) aka God.
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>>2773375hey reddit nigger didn't respond to me
geg!
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>>2773334this pragmatism has nothing to do with the faith and purpose of christianity. the same applies for the pagan holidays, archetypes and costumes appropriated by the catholic church
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No real agnostic would argue this, the point we make is that its very unlikely a all powerful god exists
There is legit no real argument for god, the only somewhat okay argument is "Muh big bang or something so it came from singularity, Omg, that god!"
That's just asking another question, why did the big bang happen? We don't know, you can't just fill in the answer with god since science hasn't reached that level.
Now obviously that guy was a reddit atheist, who cries about Christianity all day.
I don't really care for chistianity, I focus on more goofy and harmful religions, like islam, and hinduism, etc.
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>>2773375He is currently crying on my shoulder because I win all debates son
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>>2773381that branigger is making me wanna learn hebrew
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>>2773380Do you have a refutation of the Aristotelian argument for God that we mentioned at the beginning of the thread?
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>>2773378one of the core values of Christianity is conversion
this helps with conversion and is a netpositive
you would know since your ancestors were raped by christpilled Portuguese conquerors
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>>2773384braniggers are christian albiet
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>>2773392this is why i have no problem with fuentes
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>>2773384satan told xem they needs 'p to save aryanism tho
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>>2773396 meant to reply u
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>>2773396your confusing braniggers with atomwaffen larpfags
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>>2773376>When did change start? What prompted the change?what change
>Everything in the material world rots and doesn't lastenergy cannot be created nor destroyed, only transferred and transformed. that's like, basic thermodynamics. and "destroyed" matter is only being transformed in something else, you can't annihilate from existence anything
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what are your thoughts on christian unity between the three denominations?
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>>2773406what does this even mean
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>>2773413i is esl and kept fucking up the replies
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>>2773389>one of the core values of Christianity is conversionwhat's the value of such conversion if it isn't rooted in true faith? for christian theology, none
>you would know since your ancestors were raped by christpilled Portuguese conquerorsyeah I was waiting for a childish behavior like that. helpless
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>>2773403You say space and time last forever, but when did it come to the point we are at? What changes were needed for that? What changes were needed for those changes to take place? So on and so forth until we get to the first change. What was the world before the first change? What triggered change? It's impossible for any change to have started without something timeless and immaterial. If the world is infinite, then it has something timeless and immaterial as a base structure of sorts. What do you call the thing that is timeless and immaterial?
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>>2773412I think it's unlikely to happen any time soon, though maybe the RCC could reconcile with the East? They don't really care about doctrine anymore, so I doubt they would care about the Filioque and other such things. They would, however, also have to leave behind a massive amount of Saints canonized post-schism which would be a huge road block.
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>>2773430>yeah I was waiting for a childish behavior like that. helplessthis is the sharty not reddit. we joke here nigga
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>>2773112 (OP)Arguing the existance of god to athiests has been and will continue to be a waste of time because you cant negotiate repentance. Just aura farm and then receptive people will come to you.
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>>2773435space and time being infinite necessarily implies that there is no "first change", no first anything
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>>2773380i'm agnostic and the point is that we don't know anything nigga
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>>2773146X is the necessary condition for Y
Y is the case and exists
Y, Therefore X
This is standard structure argument for TAG (Transcendental argument for God) and isn't "God exists therefore God exists", nor is it "I presuppose God therefore God exists"
It's "Reality has necessary preconditions that are unsimplifiable and require an intelligent personable being to exist (Truth, Knowledge, fundamental values of the universe), therefore, an all powerful being exists–and this all powerful being is only described in the Christian world view".
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>>2773444This is actually true to an extent. Being a good example is the most effective form of evangelization.
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>>2773449You're unironically a midwit.
If we really "Knew nothing", then we wouldn't have a gun I could shoot you with or a nuclear bomb that can be used to level your adjacent gook countries.
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>>2773455can you prove god exists? no
can you disprove god exists? no
so it's most logical to be agnostic
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>>2773450Thank you for this!
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>>2773465or just be white
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>>2773465you're presupposing logic as a system which is an axiom that requires a precondition via Godel's incompleteness theorem
that precondition is God
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>>2773445But time does exist and is clearly quantifiable. Time is moving right now and things are changing. To simplify the question, where do 'things' come from? What's the first thing? If you answer "the world/universe" then what's the first thing in the world? Where did it come fromThey logically are causes of the uncaused cause of course. What is truth? What is morality?
