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>If you don't want to die for mudslimes or jews you are le bad
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>>2432288It's not about dying or fighting, you are just another useful idiot tool for kikes to hijack and occupy your government. You need to be anti-israel even if it means enemy of an enemy is a friend
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>>2432286 (OP)Bibi is also white then
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>>2432297>>99% muslim>>2432293nigger you are worse than a useful idiot, blaming da juice while chinks and communist subvert the government
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>>2432314Why even care about international politics at all, just go to a Brazilian forum
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>>2432318The tariffs on coffee heavily affected my peace of mind
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>>2432321If Israel attacks or heavily damages Iran, or if Iran decides to shut down the strait of Hormuz, your gas prices will go up too
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>>2432286 (OP)what if i want both to lose and i want both to die?
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>>2432328they wouldnt because they can just defend the land they have for a long time geg
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cant we eat popcorn while they kill eachother
i hate both equally and both fuck lil boys
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>>2432325Why do you even care about Palestinians living in Palestine, how do they affect you at all
I can think of multiple of how Israelis affect your though
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>>2432331You're delusional, that's the problem
What's gonna actually happen is that the kikes in Israel will kill some Palestinians, and the rest will flee, being welcomed into your country by the kikes who are running your government.
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>>2432332the jewish elite doesnt like the west because they remember how hard the romans btfo so id ont like them for that reason and also they are pretty violent. the palestinians also hate the west and are violent. both are retarded apes who dont deserve my support
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>>2432286 (OP)Its ok to be neutral
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>>2432337>>2432332also you think the modern jewish state will be here in the next 100 years but you are thinking in terms of ancient israel not modern day israel where they havent been there for hundreds of years and only came in 1948. i highly doubt the current israeli state will be here in the next 100 years
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>>2432337>Xhe thinks they won't run into our countries anywaylol lmao even
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>>>2432331 (You)
>You're delusional, that's the problem
supporting israel: cucking to kikes who hate everything about you and own your fucking nation
supporting palestine: in the crowd with shitskins and trannys who also hate everything about you
were fucked either way
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I dont care about any muslim gazan or israeli jew. They can and should kill each other.
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>>2432350well with increased failings of world government eventually in a few decades the people will revolt. this will happen in china america and russia
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>>>2432350 (You)
>"few decades"
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>just wait bro
having any sign of hope is a jewish mindtrick to make you submit even more
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>>2432352I hope a serb jumps inside your window and beats your skull with a brick you disgusting slavshit
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>>2432364ye maybe i should just eat goyslop all day and donate to the WEF then
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>>2432347A massive part of Palestinian nationalism is the huge diaspora returning to Palestine btw, Neutral/Supporting Israel is the same shit and it involves israel sperging out at it's neighbors (see syria, lebanon) flooding your country and Israelis seething at them for keeping their identity and returning to their homelands (OY VEY JUST ASSIMILATE AND NEVER COME BACK!!!)
This muh both sides is just cowardly and illogical whether from a humanitarian angle or a selfish little fuck nativist, just admit you're a Jewish supremacist zionist schizo.
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>>2432369Hamas wasn't cowardly, they were too brave for their own good
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>>2432369i hate both sides and i want both of them to die doe
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>>2432374So you're just arrogant because one side isn't white or something
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>>2432377both sides arent white GEGGGGG
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>>2432369It's because they're brown and hate jews
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>>2432378Yeah thats what I mean. I mean at the end of the day, one can help you and one can kill and destroy you and your culture. Its your choice for whoever to pick
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>>2432381both sides want to destroy my culture doe. the elite in israel hate america and the west because the romans stayed around the longest to keep destroying them over and over and the plestininians have always hated the west like the jews
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>>2432382Only reason why thats true is because your governments are hostile towards them. In reality, palestinians don't think about the death of the "White people" in a generalized collective manner. Thats jewish mindcontrol.
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once and for all who is more useful
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>>2432381>muslims will help you and wont destroy your cultureallah tier bait
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>>2432390Ba'al tier bait doebeit
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>>2432388we are talking about culture they want to destroy american culture and western culture in general. skin color matters less. and wdym the middle east has been aggressive to america and europe forever bro. also your argument is that "if you dont support my opinion and my side your a jewish plant" we no reasoning as to why i should support the palestinians
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>>2432393What part of western culture? Christianity? You really think some palestinian would care about someone that's not harming on the other side of the world? You're just exaggerating their hate towards america. Its dishonesty on your side to think that somehow translate into the total destruction of European culture.
