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>>2757299avoided the thought provoking counterargument award
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Nazism, racism and bigotry.
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>>2757304it's literally just faith, the foundation of every religion. if there was proof, then it would be a science and not religion. I thought anyone knew this, but looks like it's not the case
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>>2757303Who says I'm struggling. It's kind of late so maybe my cognitive function is less than what it ought to be, but it's not like this is a debate. I think "He justifies Himself" is basically true, but I think it's easy for athiests or those inquiring about the faith to scoff at, so I'm trying to explain it in a bit of a different way.
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>>2757306evendoe by that logic nobaldi can interpret the Bible because who are they to say how the all-knowing should feel about his arbitrary decisions
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>>2757309Faith is the foundation of literally every belief, not just religion.
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>>2757315not its not its science and facts
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>>2757311because you're fumbling with those concepts while, in the end, even with that different explanation, eventually you'll have to say "because he is the justification"
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>>2756901 (OP)evil is a measure of how dark someones skin and hair is, its nothing more than that
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>>2757317You still need the faith to believe the experiments and investigations were correct, that the scientific laws and principles were accurate(majority of science is theoretical and impossible to prove without using other scientific laws btw)
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>>2757313creating hypothetical scenarios, like you did, and saying that "would make no sense to god act this way or that way" is putting yourself above god. and interpreting the bible is trying to understand what god's saying and commanding, never questioning his actions and behavior. and if you don't understand why he did something, that's your limitation not his
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>>2757319There is nothing wrong with saying that God is the justification, but the topic was specifically whether natural law is dictated "arbitrarily". This isn't a debate, the guy said earlier he's a Christian, he's just asking for clarification.
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>>2757327poop and favelanos dying
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>>2757315of course it isn't. I believe that niggers are violent, because there are countless proofs about it. you believe in god besides having no proof, so that's called faith
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>>2757328natural law isn't the first thing doe, god is. so god justifies it because he was first
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>>2757292Why wouldn't He? People here on earth put themselves through hardship for their own arbitrary goals. What is stopping God from doing the same?
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>>2756901 (OP)my mind is incredibly scattered and I have zero confidence in my understanding
Evil is what feels evil or mi book said was evil
Foolproof conscience because its probably oure if im not coping o algo
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>>>2757306
>who are they to say how the all-knowing should feel about his arbitrary decisions
So you agree they are arbitrary????
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>>2757382It is arbitrary that you breathe air and suffocation kills you
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>>2757364You are quoting the beginning of John, not Genesis. The beginning of Genesis says that there was Creation, and the first thing God did with creation was created Light, which was Good, which is natural law.
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>>2757295So would you say that natural law is somehow just inherent to existance? In the same way God is? Or in other words God didn't create natural law?
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>>2757394I think the point is really getting away from me at this point, but basically it's irresponsible to describe God's actions as arbitrary because it makes them sound flippant. Natural law is the first and foremost of all creation and it comes directly from God.
I really need to go to bed now. Goodnight everybody.
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>>2757403No, the Light was specifically created by God as shown in Genesis
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This shit is not adding up to be honest
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>>2757394I noticed that it wasn't like I remember it kek, I just typed genesis and clicked on the first thing, my mistake trusting in it. anyway, my point is, in the beginning was god only with his word and light whatever. there was no evil yet, because there was only good. so good is the foundation, the first thing, and that justifies everything else. saying that it is the natural law doesn't makes sense, because for the morality exist the existence of evil must as well
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>>2757382I conceded to the arbitrary argument to make it more thought provoking, christian theology obviously doesn't agrees with it because god is the justification etc. I feel like I'm defending christianity besides attacking it at the same time. slow burning kinography
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>>2757416The light is good. The light is created to be separate from darkness. So as soon as good existed, there was a lack of good (just as darkness is a lack of light) to contrast it.
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>>2757426but god and his word was first before light being created, see?
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>>2757429and god is the good, light is it's product
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>>2757433>>2757429The Orthodox doctrine of the Essence vs. Energies Distinction explains this, now I must go to sleep.
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>>2757438you can only be christian by having faith in it, which is essentially blind by definition. if you can't accept this, thus christianity isn't for you, like it isn't for me
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>>2757444Do you believe that God exists but reject him because of this, or are you an atheist?
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>>2757450I don't believe in god nor in atheism. I think spirits and afterlife exists, but I can't be sure of that
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>>2756901 (OP)ermmm moral relativism ~~~ i hecking love a new open liberal egalitarian society!!!
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>>2757463it's quite the opposite. the universalism of christianity is the perfect soil to egalitarianism grow. when moral is subjective however… everything goes…
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>>2757438thanks for using neutralplier so we know your opinion is dogshit
anyways God is the apex of all created things, and thusly as morality is an uncreated good that is reflected by God. Laws are a created thing reaching the order that is God, as God is all good and God is all order, he cannot be disorder, chaos, and evil.
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>>2757475xhe's a christian struggling with his faith and that's how you treat xhim, a fellow brother. shame on you
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something that effect people in a bad way
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Brown skin
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anything that i do not like
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>>2757483based on what? also, how do you determine at what degree of the sequence of events the causation loses it's culpability? for illustration: you are at a party drinking, and a person needs urgently be taken to the hospital. you driving them drunk to there ends up in an manslaughter. what now?
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>>2757491this exemple is unrelated to the previous question, forgot to make that clear
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>>2756901 (OP)Jews sucking baby foreskin
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People that do things i don't like
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nophono evil
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>>2757491why should i take him to the hospital we are at the party i'm not the only one there plus the reason of ur act is important too for example someone tried to save someone but ended up hospilitised them would you blame them they didn't meant to do that but at the same time if they didn't choose to done that the person would be died