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>>2773468What i've noticed in my philosophical dabblings is that TAG is very similar to Spinoza's God in the beginning, but Spinoza's God fails because it is an impersonable cold force.
Abstract knowledge is able to exist and be wrong unlike a robot because God is a personable being that created individuals with their own functions.
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>>2773469sad that nabvbv failed at this
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>>2773470you're spamming buzzwords without any knowledge of what they mean. besides, if you're a christian, you should know that it's not possible to prove god exists. the point is faith
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>>2773480white atheists>white christians>white muslims>brown christians>NIGGER MOSLEMS = kikes
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>>2773475>What's the first thing?there is NO first thing, NONE. it's INFINITE. there is no BEGINNING
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>>2773480evendoe hitler said i'm at least honorary white
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moslems can be tolerable if they are white and no farther east than turkiye
>its just what i think, ok?
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>Do you have a refutation of the Aristotelian argument for God that we mentioned at the beginning of the thread?
Just because things are moving, don't mean there is a single unmoved mover.
Modern physics doesn't require a continuous mover for everything (1st law). It requires a force to stop it however.
Inf. regress is impossible.
This is basically the point I mentioned,
Just because we don't understand the world around us, doesn't mean it's god.
First mover must be unmoved
Why? Legit, why? any evidence? fuh naw
God as a Intellectual mover
There is no empirical evidence that motion in the universe happens because everything desires or contemplates a perfect being
The whole argument is basically
Something too complex for our understanding,
Then it's god
?????
Does it increase gods chance of existing? Sure,
but is that chance high? No.
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>>2773479The easiest way to get around it is to think of it almost like the clockmaker argument
The necessary preconditions of a clock are Gears, Minerals, Glass, Electricity, and a maker
The necessary preconditions of Reality and metaphysical values (Truth, Unquantifiables, Axioms, Laws of Physics, Creations and Emanations) are God
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>>2773475>To simplify the question, where do 'things' come from?where's "where"? there is no "comes from" and "goes to", "things" always existed in the infinitude of space
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>>2773488Well I think that's nonsense. The world can't be infinite. It can be infinite in that it lasts forever, which I'm open to that idea, but in any given time that you record the length of time in the infinite progression, then there would be a quantifiable start. You don't live in infinity, you live in 2026. That seems nonsensical.
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>>2773497Aryan explanation
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>>2773494>Just because things are moving, don't mean there is a single unmoved mover. Yes it does. If something is moving, it follows that something moved it. If you follow this infinitely you will eventually hit something that moved first with nothing preceding it.
>First mover must be unmoved>Why? Legit, why? any evidence? fuh nawBecause if it was moved, it wouldn't be the first.
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bruh you guys are so dumb
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>>2773482Let me break ts down for you to understand it simply
>you're spamming buzzwords without any knowledge of what they mean
<You're presupposing Logic as a systemself explanatory, you provided no explanation as to why Logic exists and why it's a fundamental metaphysical property of reality
<which is an axiom that requires a preconditionEverything in this reality is unquantifiable bar for axioms, which are unreducible things and are inherent in reality as a system.
<via Godel's incompleteness theoremGodel's Incompleteness theorem states that there cannot be any complete fully defined and infinitely reducible form of Mathematics, and when you break them down into infinite reducibles you run into self-contradictory sets of axioms. Some mathematical values are unprovable and will always remain unprovable.
If mathematics can define reality, then reality as a reflection of values has things that can be unprovable.
<That precondition is GodThe Christian God as an all powerful being of Goodness, Personability, and Truth is the only way to make sense of these systems.
>besides, if you're a christian, you should know that it's not possible to prove god exists. the point is faithMy God is a God of truth, as it says in John 17:17 that the Father's Word is Truth, and Christ is the Word of God. Therefore the universe runs through him as Paul states in Colossians.
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>>2773506maybe hell is the heat death of the universe a void of nothingness
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i get that i sound egotistical saying this but i am definitely the smartest person in this thread
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"smartest" most intelligent
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>>>2773449
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>You're unironically a midwit.
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>If we really "Knew nothing", then we wouldn't have a gun I could shoot you with or a nuclear bomb that can be used to level your adjacent gook countries.
The point he makes is that when we mean by we know "Nothing" he means we know nothing for CERTAIN
last time i checked we are still discovering things everyday in physics.
Now thankfully, we know the basics. But, there's still much to learn.
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>>2773520I know Christiana are spiritually retarded niggers.
