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This boring put on Micronesia porn and jerk off

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>The ruling of the majority is the ruling of idiots, smart people have always been a minority in earth.
-Mikhail naimy, a Lebanese philosopher

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Democracy never worked on the long run and the idea itself is retarded.
Imagine allowing people that can't comprehend the concept of futuere to shape futuere?
Each democracy destoried itself, democracy is a death wish for any civilized nation

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>>2629067
the saints will be on councils of God for being selfless truly

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>People with 80IQ and lower have a brain that cannot comprehend the concept of futuere
>They can't comprehend the hypothetical outcomes
This is why democracy born in civilisations and kill it.
The only way for democracy to work more than 100 year is
>Sterilize anyone with lower than 80IQ
>Ban foids from voting
>Become an ethno state so ethnic tension don't shape the voting outcomes
So the only way for democracy to work is fascism

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>>2629067
TSMT, That's why israel installed zog dictator in levant

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Weren't women and slaves not allowed to vote in ancient greece?

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>>2629082
That's why they helped us to achive democracy.
Syria right now is 100 time's more democratic than Assad days, what the result?
>29 genocides on ethnic Syrians who aren't Muslims
>8 new ethnic groupes settling and becoming "Syrian" citizens(including literal niggers from Somalia)
29 genocides in less than a year, it's still a democracy because the majority still agree that what is happening isn't worng.

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>>2629081
Even&oe iq is shaped by education
Even&oe every democracy is destined for dictatorship or ineficient governance
THere is no such thing as a working democracy becouse democracy in its core devides and radicalises people

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>>2629101
>Women and slaves
But the rest were allowed, and they destoried the country

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>>2629106
>Oh look that's poor shithole is a poor shithole because it has no education!
Why don't they have it? Why don't they bulid schools?
You telling me that schools existed magically in Europe or in any civilized place on earth?

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>>2629102
Dictator assad commit massacre and genocide in yarmouk, hama, tal al zaatar doe

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>>2629125
ive seen too many fake bombings videos from syria to make him out to be a dictator

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>>2629117
>Why don't they bulid schools?
no money
if you have no money then you can't build schools
That's another fault of democracy, in poor countries most politicians would rather use the taxed they get to buy themselves shit rather than develop their country
>You telling me that schools existed magically in Europe or in any civilized place on earth?
During the medieval times only royalty and noblemen could send their sons to schools becouse only they had the money for it
The reason why jews are so rich is becouse they createdd banks and sent thir sons and daaughters to schools, becouse they had the money for it
Most schools were created by the monarch too, and they weren't even schools, they were universities. if you were poor then you couldn't go to it

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>>2629125
Half of them weren't Syrians and the other half were Mudslimes whole invited the non-Syrians to settle in the country.

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>>2629081
>>Sterilize anyone with lower than 80IQ
>>Ban foids from voting
>>Become an ethno state so ethnic tension don't shape the voting outcomes
>So the only way for democracy to work is fascism
None of the policies listed above are unique to fascism

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>>2629135
Wasn't many baathist during hafez era believe that lebanon belongs to greater syria doe?

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>>2629133
He was a piece of shit, he didn't kill Mudslimes and the ethnic minorities and used them as a tool to threat Syria
>Either I rule you or I go and they desotry the country
Well guss what, he's gone and live as a rapefuge in Russia and the country is a shithole, even thsoe who hate Jewlani would kill assad if they saw him

>>2629134
>No money
It cost zero dollar if you bulid it yourself.
>Why can't they bulid it themslevs?
Because they are retarded

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>>2629151
i saw a cnn reported try to gaslight locals one time and the muslims and christians got along and said they both likes him.

