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That which is done deliberately in opposition to the Will of God, or the consequences of such action.
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>>2756988how do you oppose the will of God though? How does that work?
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>>2757078by disobeying natural law and His commandments
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>>2757078do you agree that murdering a child is evil?
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>>2757110what if it's a nigger child from niggerland africa
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>>2757117you're a sicko arent you
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by a subjective judgement of a point of view before a given situation
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>>2757119I'm just trying to have a conversation
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>>2757129you say this but wont answer the question that i asked
sneaky sneaky genocidal maniac
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Without religion/God, morals are all subjective since there is no higher authority to base them on, it is just whatever we decide. Without God evil is just "whatever me and everyone around me decide is evil".
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>>2757133I don't think it's right to murder a child, but I'm open to be proven wrong. is that good?
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>>2757135what happens in 2026 /pol/ when you answer something without justifying it with god. we have fallen so much…
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people I don't like
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>>2757122That's not really a sufficient definition. It's like if I asked you to define "house" and you said that some are painted red.
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>>2757140why would I leak, he's right kek. nucucks can't interpret text KEK JSID
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>>2757145even someone who believes in subjective morality has the capacity to understand that one can improve perpetually and in a religious belief in afterlife that means forever,
then your issue is about personal improvement and heading above and beyond the social norms which are based on feedback of those at your level or below, and sometimes above you, therefore a higher standard always exists but becomes infinitely more complicated and difficult to carry out
just like higher mathematics and chains of conditionals.
and judges have to be well versed in law and fairness to examine a situation where murder occurred and why
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>>2757158God is sovereign
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>>2757164Can you elaborate
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religious debates are useless because 99.9% of people are too blinded by pride to actually recognize they are wrong, nobeidore is converting anyphono with these useless nigger wars
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>>2757161why it's not sufficient? keep in mind that I'm not covering every single detail in the bald man with glasses website that an academic definition would
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>>2757158you wouldn't get it like people who go looking for blackmail material against someone who didn't do anything wrong but potentially said things that they didn't like
it starts with fairness and patience
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>>2757164God is dead akshually
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God is real because I have seen Him and know the trvth
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>>2757178no he's in heaven
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>>2757170I'm a christian I don't hate God o algo, I am asking that question honestly because it is something I wonder about.
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>>2757179aka OHIIIIOOOOOOO☠️☠️☠️
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>>2757165Morality itself comes from God, and God is the source of all Good. He does not base His morality on anything else because He creates all morality and is independent of it.
>>2757171Nuh uh, God's Not Dead. It's true, I saw a movie about it.
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>>2757189he is the most patient and forgiving because he was all alone
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>>2757189Why would you say that? Why would you speak about God in that way?
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>>2757206well its a soyquote im meaning to ridicule the opponent's idea, not to actually blaspheme God or anything
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>>2757185So how is him deciding what is good and bad different from me or you deciding? How does him being the creator of the universe change that? Aren't they both just made up?
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>>2757189>believing in god out of feardo nucucks really?
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>>2757214its a logical reason doe, if someone and/or something tells you that there's a bear in the forest that would maul you if you stepped in there, BUT you've never seen the bear before, would you still step in the forest?
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>>2757213you can't use logic to justify faith man. if you're christian, you necessarily must say and believe that "it is because it is"
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>>2757214Please don't listen to him
>>2757213I think you're view of it is a bit reductionist. You or I don't have any ability to dictate good and bad, even if modernity attempts to convince that we do. God actually dictating Natural Law is not the same as us attempting to do so.
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>>2757216a more fair exemple would be someone telling you there is a bear somewhere in australia (there are no bears in australia)
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>>2757218I know it's not a unanimous thing to justify faith, I'm not dishonest. but you also can't deny that most christians do think like that
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>>2757222now what if there WERE bears in australia? you, thinking there aren't any bears, walks in there, gets mauled, meanwhile the other aussies who took precautions and avoided the bear's wrath survive
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>>2757228Fear of God is legitimate, but you are right in that it alone cannot justify faith, let alone convince you that Christianity is real. But particularly the way he said it is incredibly nasty and I hope that doesn't sully your image of Christians as a whole.
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>>2757218So how does God dictate Natural Law? How does he decide what is good or bad? It just seems like "you can't do X because… I said so and I'm God".
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>>2757233if a homeless person walks to you, says that he's god in flash and that, if you don't give him money, you'll die soon and be eternally damned: would you believe it?
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>>2756901 (OP)Something i dont like
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>>2757237he knows what things are good and bad since he created the world, since he is all loving and does not want you to do the bad things
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>>2757235>I hope that doesn't sully your image of Christians as a wholeno worries, it doesn't
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>>2757237>It just seems like "you can't do X because… I said so and I'm God".but it's exactly like that
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>>2757237I think this is where the sovereignty of God is important to understand. Your question presupposes that God is using a method to dictate the Law, but that would imply a method that predates God. This cannot exist because God is the First Cause.
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>>>2757237 (You)
>he knows what things are good and bad since he created the world, since he is all loving and does not want you to do the bad things
So what makes something good or bad outside of God just arbitrarily deciding?