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>>2773521here's what you said
reality is unprovable THEREFORE GOD EXISTS AND IT'S THE CHRISTIAN GOD I WIN
go back to 4cuck, schizo
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>>2773522I don't believe that, but it's similar to some depictions of hell I've heard about, so it's an interesting thought.
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>>2773506we can only quantify time backwards, because there is no starting point
>The world can't be infinitewe aren't talking about the world, we are talking about the universe
>then there would be a quantifiable startno, the infinite has no start, beginning, first thing, it's infinite I can't believe you can't understand this simple concept
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>>2773532if we don; cause the rapture maybe humanity will be lost
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>>2773526Calculus already implies that the limit is basically equal to the full truth (0.9999999999… I.E 3/3 = 1)
Sure there may be more to learn, but old systems work just as well as new ones before they collapse under extremes.
That means that there is a truth converging in these systems as Spinoza himself noted.
I do not believe in an infinitely regressing universe of infinite complexity because Godel's Incompleteness Theorem disproves this.
The only way to account for these axiomatic truths and how they're defined is by God.
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>>2773527hey branigger
i wanna take a dull machete, lay you down on a piece of wood, and hack away at your neck while your obese twitter spic friends watch in horror as their favorite groyper becomes a dnb
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>>2773530
>reality is unprovable ev&doe I ask for evidence on everything but presuppose the metaphysical realm of how truth even works in the first placeare we serious
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>>27735372 lazy to giga quote this
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>>2773539yes, the existence of god is not provable. good job
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>>2773537Kike worshipping cultist behavior
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>>2773542you worship horse cock and a troon
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>>2773535>Calculus already implies that the limit is basically equal to the full truth (0.9999999999… I.E 3/3 = 1)what it even has to do with anything
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lol
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>>2773544I don't worship anything.
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>>2773550retarded 4cuck schizo fallacy
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>>2773533Infinity is paradoxical to the concept of time itself, that's why this is nonsense. Nothing can be infinite unless it is timeless and immaterial, which is God. The world/universe, which I use interchangeably as terms, cannot be infinite because it constantly changes. Change, or being moved, needs a mover. If something is changed then something came before it to cause the change. This means there is a first change/first mover/uncaused cause which would exist outside of the material and time, because the material and time itself would need to have a cause due to being everchanging, which God/the uncaused cause logically can't be, as God simply is.
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>>2773543I don't know why so many of you think I purposefully made this as a bait thread
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>>2773545That we don't need the full truth to understand that a truth exists
I drew a solid line of logic stating that there is a truth inherent that a flawed system is describing and thus looped back around to Transcendental Argument for God
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>>2773555Nobody cares what you think nigger loving kike worshipper.
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>>2773542i dont even support christianity i just hate YOU
scraping your id on a atom 4 million times and on every atom that makes up your fat twitter using body 4 million times wouldnt even make up 1% of the hate i have for braniggers, christian or not
i sincerely hope you get raped by a kike and get paralyzed from it
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>>2773112 (OP)Unrelated but you're my favorite /pol/ microcelebrity or sum fagshit like that
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>>2773559he's one of mine too
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>>2773555Don't listen to them, you make good threads and we all know you're genuine.
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>>2773555Sharty/Jarty/Zarty/FPEdocucks are so mindbroken by pornography and insincerity that they can't hold onto a solid conviction to save their irony-poisoned lives
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>>2773558Oh okay as long as you don't support the Jewish death cult I don't care what your opinion is about me
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>>2773557jews won and our country is owned by rabbiGODS
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>>2773565You're getting raped by Somalians while your mother watches geg.
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>>2773565only moral user on this site
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>>2773562Their only line of arguments are "I'm smarter than you"/"W Bait Thread"/"Spams Nigger & Hyper Porn" and it's tiring
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>>2773563you are making me wanna be a zionist and evangelical protestant xtian
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What is going on in this thread
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i now no longer support TKD
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>>2773563What's the better alternative then? What's your conviction for truth? Do you even have one or is it just seething at Christ 24/7?
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>>2773572Same, Adam Sandler is too cool
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>>2773573point and laugh at that branigger he has no actual opinion on christcuckery
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>>2773573Don't believe in god? That's all I ask. The elite in the west hasn't genuinely believed in god since the enlightenment, us peasants are just behind the curve
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>>2773516No? This statement assumes that chain of movers cant go infinitely backward. Inf. regress is a valid concept in quantum mechanics.
This leads to my other point as well. Just quantum mechanics.