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>>2629143
>baathist
>Greta er Syria
The baathshi never believed that Syria is a country to begin with.
They concederd Syria to be a part of imaginary homeland that didn't exist anywhere except their schizo mind.
>They banned the SSNP from operating
And executed some members
>They banned the books of John of Damascus
Because he said that the Saracens aren't Arabs

Pan-arabist are atheist Muslims, the same way how commies are an atheist Christians.
They are like Muslims soyboys or somethin

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>>2629151
>It cost zero dollar if you bulid it yourself.
where do you get the money for resources
where do you get money to pay the workers
where do you get money to pay the teachers
>no money for resources
no school
>no money for workers
no school
>no money for teachers
no teachers and the school is useless
<
>Because they are retarded
It's not becouse they are retarded but becouse you need to know something about building to be able to build a large building
if you just hire random niggers off the street the building will collapse

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>>2629157
Syria is a fake state just like the majority of countries in the middle east

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>>2629156
Assad toke the Singapore way of treating the country.
>Singapore have ethnic groups
>4% pajeet who eat and throw gums everywhere
>Instead of banning gums for Pajeets that ban it for everyone so they don't cause ethnic tension
>Yay we save muh diversity
Singapore will become a shithole as soon as it get hit by a crisis, any divers nation will, the thing about crisis is that no matter how smart you are you won't predict them all the time

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>>2629164
if the whole middle east situation would have been more chill his IQ would have been high enough to deal with it, im sorry about any lives lost at the time and i do hope no more lives are lost, i just dont want any more middle eastern or african or chinese imports in my country, as a saudi price once said, "you keep importing our prison population". terrible…

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>>2629161
Modren Syria might be, but the Ancient Syria isn't, it existed as nation and been in the Herodotus's book, you know the books he wrote about civilization and didn't include slavs because they were nothing but the lower casts of the Germanics barbarians?

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>>2629168
slavs were more nordic, because they were called rus because they "row"

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kill niggers

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>>2629158
Make your own resources, build your own things, create your own stuff.
Abos lived in Australia for 40000 years and they invinted a stick, bunch of whtie criminal scums came to Australia and truned it into heaven in 400 years.
Resources exist but the mindset doesn't, all poor nations are poor because of retardation and nothing more.
>Africa got 4.7 trillion dollars in aids
What they did with it? Bulid schools? Factories? No.
They bought food and fucked their foids harder and now there are more starving niggers than ever

The nips didn't have resources and look what they did to their country? Your capital city been destoried entirely in WW2 while there are cites in 3rd world shitholes that didn't been hit, look at them now and look at your city
If the people are retarded no mattre the resources, the country will be a shithole

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>>2629101
They still shouldn't.

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>>2629185
turkayran truth

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>>2629169
I heard they were the bottom of the barrel of the Germanic tribes
>Nordic
Almost all modren whties are Nordics, the ancient Aryans who left Europe don't exist no more, some people have their DNA but it doesn't matter at thus point

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>>2629192
i actually have an old historical book about slavic and muslim relations, one page talks about roaring in battle against one another.

i will hav eto dig it up and read it one day, i have many books you see…

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>>2629167
Assad is genius, I am not saying he was dumb.
But he was a dictator who only cared about himself and his mafia, if he killed the Muslims and other minorities he would've lived as a king and then overthrowed, he didn't want to become a president at first but when he tasted power he wanted to rule forever, he wanted it all and he lost it all.
Since the latest report about him in Moscow I am 100% sure that if he didn't become a president he would've been a shitposter like us

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>>2629067
Uh what?

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>>2629184
you cannot create something without resources
The reason the abos didn't build shit is becouse they had no contant wwith the outide world
aussies built australia wwith the tools and resources from britain
>africa
what about Mauritius and botswana
Moreower botsswana tarted from a total ssshithole and yeet still managed to become a livable country despite being populted by niggers

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>>2629224
nono, from the resources that i have seen, he actually made friends between Christians and muslims, by ways of justice, like saddam hussein, and Gaddafi , who executed extremists…

and to think of it, once saddam hussein was eliminated, a group named isis took root and expanded…

some dictators actually eliminate extremism, i wish saddam and ghadaffi were not killed.

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>>2629224
assad is mi6 glownigger, he had education in londonistan, he constantly pardoned black flags that would anyway keep killing syrian army soldiers that for some reason were loyal to assad after so many traitorships. Everything assad did only hurt syria. Hes fucking glownigger, he shouldve been hanged like hussein but no assad is still alive and playing video games somewhere in russia.
You are dumb nigger normie i hope you fucking die

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>>2629230
i would disagree with you on that

in my mormon mind, abbos had no blessing from God, because of their sins, which is why the did not build anything…


and that ancient pagan greeks and romans had way more blessings than them because they clung to at least the basics… And God blessed them with intelligence and creativity.

merit extremism if you will.

