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>>2617185Really? Now its seca who are the corporatists
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>>2617191Nigga thinks the economy is zero sum.
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>>2617195show me the studies
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>>2617201Made shit up award
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>>2617170everything is exploitative buddy and ur shitflinging ideology isnt different, you will not escape the force of will, you will only limit it. the state shouldnt be a force, a nanny i may say, to enforce its will over EVERYBODY, a large piece of territory, rather segregated and split into smaller administrative regions separate from a larger state
what do you not get that private security can do everything the state can? they can put down strikes as much as the state can, they can be the negotiator as much as the state can
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>>2617191the people who made the companies worked hard for what they achieved so i think its fair
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>>2617200nigga thinks there is no wage theft
nigga thinks capital owners actually earn anything
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>>2617203this is true no matter what we do we are always slaves
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>>2617203>everything is exploitativegeg geg geg
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too long didnt read shit nophono gives a fuck about btw
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>>2617207Theft is when you voluntarily do something for money i guess.
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>>2617185evendoe communism is an anti state ideology?
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>>2617218it is "voluntary" but if I do not do it I die.
there is this thing called coercion you know?
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fascism sounds way cooler cuz the commies are just leaking in the replies
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>>2617219The Direct democracy commiepedotroons advocate for is just anarcho-tyranny, if you have some elected council of resource distribution it's no different from a stalinist regime in practice.
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do aussiecucks really?
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>>2617203there is no will being enforced. the people and the state are one.
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>>2617232is that not enforcing the states will that the people should be conjoined into one
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>>2617226Wow you have to produce value to society to get value. How terrible. You SHOULD have the right to rape kids and get free healthcare and food for doing nothing.
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>>2617228communists think that there should be no state and everything owned by workers, so yes its true. USSR was worker controlled (at least in theory, but it is complicated). I have formal education is politics so I dont know why you are getting so angry at this basic knowlege that I was taught first thing.
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>>2617226this is just the same for anything
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>>2617238I agree, capital owners dont produce anything of value to society.
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>>2617238>you should starve even when we produce enough food for everyonegeeeeg do capitalist cucks really?
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>>2617245Yeah, You agree that you should be able to rape kids, obviously. That's the whole point of ancomism.
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>>2617241quote from marx where he says that?
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>>2617239every single time in history when anything has been worker controlled it has resulted in bureaucracy and on a national scale that is not possible without the state
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>>2617249capital owners dont produce anything but are rich from stealing, prove me wrong instead of insulting me please.
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>>2617253search up Tuneyadstvo
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>>2617257They dunk a bunch of money into a factory to produce goods that people like and the workers don't have to pay the cost whilst reaping part of the profit. Bosses provide stability and reliable income whilst they eat the risk. Because risk is an aspect of value. That's why insurance companies exist.
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>>2617254the point of the USSR (which I assume you are referencing) was to establish worker coops and eventually let the state disolve, but that didnt happen due to complex political problems which has caused you to become biased against it and think it was authoritarian. can you provide study proving worker co-ops do not work or require outside bureaucracy?
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>>2617263>they produce value because they buy the means of productionthis is circular logic, all of their money comes from stealing in the first place.
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>>2617271No they produce value by creating the means of production and raking the risks of that investment. The reason people work is because the investment is risky and/or they could not afford to build a factory.
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>>2617267ye u can just take in account the bankruptcy of the fagor group in 2013
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>>2617280not related at all. can you explain why capital owners are necessary for me to work? they provide nothing.
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I hate everyone even those who agree with me
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>>2617278workers create the means of production and the capitalists steal it actually. you simply must put ur faith in the market like a religious idol to believe this.
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>>2617294You're just making assertions without refuting what i'm saying or substantiating what your saying with any logical reasoning.
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>>2617296workers create the means of production, markets are not valid indicators of functional use and having faith in market prices ignores labour cost of producing commodity. how is this not a refutation?
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>>2617287everything here is just what I have also been point out, where does he say that other workers must die? I do not think you have even read the page you have just sent me.
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>>2617306this is apparently the political genius
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>>2617298worker coops are not everywhere because capitalists have historically prevented them from forming. I have answered the question in the article there. all this article says the that people might be "lazy" lol try look at capital owners for an example of that.
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>>2617312geg if you are so intelligent explain what is wrong in the page I have been sent. I have just re-read it any everything there appears to be correct, it is simply refuting ur argument that disappearance of class property means end of production.
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>>2617298geg I have now read this entire article you have linked me and it is literally pro co-op and also refutes ur arguments. It is a same that a fellow countryman is so retarded, was this article the first result of a google search with my question?
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>>2617334nah dis blvd is so obsessed