In quantum mechanics, particles can appear to move without and prior mover (Which you ignored after just saying basically "Nuh uh" to my statement.) They fluctuate according to probabilistic laws.
Are these particles god? And if so, how do you know it's YOUR god.
2nd argument you make : "Because if it was moved, it wouldn't be the first."
this assumes that there's a first in a chain of movement, but reality allows infinite regress as seen in quantum mechanics.
Keep ignoring physics,
Quantum fluctuations, vacuum energy, and spontaneous particle motion show that "movement without a mover" is physically possible
Or, is the vacuum energy god too?
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Why the fuck are you guys trying to argue over these unknowable problems. Just have faith in whatever you want to have faith in. There will never be proof of god unless the second coming happens, and there will never be a proof that god never exists either. It is not a problem we are capable of solving. Many people smarter than everyone in this thread combined have tried.
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>>2773576never ask a religoid why atheists are more likely to have a higher iq
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>>2773578which is why YHWH gave us jews the divine right to israel
Am Yisrael Chai!
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>>2773578Sorry Nabbu, but no one is smarter then me, therefore this post is irrelevant.
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>>2773578Even if it doesn't help us reach some kind of enlightenment, which I believe it does, then honestly I think it's just fun to discuss. It's good to open your mind to these things.
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>>2773573Not reading this, I see that Quantum Mechanics is being used.
Sure, Quantum Mechanics advanced Physics states that these particles "HAVE to move at infinite light speed 24/7" to be in working order, and therefore the first mover falls apart because the universe is always in motion
But what set this system in place? How did this system come to be? Why are there ingovernable truths that exist in the universe? Take a metaphysical step backwards and realize that you're presupposing the system.
That system needs to be created by somebody, what is it?
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>>2773578There is no god we made it up
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>>2773578honestly these dudes are arguing stuff scientists have a hard time comprehending, and since its kinda weird and unknown…
it's god!
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>>2773554>Nothing can be infinite unless it is timeless and immaterial, which is Godaccording to what?
>The world/universe, which I use interchangeably as termsyou shouldn't, completely different things
>cannot be infinite because it constantly changesand what changing has anything to do with being or not infinite?
>If something is changed then something came before it to cause the change. This means there is a first change/first mover/uncaused causeno it doesn't mean that. an INFINITE chain of cause and consequence justifies it without resorting to a "first thing" that has absolutely no proof of existing
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>>2773586You're one of the idiots in this thread nigga
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>>2773587>Literally proved his point…
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Beyond me why you guys are trying to prove an entity that would exist beyond logic with logical reasoning. It's not possible. For the very same reason, you also can't disprove it with logical reasoning.
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this is giving me headache
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>>2773587Science contradicts multiple claims of the Bible but you're going to use IQ, a scientific measurement, to support your schizophrenic kike ramblings?
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>>2773577>Inf. regress is a valid concept in quantum mechanics.Can you explain how? I'm not familiar with quantum physics. Frankly, it's such a new, bizarre and constantly-changing field of study that when it contradicts the more simple truth of physics we have known for much longer I have a hard time believing in it.
>>2773578I think it's fun and intellectually engaging, and speaking about my Faith makes me happy
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>>2773587>Here's why christians are smarter!!!!>Shows that Atheists have 106 average IQ and Christians are midwits at 100Fucking retard, geg
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>>2773596The Somalians are going to rape the faith out of every one of your holes
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>>2773587peak religoid argument
image: graph with no source, BOIIII THATS SO TUFF YOU OWNED ME
article:
Even if this article is true, this is a retarded line of argument.
That's like saying "If the top 5 employees at x company are happy, then the company has a great work environment"
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>>2773596i'm pretty sure there are many verses that state that apologetics is ultimately futile
>>2773599MEDS i will save him
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>>2773591Believer scores are highly more numerous than Non-Believer scores, and are primarily concentrated in western adjacent countries. Because the White Race has an average IQ in midwit territory and the other races have average IQ's bordering mental retardation, it inflates Atheist IQ points by only about 6 points from the standard white mean.
8 out of the 10 people with the highest IQ in the world believe God exists, and 6/10 are believing Christians
Isaac Newton was a believing Christian, albeit a Heretic
Albert Einstein & Spinoza (both Kikes) believed in an Impersonable God (Partially due to the atrocities done to the jewish race by the Lord qeq)
I can list many smart Christians, so IQ isn't a good benchmark.