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>>2629233
but the former leader of isis was detained in a us army camp as a prisoner, and rules syria???

sounds like CIA forced prostitution for the state of israel

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>>2629236
LLM ahh reply GEG

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>>2629237
have i said no fact? this is reality

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>>2629234
>no blessing from God, because of their sins
which sins
>ancient pagan greeks and romans had way more blessings than them
why would they have a blessing from god
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you just make stuff up without any proof of it

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>>2629242
because God can forgive a man for ignorance if they do not know every single one of his laws.

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>>2629244
so following your logic he should have also forgive the abos for their "sins" that you didn't specify

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>>2629249
there are such things as unforgiveable sins
as when a judge of God looks into a man's heart
and he sees the abbo in him that raped his daugher
and he hates it for what it did

is that what you want me to look at? i am prepared.

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>>2629252
or something

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For centuries, man has tried to tell jesus' message in scientific, analytical terms, and it hasn't worked.

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>>2629258
not true, since jesus was a hardowrking carpenter who paid his taxes that fools ingore and claim he was a rabbi

responsibility is 100% analytical, it's project management science, there is once who can forgive since he never blamed anyone.

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>>2629252
You still haven't explained what sins did abbos commit
Also the pagan mithology has a lot of stuff about gods raping and killing, so pagans worhipped "gods" who raped and killed without reason which is obviously morally bad even without the bible
Abbo mithology doesnt have that stuff
So following simple logic, pagans couldn't have got a blessing eeither becouse they had worshipped beeings that raped and killed for no reason

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>>2629067
>Imagine allowing people that can't comprehend the concept of futuere to shape futuere?

They can comprehend it, smart people on opposing sides are cutting corners and taking short cuts, because they have financial and social safety nets that their constituents DONT have, and that's the problem. The Democrats refer to this phenomenon as "people making sacrifices". It's part of that "we're on the right side of history" mentality. Combine that with the suicidalness of prescription and illicit drug users

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>>2629262
im just going to say this

every soul is a project
and they are their manager, they can either listen to the call for better morals or not.

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>>2629258
you have no proof of that claim becouse it is false, please tell me what hasn't worked

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>>2629262
^
>that one 4chin post about abbos having a tradition of incest

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>>2629261
Jesus point was that being hardworking and paying taxes was bullshit, and that you shouldn't have to do it, and then he was resented by his own people, betrayed, then brutally murdered, and in the aftermath of that, Christianity was born. Explain that analytically without questions the existence of jesus

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>>2629228
Esl brown here you don't audit much

>>2629230
>Throw a Whtie family into the wilde
>Throw a nigger family into the wilde
Come back after 100 year and see where they gone.
You we there is something called Eugenics, each ethnic group has dump and smart people and they produce in uneven way as dump have more childrens, and since intelligent come by the blood more than 88% of the times it's Eugenics that make the difference.
>Whtie lived in harsh climates
>few Animals in the wild, they been forced to learn to horde
And those who couldn't starve to death and didn't pass their genetics
>Harsh weather, food doesn't grow easily
Those who didn't know how to farm starve to death and didn't pass their genetics
Now put this in Africa
>Many Animals
>The best weather for plants
They didn't learn to horde because they didn't need to, when Whties reached Africa there were more wilde Animals than Niggers and fruits was rotting on the grounds as no one picking it up.
Eugenics is the key nations, no matter how many times you help a stupid person he will always be stupid, and now I am sure you are baiting me, but incase you aren't baiting then read about the Ancient times more often.

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>>2629264
so you do agree that god had no reason to not bless abbos becouse every one had their own will and you cannot predict what a free will would choose, the same for pagans.
So god either blessed both european pagans and abbos (why would he do that?) or he didn't bless either

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>>2629233
>Let Mr tell you about your country
Sure VPN fag, just show me your real flag first

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>>2629262
i will also add that every crime deserves a curse, so i guess that abbos and africans and mudshits did more than the greeks or romans, contragtz romans, surviving by your own leg strengths.


>>2629268
but he did work hard and didnt blame anyone, it's the virtue of life, working hard to help others.

i pick and choose the good, God is even better.

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>>2629265
The mentality of abramhamic religion is that a "messiah" rises to provide knowledge vision and wisdom to people, to make people understand life and foster some form of utopia peace on earth. Modern technology/science has sought to replicate this, do YOU think it succeeded or not?