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>>2757251Could you explain the sovereignty of God? I asked you to elaborate earlier and you didn't
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>>2757252He KNOWS what things are good and bad because he CREATED people, and knows everything about His creations, therefore since he knows all about His creations it would be logical for Him to tell His creations what is good and bad so that they can thrive
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>>2757257Sorry, that wasn't my intention! Basically, it means that God is both completely supreme over Creation and separate from it.
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>>2757252"deciding" isn't really correct. he determines what is good and evil because he is le good, like The Good. so evil is everything that contradicts him
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>>2757262But what I am saying is him being supreme over creation doesn't make his decisions any less arbitrary. Am I wrong?
>>2757261Could you elaborate? You are saying he doesn't decide, he just knows what is good or evil. So what makes something good or evil? How does he know?
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>>2757238Has he approached anyone else first? Have they been condemned or saved yet? there are stories and testimonies of people seeing Jesus Christ is real and attaining miracles through faith, and also does that homeless person give out any actual proof for Him being divine like a record of His miracles or deeds, has He healed anyone, has He given out any commandments to serve him? There's a huge difference between some dude blindly claiming He's God versus someone actually showing it
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Anything I dont like
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>>2757266I suppose it makes it arbitrary to us in the sense that it is not based on any Worldly thing, but "arbitrary" feels like the wrong word, it makes it sound somewhat flippant…
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>>2757274So would you agree that it is, for lack of a better word, arbitrary?
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>>2757266He knows what's good and evil because He knows everything, He is omniscient, something that is good serves His purpose for that creation, something that is bad does not serve His purpose for that creation, and God knows what the purpose for His creation is because He created and has full knowledge of His creation
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>>2757278what makes you better than any of those people? where is the line drawn between a good and an evil person without an objective moral standard
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>>2757276>something that is good serves His purpose for that creation, something that is bad does not serve His purpose for that creationBut isn't his purpose arbitrary? Something he jut made up? That is the root of the question I am asking.
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>>2757269did you saw jesus miracles personally? because anyone can make up stories. various rumors about this homeless guy being god going around, would you believe it? asking him to show you a miracle is not a valid answer doe because you can't do the same with jesus in the present
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>>2757278are you like 15?
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yt pipo
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>>2757280They're deserve to be killed. There is no point in re-educating them, at least most of them, and they will continue to do evil. There is a clear line between good and evil, at least I see it
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>>2757282that's the entire bible anon, it's this way because god said so. and there is nothing outside the bible that validates god. thought provoking if you asked me
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>>2757282if His purpose was arbitrary, He wouldn't go on a whole crucifixion resurrection quest and humble Himself down to the level of a mere human, and impose harsh judgements towards those who break His laws, if it was all arbitrary why would He care so much? that's like someone going on a whole honor killing spree because someone disrespected your soy woahjack oc, if it was arbitrary He wouldn't care that much
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>>2757292who are you to say how god the all-knowing should feel about his, even if arbitrary, decisions? hm?
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>>2757275I'm inclined to say no… may I plead the fifth?
Jokes aside, I think the error with calling it arbitrary is that the word itself implies a lack of basis. That is to say, if I make an arbitrary decision, that means that the decision has no proper justification via a previous event. But natural law shouldn't be seen as a decision. In a way, it is literally the first thing. If you saw every event in the world as a sequence, natural law is the thing which the very first event, and thus every subsequent event, of that sequence is based on.
If you have more questions, I would honestly advise seeking counsel from a spiritual father. You seem to be genuinely inquisitive in a way that I don't think I could satisfy via the bald man with glasses website.
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>>2757289No person is perfect, that includes you. You've probably lied, been lazy, disrespected or gotten angry at a brother too. You've probably wanked your dick off to porn too. You've also probably been incompetent or done things that forment societal corruption too, we all have, we are not gods. You're on a forum that nobody cares about besides a couple hundred people every day, majority of people would see that as degenerate, what's stopping the supposed "righteous" from killing you?
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>>2757293and who are you to reject and belittle His laws?
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>>2757295minnord, why are you struggling with properly defending your faith? it's not arbitrary because he's the very base of every decision. he justifies himself and everything else. it's not that hard to understand
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do religious people have any sort of solid proof of their specific God existing or is it just faith in the statements mentioned in their scriptures being true
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>>2757299avoided the thought provoking counterargument award
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Nazism, racism and bigotry.
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>>2757304it's literally just faith, the foundation of every religion. if there was proof, then it would be a science and not religion. I thought anyone knew this, but looks like it's not the case
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>>2757303Who says I'm struggling. It's kind of late so maybe my cognitive function is less than what it ought to be, but it's not like this is a debate. I think "He justifies Himself" is basically true, but I think it's easy for athiests or those inquiring about the faith to scoff at, so I'm trying to explain it in a bit of a different way.
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>>2757306evendoe by that logic nobaldi can interpret the Bible because who are they to say how the all-knowing should feel about his arbitrary decisions
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>>2757309Faith is the foundation of literally every belief, not just religion.