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>>2773602The Bible says make disciples of all the nations, and it also says blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteous everthoughbeit
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>>2773597If the Atheist mean is only 6 points above a white mean in IQ and it has such a small sample size compared to the worldwide religious spectrum, then that screams that it's the midwit westerners religion.
Atheism by default is a religion.
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>>2773584>That system needs to be created by somebody, what is it?no it doesn't. you "rational" christians just presupposes things as you please. treating physics and elements as a creation of someone is just cheap anthropomorphism
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>>2773604Righteousness* autocorrect is obsessed wit me o algo
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>>2773565I have admired your persistent virtuous character since my first observations of you
Despite the disagreements that we have, I am certain that you always speak in good faith. Such a user is a rarity in any space
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>>2773604maybe, but that doesn't have anything to do with apologetics. not to tell you about your faith but i mean like john 20:29, 2 corinthians 5:7, etc
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>>2773608sorry blud but he's mine
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>>2773596 >>2773598We based religious people:
I believe in god cuz uhhh…. idk…. I was born into x religion and i, ahhh,, idk……. Oh wait, we dont know why xyz, so thats GOD! OMG. DEBUNKED DA STOOPID LEFTOIDS
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>>2773587I'm actually crying. jsid
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>>2773610What did you think I was trying to do?
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>>2773611Defunct argument, I was born into an atheistic household that let my parents "allow me to choose what I believe in because that's whats important", and Minnesotan Orthodox likely converted as well.
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>>2773613Wanna answer
>>2773603? A small sample size for atheists only being 6 iq points higher than the average white IQ of 100 (sampling error might mean it's even lower) is not a good look.
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Actually guys I'm not important and neither are you so like let's do whatever we wanna do (except for BAD things ofc)
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>>2773603>Admitting that Atheism is mostly represent by whitesIt's not inflation if your religion is filled with shitskins bringing the total IQ amount lower.
>X smart guy believed in my ideasDon't we just love cherry picking and exceptions guys?
Anyways this thread is retarded
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>>2773609Those verses more refer to the lifestyle of those who are already converted rather than conversion efforts if I recall correctly.
>>2773610What?
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>>2773605Christian ancap lib. monarchists get retarded day by day
Nigga saying atheism is a religion
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>>2773618>>2773617You ignored my argument I responded to you and you still spew it. Funny enough.
You're doing the indian cope of iq, crying about "muh sample sizes"
Sorry nigga, we cannot interview everyone in the world, im afraid.
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>>2773618but if I'm not important than important is what I'm going to do
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>>2773620idk, i always thought apologetics was kinda futile, cos if you if there was truly undeniable proof, i think everyone would be christian. but if there's proof that's deniable that's kinda pointless
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>>2773625I never seen your argument what exactly is it
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>>2773611I am atheist geg friendly fire
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as far as i'm concerned I already used the "approaching truth" argument so I don't know how me saying "muh sample sizes" equivocates to this
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>>2773631You're right in that it's efficacy is limited, but I wouldn't call it futile. Like I said earlier in the thread, providing a good example is the best form of evangelization.
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shit wrong guy
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>>2773606So what exactly is the process of non-infinite regression that predicates how these systems work? What is the basal process that created all these things that they need to fall back upon? Godel's theorem of incompleteness implies that something needs to exist outside of a system to give that system substance
The Christian God fits this explanation perfectly, as he was Outside looking in "upon the waters", and he said "Let there be light".
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>>2773635What? Are you saying i said these? That was my first post itt.
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>>2773577funny how you were having the same core discussion as I was, but my debater couldn't understand the concept of infinity
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>>2773594Wow, this is badass
Women = Trash
BUT NAHHH THEY MADE EQUAL IN IMAGE OF GOD, JUST THEY CANT VOTE, DRIVE, OR ANY OF THAT LIBTARD STUFF
never getting your tradwife award
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>>2773636i've never found apologetics very convincing and i've been searching for like an actual proof of god to ease my anxiety for a while despite the fact i know i would never found it, and i never found anything that really convinced me on christianity
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ALso I'm just like totally visiting this board I'm actually neutral unlike y'all christcucks and erm atheistfags o algo
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>>2773643no i accidently replied to you two times
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>>2773621A-Theism (No Theism) is by default a non-theistic religion, as it is a philosophical belief promoting alternatives to God (Naturalism, undefinable spirituality, etc.)
People who say "Muh proof that le God exists?" are naturalists, which is a materialistic religion.