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>>2629275
no, the messiah proves he serves the ultimate moral law the best to the death.

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>>2629277
You're islamic

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>>2629278
no, and if you claim i am islamic, tell me your religion and tell me of the religious things you've posted here.

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>>2629279
>>2629278
>Islamic
Xister, we pretend to be soyboys here we aren't real soyboys.
Just say Mudslime

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>>2629279
Ur some weird form of Christianity then, are you Asian?

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>>2629269
>farm
>in a desert
>without tools
Sure
<build wooden hat
>trash wood
>no tools
>all trees either giant baobabs or small accacia trees that have trash wood
ok
<do eugenics
if not allowing smart people who are not goodd looking to have children is bad then doing the opposssite is alsso bad
<muh only let good looking smart people to have sex
you are retrded if you think that would work.
it woul just result in almost no children being born and would lead to eventual sociatal collapse as there is not enough people to continue the life of the nation

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>>2629283
>>2629290
call me demon cyborg
i have many files

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>>2629274
>i will also add that every crime deserves a curse, so i guess that abbos and africans and mudshits did more than the greeks or romans, contragtz romans, surviving by your own leg strengths.
Congrats on using another loggical fallacy
you just try to defend a point you haven't proven
You say "abbos and niggers have badder so they must have sinned more than pagan" but you have no proof of your claim that it is the case
you just say that but have no proof of that claim
I can say "there is a dragon living in a cave somewhere", could an animal evolve into a dragon and then live in a cave? possibly, yes.
but in practice it is not the case, there are no dragons.
Just becouse something "would work in theory" doesn't mean that it i in reality
Just as the walls in my room could have been painted red, but they havn't been.

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>>2629300
if you think i have committed a logical falacy then
1. you are not human
or
2. you are not versed in logic
for they carry the weight of their ancestors and everything that has been passed down.

>>incinerate

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>>2629303
>ad hominem
ok
explain that you fallacy is actully not a fallacy
>for they carry the weight of their ancestors and everything that has been passed down.
so following this logic pagans also carried thee weight of their ancetors and so no blessing for them either LoL
And following that logic we can deduct that you also have no blessing becouse your ancestors also killed and raped
I VVQN

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>>2629311
it is not a fallacy since good is good and evil is evil.
responsibility is tested in it's rawest form, the one who does no evil wins.

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>>2629274
>but he did work hard and didnt blame anyone, it's the virtue of life, working hard to help others.

This is where that hang up is. You brought up how he was a carpenter and paid taxes, so I brought up how him quitting carpentry, him not paying taxes, him telling people to follow him and the won't have to do that shit anymore, is not "work" in the sense of a job that you or I have, so don't argue my the point about him saying working was bs. He DID say that. If you or I quit our job, we are no longer working, but theoretically we should be "working on something" to get by. So your point was completely unnecessary

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>>2629328
Bt he did pay taxes and you say he did not, he did pay his taxes and didn't quit them, and he told his disciples to go and work, even as he did, so that they may pay the roman taxes and enter the city, for that was righteous. and he lived not on them, nor off of them, but was more humble and meek than General Lee.

you play a pharisee tricked by unseen demons as all men are from all walks of life, and God has not smitten you, you that you can yet be forgiven.

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>>2629328
and let that be the end of it gfool, my God cares not for fools but they suffer death and scream, and if their screams are valid, he hears them, and if invalid like lucifer and his "dragons" who are all pajeets, he laughs

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>>2629328
>him not paying taxes
LoL
He did
Also i think you forgot that if you do not gain any money you do not pay taxes off of that money LoL

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>>2629335
All of the import shit Jesus did was after he quit his job in his 30s, why the fuck are you arguing this point?

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>>2629342
it is important to teach others responsibility, that is the point, for i too am retired in my 30's and JEsus had paid for me to even come off crosses even if im crucified

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>>2629341
So he quit his job, thus stopped paying taxes. Again, why are you arguing with me, just because you're bored?

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>>2629344
Jesus wouldn't be seen as "responsible" in modern society. Do you not understand that aspect of this conversation? Or are you ignoring it?

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>>2629350
he would be, carpentry is a difficult work, and no libral believes in handiman jobs.