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>>2757315not its not its science and facts
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>>2757311because you're fumbling with those concepts while, in the end, even with that different explanation, eventually you'll have to say "because he is the justification"
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>>2756901 (OP)evil is a measure of how dark someones skin and hair is, its nothing more than that
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>>2757317You still need the faith to believe the experiments and investigations were correct, that the scientific laws and principles were accurate(majority of science is theoretical and impossible to prove without using other scientific laws btw)
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>>2757313creating hypothetical scenarios, like you did, and saying that "would make no sense to god act this way or that way" is putting yourself above god. and interpreting the bible is trying to understand what god's saying and commanding, never questioning his actions and behavior. and if you don't understand why he did something, that's your limitation not his
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>>2757319There is nothing wrong with saying that God is the justification, but the topic was specifically whether natural law is dictated "arbitrarily". This isn't a debate, the guy said earlier he's a Christian, he's just asking for clarification.
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>>2757327poop and favelanos dying
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>>2757315of course it isn't. I believe that niggers are violent, because there are countless proofs about it. you believe in god besides having no proof, so that's called faith
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>>2757328natural law isn't the first thing doe, god is. so god justifies it because he was first
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>>2757292Why wouldn't He? People here on earth put themselves through hardship for their own arbitrary goals. What is stopping God from doing the same?
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>>2756901 (OP)my mind is incredibly scattered and I have zero confidence in my understanding
Evil is what feels evil or mi book said was evil
Foolproof conscience because its probably oure if im not coping o algo
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>>>2757306
>who are they to say how the all-knowing should feel about his arbitrary decisions
So you agree they are arbitrary????
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>>2757382It is arbitrary that you breathe air and suffocation kills you
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>>2757364You are quoting the beginning of John, not Genesis. The beginning of Genesis says that there was Creation, and the first thing God did with creation was created Light, which was Good, which is natural law.
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>>2757295So would you say that natural law is somehow just inherent to existance? In the same way God is? Or in other words God didn't create natural law?
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>>2757394I think the point is really getting away from me at this point, but basically it's irresponsible to describe God's actions as arbitrary because it makes them sound flippant. Natural law is the first and foremost of all creation and it comes directly from God.
I really need to go to bed now. Goodnight everybody.
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>>2757403No, the Light was specifically created by God as shown in Genesis
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This shit is not adding up to be honest
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>>2757394I noticed that it wasn't like I remember it kek, I just typed genesis and clicked on the first thing, my mistake trusting in it. anyway, my point is, in the beginning was god only with his word and light whatever. there was no evil yet, because there was only good. so good is the foundation, the first thing, and that justifies everything else. saying that it is the natural law doesn't makes sense, because for the morality exist the existence of evil must as well
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>>2757382I conceded to the arbitrary argument to make it more thought provoking, christian theology obviously doesn't agrees with it because god is the justification etc. I feel like I'm defending christianity besides attacking it at the same time. slow burning kinography
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>>2757416The light is good. The light is created to be separate from darkness. So as soon as good existed, there was a lack of good (just as darkness is a lack of light) to contrast it.
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>>2757426but god and his word was first before light being created, see?
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>>2757429and god is the good, light is it's product
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>>2757433>>2757429The Orthodox doctrine of the Essence vs. Energies Distinction explains this, now I must go to sleep.
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>>2757438you can only be christian by having faith in it, which is essentially blind by definition. if you can't accept this, thus christianity isn't for you, like it isn't for me
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>>2757444Do you believe that God exists but reject him because of this, or are you an atheist?
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>>2757450I don't believe in god nor in atheism. I think spirits and afterlife exists, but I can't be sure of that
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>>2756901 (OP)ermmm moral relativism ~~~ i hecking love a new open liberal egalitarian society!!!
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>>2757463it's quite the opposite. the universalism of christianity is the perfect soil to egalitarianism grow. when moral is subjective however… everything goes…
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>>2757438thanks for using neutralplier so we know your opinion is dogshit
anyways God is the apex of all created things, and thusly as morality is an uncreated good that is reflected by God. Laws are a created thing reaching the order that is God, as God is all good and God is all order, he cannot be disorder, chaos, and evil.
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>>2757475xhe's a christian struggling with his faith and that's how you treat xhim, a fellow brother. shame on you
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something that effect people in a bad way
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Brown skin
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anything that i do not like
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>>2757483based on what? also, how do you determine at what degree of the sequence of events the causation loses it's culpability? for illustration: you are at a party drinking, and a person needs urgently be taken to the hospital. you driving them drunk to there ends up in an manslaughter. what now?
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>>2757491this exemple is unrelated to the previous question, forgot to make that clear
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>>2756901 (OP)Jews sucking baby foreskin
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People that do things i don't like
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nophono evil
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>>2757491why should i take him to the hospital we are at the party i'm not the only one there plus the reason of ur act is important too for example someone tried to save someone but ended up hospilitised them would you blame them they didn't meant to do that but at the same time if they didn't choose to done that the person would be died