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>>2773645Yes because the woman is the one who raises the child and provides emotion in the family unit while the man is the rock who the family stands and relies upon
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>>2773588>according to what?Time? Time is quantifiable. It moves forward and we can quantify it. Nothing in the material realm is infinite because that's impossible. Even though energy can't be destroyed, all material is constantly changing and there is a limited quantity of energy. Infinity contradicts time because that's impossible.
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>>2773641>Godel's theorem of incompletenessusing mathematical logic to justify your sky daddy, congratulations
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>>2773651religion
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.
i don't think atheism applies to this
atheism: no idea of god
i cant believe i have to tell you this
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>>2773657Word games, Atheists posit naturalism in the stead of God, to which they take the natural world as their God
Therefore in essence, an Atheist is their own idea of God which gives the universe meaning, or they believe the universe has the power of God.
not hard to understand
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Yeah I said "an atheist is God" which is completely wrong geg (Albeit in their worldview they probably think they are like reddit fedora tippers)
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>>2773663Equating Naturalism with God is a false equivalence
Admiring your car's engine doesn't mean you worship the car as a deity.
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>>2773648Some people are just convinced by different things I suppose. For example, lot of people report a dramatic, supernatural occurrence that converted them, but that simply never happened for me.
>>2773657I think the argument could be made that atheism inevitably results in the worship of the self, or another idol like pleasure in the case of atheistic hedonism. Elders in the Church tend to describe atheism this way, that is to say a spiritual disease, rather than a legitimate or complete worldview.
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>>2773656Mathematical logic describes truths laden in reality
How can a system so perfectly describe the language of the universe and predict it as a system of coherent truths?
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>>2773668Okay, so you understood what I mean.
How am I able to transmit a metaphysical idea to you?
How are you able to make these equivalences in your brain, using words? Are they values we give to things that are merely relative/subjective, or are they objective truths that I am speaking to you?
Either way you are stuck in a conundrum, if you choose that they are merely relative/subjective, what is to say that the universe is real and only you are the real one? Then you fall into the logical absurdity of Solipsism.
If you say that they are objective, what is the vector through these objective truths travel to you? What gives them meaning, and if we live in a universe of truth, how can we have personality and get things wrong? This line of logic would lead you towards a personal, omniscient being.
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>>2773655>Time is quantifiable. It moves forward and we can quantify it.so what
>Nothing in the material realm is infinite because that's impossible.according to nophono
>all material is constantly changingSO WHAT
>limited quantity of energy.ACCORDING TO LITERAL WHO, and even so, what it has to do with being everlasting I'm losing it
>Infinity contradicts time because that's impossible.impossible only to your simpleton mind to understand
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>>2773654Your statements get more badass
Me: Sigma male provider while working at office job
My stupid bitch wife: Takes care of kids, washes clothes and dishes, cleans the house, cooks, i beat her
Based equal life
There is nothing wrong with a woman and a man wanting this lifestyle
But to think of a woman as this is honestly a little weird
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>>2773677no?
fire: hot gas
plasma: superheated gas like 1 billion kelvin o algo
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>>2773697Also you say that this is weird to think of a woman like this but this is how the family unit worked pre suffrage and anti-abolitionist activists were primarily women unlike your kike middleschool education taught you
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>>2773680is this what im understanding
humans: le evil
how humans think: we dont know really much
result:
GOD = TRUE
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>>2773673mathematics is pure rationalism that isn't applicable to reality, same thing with logic
>How can a system so perfectly describe the language of the universe and predict it as a system of coherent truths?it doesn't
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>>2773701completely applicable*
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>>2773699are we using appeal to traditions now
"xyz happened back in the day"
xyz is amazing?
yeah and woman couldn't much a man could
now your doing this like well since modern day feminisms is retard, all feminisms is.
sorry that center left woman are retarded? what do i say?
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>>2773701TRUTH PILL
hard one to swallow
also for all religoids reading this
once again, idk about the brazillian guy, but we arent saying that god cannot exist
the chance however, is low
just because the universe is complex, doesn't translate to god
also how do you know its ur own god lol
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ts is nobaldi anymore, I don't think you're going to convert me and I don't think I will convert you, i'm willing to let sleeping dogs lie
time to go sperg out about genetics
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>>2773716Wow thats le truth nuke
Life expectancy now: THROUGH THE FUCKING ROOF
Life expectancy when you had ur based monarchist kingdom trad family wife family: maybe if u were lucky u died at the age 3
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>>2773713>the chance however, is lowI don't think such chance can be determined. the universe just is the way it is, and by cheap anthropomorphism they think it has to have a creator or something similar. that's why I say: rationalism is a cancer, especially when mixed with religion. if you want to have a faith, just have it and quit justifying it
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>>2773718>da fuggen religioncacas are the reason people in less technologically and medically advanced times died early manenever argue again
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>>2773724idk mayne… these stupid jewish israeli libtard secular countries seem like nice places to live….