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>>2629356
So if I'm a carpenter and I quit my job and just walk around with a bunch of unemployed people bartering and living off the land, will normal people see me as "responsible"? Are you high on drugs or are you just bored looking for responses?

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Democracy is shirk
The proof is: Quran 3:85 and 4:65
Also, democracy says that hukm (judgement) is in the hands of the masses of men, but the Quran says hukm belongs only to Allah (12:40)

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>>2629359
Jesus deserved to be a king but was a carpenter without complaints, kys kike

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>>2629361
How does this correlate to what I said, please explain to me

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>>2629364
debunk here nigger or get ass cancer, and yeah my life is staked on it.
https://soyjak.st/pol/thread/2629363.html

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>>2629360
I had this explained to me by Islamics. They view Jesus as just another prophet that is there to send a message to us, like other prophets. Meaning when you die and go to after life, if you tell them that you did what you did because you were following Jesus, Jesus will tell them that he never told you to do that, and that he was just sent to spread the word of god(allah). This goes against traditional Christian ideal that Jesus is savior/christ. When you brought up "hukm" judgement by men, that's an indictment of Christianity. Christian culture is based off judging the actions of others, which led to jesus' crucification. Islamics believe that ultimately God decided to crucify Jesus once his message was delivered

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>>2629102
>>29 genocides on ethnic Syrians who aren't Muslims
Marge? I haven't heard of this

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>>2629385
Muslims are commanded to judge by Allah's law (Quran 5:44, 49), so when the Quran says judgement is only for Allah, it means that humans cant make the rules, only Allah can
basically humans can make judgements but the judgements have to be based on divine law

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>>2629391
>Marge

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what are you guys talking abot

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>>2629396
then muslims are gnostics
>my god cannot be known

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>>2629391
alawites persecution is happening today, the sunni have a high ground right now after assad downfall

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>>2629396
So do islamics think Jesus was suicidal and that he claimed to be the son of God with the intention of being crucified, to start a new religion? Because I've noticed people have been empathyzing with judas, with the rationale that he was right to kill Jesus because it was what needed to be done to begin chritianity

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>>2629408
not watching all that, how does only judging by divine laws equal to being agnostic?
>>2629413
no Muslims dont think that, Muslims believed Jesus preached Tawhid (Islamic monotheism), they don't believe he claimed to be the son of God, such a concept is negated in the Quran

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>>2629427
you refuse to see evidence because
1. you are not white
2. don't deserve to be white
final judgement will give you your true skin color.

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>>2629427
they also beliece he wasnt crucified and that both the new and old testament are corrupted

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>>2629450
So it sounds like the whole basis of islam is "yes Jesus existed but it's not what you think"

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>>2629447
im the mormon aryan, im whiter and more acheived, and your entire life would not acheive what id id by my 30's, sad, wonder what you'll do now since ive posted my skin 3 times and made everyone rage.

wonder what pathetic shit you have for a mindset based out of some abuse you had in middle school or highschool, or how you got mistreated at your job or because how ugly you are no attractive girl ever looked at you.

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>>>2629447 (You)
>im the mormon aryan, im whiter and more acheived, and your entire life would not acheive what id id by my 30's, sad, wonder what you'll do now since ive posted my skin 3 times and made everyone rage.
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>wonder what pathetic shit you have for a mindset based out of some abuse you had in middle school or highschool, or how you got mistreated at your job or because how ugly you are no attractive girl ever looked at you.

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>>2629493
yeah you would cope with shit like that

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>>2629497
why are you such an angry faggot dude

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>>2629055 (OP)
Everybody in history believed this until very recently

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>>2629504
sometimes someone who sounds more reasonable sounds angry to hateful leftist lgbt tards

but i guess that's your problem like mine, because it really does work that way right vs wrong, you just presumed you knew what right is and got crushed.

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>>2629516
We are t leftists like bro. Ur just autistic

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>>2629522
but the way i see it

anybody who thinks im wrong and that they are right, but havent the same files as me for backup, are the posers and shouldn't run their mouths…

I'll be at the return, but I'll be alive unlike Mephistopheles… the 2000 year old jew is going to be a ghost, not an immortal unlike me.

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>>2629516
yeah i get it, leftist doesn't understand realpolitik anyway

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>>2629558
what came first, common sense, or logic?



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