whereas the few religious countries like the muslims sharia ones: COMPLETE SHITHOLES
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>>2773724you should check on what he was replying to before saying shit
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>>2773731yeah they're both retarded, I'm not a reactionary. But this new age secular bullshit where they actually believe that the
>fuggen christians set europe back centuries and the fuggen dark age maneis completely retarded and a spurious correlation.
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>>2773741Also, life expectancy can be an indicator of a prosperous society but who outside of progressives actually think the social cohesion and culture is good right now compared to the past.
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>>2773741I'm no history nerd, but there is no debate in that religion extremist is a force against scientific and cultural progress, and that it certainly applies at some degree to this period of time
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>>2773741This argument is stupid because christianity is one of the most acceptable relegions regarding to soyence because they were able to hold onto both their beliefs and the profound realities of material world that some relegions like pisslam couldnt handle. At one point islam was the pioneer of scientific discoveries (which were mostly gotten from ancient greek scientist but science is empirical anyway so who cares). But at some point the relegion couldnt keep up with the material world and cracked, there is no mudslime invention prominent enough to influence anything other than algebra or anything that was discovered/invented 1500 years ago.
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>>2773750Fair, but how prominent would you say "religious extremism" was in Europe? I feel like everyone has this perception that all christians in medeival Europe were these pilgrim puritans who were doing witch burnings every other week. I'm not saying scientific advancements are solely because of Christians but almost all scientific theories and concepts can be traced back to christians. Not saying they made those discoveries because they were christians but I think it proves they were not and are not mutually exclusive.
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>>2773749so true king.
back in my day, i beat my wife all day which was BASED cuz women = trash
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>>2773755soyence is not scientific progress
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>>2773792what are you even niggerbabbling about man
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>>2773773Probably because christians weren't super retarded and were actually able to progress unlike muslims
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I don't know what you gentlemen are arguing about anymore, but keep bumping the thread! I'm going to bed now, so goodnight everyphono.
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>>2773792I already said I was not a reactionary, you didnt actually read anything I said you just said your gay little thought terminating quip. Do you watch Destiny by any chance?
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>>2773773very, because being a relevant figure with heretical views meant mostly being punished with death, from the little I know about history
>Not saying they made those discoveries because they were christians but I think it proves they were not and are not mutually exclusive.maybe they could've made more discoveries if the political establishment and culture of the time actually encouraged them to do so. but certainly they aren't mutually exclusive
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>>2773717i'll convert to Christianity rn if u prove to me jesus came back to lif
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>>2773821Yes i do, in fact I donate to his streams all day
Everytime i destroy a stupid groyper like you i donate 5 bucks to him
so far im at 125 bucks donated to my king destiny
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>>2773827Generally speaking, I think the perception people have about Christianity in the "Dark Ages" is sensationalized and overplayed due to pop history. Was there persecution against scientists due to religion? Yes. But I don't think it was prominent or common enough to make the statement that christians "stopped or slowed scientific progress". At least not in a meaningful way.
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>>2773836if you are serious kill yourself you need to be thrown into a vat of acid
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>>2773887man finally discovers that everything is not bad as people portray it to be
libertarian christians are advancing, and it's scary
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>>2773894Yes i am serious
I love destiny,
I love soyence (better then ur steak tallow cooked garbage btw)
Andi own u ancap christcuck fags LMAO xD
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>>2773887yes I agree. in fact, I think science is currently more censored now. besides it's scope being bigger, a lot of things can't be researched properly to not end up being "racist", "homophobic" etc
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Niggasodan orthocux is actually right even doe hes a namefag
<Space for prayer
The average teen is either christian or an agnostic athiest.
Pagans are mildy sooty larpers
Muslims are megacoal. (Fuck you delcattypedo and warrior p)
Buddhists generally dont post much but they make some gems every now and then
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>>2773887Many inventions from the medieval era were from monks. And monks generally did most of the medical sciences too and acted as doctors. Its why even to today, medkits have a cross on them
The law of hereditary genes, spectacles(glasses), music notation, heavy plow. all invented by monks.
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>>2773135>god is good>god is all powerful>god is all knowing>god also killed everyone but 2 people in the biblePick one false statement, because all of them cant be true at the same time
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>>2774001nusois……… tell me where he killed everyone but 2 people
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Send link
We could have a new gegbvll if we keep jumping in and yelling nigger
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>>2773112 (OP)Most people are terrible at debating literally anything. It's all about "vibes" and "winning" to them. This is why learning through pain inflicted upon the self is the only thing that works. The very deep and lasting kind of pain where you can't possibly blame someone or something else and it destroys a part of your pride.
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>>2774009>>2774011minnesota orthodox is in bed now good night
and respect my authority
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>>2774004Dumb abranigger didnt even read the old testament
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>>2774014if you're talking about noah's ark
you should know…
that there were EIGHT people on the ark
noah, his wife, 3 sons and their wives
i just wanted to hear you say it to prove you are a fucking retard KEK
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>>2774018>midwit pedanticism instead of a counterargumentTypical behaviour
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>>2773919I individually checked everything you just said and 75% of it is not true
>hereditary genes Yes that was invented by Monks
>spectaclesMost sources say it came from 13th century Italy form artisans.
>music notationSomewhat; but not in its entirety
>Heavy PlowNope most sources say agricultural medieval Europe
>most inventions from medieval era were from monksThey contributed but most of it was Christians
>monks were doctors and medical scientists Moreso caregivers from what I've read, they copied medical texts and practiced herbal medicine but I would not call them doctors
>Thats why medkits have a cross on it??? It comes from the Red Cross and was inspired by the Swiss flag.
But anyways I'm supersaging because this thread is mostly bait and nophono
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>>2774021my point is that you haven't read the bible yet you try citing it
And the extermination of the rest of humanity who worshipped satan and sacrificed their children what else is justified
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>>2774023If god is all powerful, all knowing and good he would be able to deliver suffiecient punishment to sinners and then convert them to good instead of killing them outright. And i didnt cite the bible, and unlike you i dont actually need to know its exact contents because im not an abranigger
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>>2774025wouldn't you be able to say that God could convert everyone in the world right now?
No, that's not free will.
God was actively looking for righteous people and found noah, after that he delivered punishment (death) onto others
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>>2774028Why couldnt he create a world of righteous people? Moreover, if god is good, and humans were created in his imagine, how can anyone even be anything but righteous?
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>>2773830Necrobumping but what you said intrigued me
That's something for you to come to terms with yourself IMO
The reason why I believe Christ truly rose from the dead are a multitude of factors
1. Miraculous accounts of the modern day (Shroud of Turin, Sudarium of Ovadia, Marian apparitions, The holy fire of Jerusalem, 1900's accounts of miracles in Soviet Russia, modern day weeping icons in the Orthodox Church, Eucharistic miracles)
2. The "lie" of Christ's resurrection would have to be planned so far in advance that meticulously the logic would make no sense. 12 out of the 12 apostles would have to give their own lives to a "lie" they supposedly "seen" with their eyes, the people who witnessed the miracles of the apostles in Jerusalem (the thousands who converted) would have to have been lying about their miracles that they personally witnessed, and much more
3. The gospels were really early and were attested to in Paul's epistles (of whom he calls his personal Gospel) and the Pastoral letters (which were written pre 60 AD). If the Gospels were written pre 60 AD and foretold the fall of the second temple in 70 AD, then this is an obvious sign of precognition on the authors' (Matthew, Mark, & Luke) behalf.
4. Philosophical reasons on why Atheism can't be true and God must be an all powerful personal being.
5. The Church conquering rome in 300 years and Constantine the Great (one of the only White European emperors, an illyrian geg) was gifted a vision by Christ foretelling his victory, to which he converted, and the following emperor said "You have won, Gallilean".
6.The historical accounts of Sts Clement of Rome & Irenaeaus, St. Polycarp, Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, and Lucian all attest to how there was a church that existed pre 100 AD and all feel extremely organic.
7. The undesigned coincidences of the 4 gospels line up and paint a clear and coherent picture using seperate details that explain settings/meanings that others don't include and feel extremely organic instead of being a falsehood.
And much more alongside personal faith.
To be honest, I can't really hand something to you to convince yo uthat Christianity is the true religion, as you will always have the ability granted to you by God to decide that if you want to love him or not, but if I were to give you my best pieces of physical evidence it would probably be the history of the early church and how it conquered rome alongside modern day miracles in 1.