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>>2432397ye i have no reason to think the middle east would be anti european. jsut dont take into account 9/11 or the numerous other attacks on europe or the fact they believe in a religion that outwardly tells there followers to kill anyone who doesnt believe in islam but go off sis
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>>2432397idc about dishonesty because we have de jure power over the world
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>>2432401The same ISIS that killed hundreds of muslims? And thats not even involving shias.
>go off sisGooned to genderswap for the thrembillionth time award
>>2432402Im talking about you nigga not your country collectively
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>>2432404ye they killed muslims that said they were not following the quran by commiting violence. im part of that culture that rules the world so it doesnt matter what i think or you think. we are winning and that is all that matters
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>>2432407Okay nigga gfru then
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>>2432414>gfru idk what this means but again you cant defend your points at all so stfu
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>>2432418Gfru= Good for you
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>>2432418You basically admitted that morality means nothing as long as your winning so basically anything goes for you geg.
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>>2432421Good im glad you hate me but realize this you also live in the west so no matter how much you shit on america or europe you are a part of the club and no matter how much you fight that you will be in the club forever lil nigga
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>>2432423usually the enemies of western culture like to mention strength and power but then get mad and cry victim when more powerful western countires destroy them but in reality would do the same
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>>2432401i think the hate for europe and america the average middle eastern citizen has, has to do less with the religion and more with the things the government of said countries have done to their people and their support for israel.
actually now that i think about it the religion does play a role because it leads them to see these civilizations as "degenerate" or in a bad light i doubt most muslims would want you dead, but they probably generalize your people just like you generalize them and view you as retarded niggers.
>>2432404Isis is one of the hundreds of islamic extremist groups, many islamic terror attacks in european soil are perpetrated by lone actors (stabbings and so on)
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>>2432424I don't hate you retard, I could care less about what you think because it rally doesn't matter
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>>2432423morality means everything to me. and neither palestine or israel really have a moral or legal mandate to kill children so the only thing they can understand is strength and violence and the west is the best at it
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>>2432429Yes there were ones in algeria but they all follow the exact same doctrine meaning they all act the exact same. Just cus a random group thats not called ISIS doesn't mean they same how act differently.
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>>2432432Okay I agree with that, so then would you agree with me pulling your involvement out of the war is beneficial or a net negative?
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>>2432429honestly i would respect leaders in middle easterner countries if they just said we were degens and hated us for that instead of crying victim like faggots
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>>2432437ye we shouldnt help either of them they should be left to rot in the sandbox tbh
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>>2432438Okay thats also true
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>>2432444wow we mostly agree thats insane…
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>>2432444its crazy because zionism is only kept alive by a minority and most people in israel are atheists GEG
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>>2432450People who descend around the world from jews are generally tolerant or are supportive to jewish people.
I appreciate neutrality because it doesnt take away anything from someones character, its all down to wit
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Retarded Amerimutt watched too much spic Fuentes and thought he was a genius
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>>2432461honestly the modern jewish state isnt like ancient israel modern israel was a ploy by a group of leaders to justify their rule through religion and the protected class that the jews were granted by hundreds of years of being scapegoated and killed. ironically if the jews were are subjugated as they were throughout history hitler probably couldve killed even more without getting as much shit
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>>2432479Yeah that is if they didnt have such a hold on government institutions in america and in Europe.
At the end of the day its not Europes fight or America's, it never was. And if all sides were neutral then we would've won a long time ago.
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>>2432493ye i mean look at literally any other similar religious minority group like the jews no one cares nearly as much about them… moral of the story dont be obsessed and you win in the end…
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>>2432493if it was just them getting barred from certain jobs or industires that would have been fine for people but because europe decided to be so obsessed with them and actively kill them / destroy there homes they managed to gain massive sympathy which in turn gave them the power modern day israel has
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>>2432489awful xitter 'jak
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>>2432433its not that hard to understand why they all do this, most of the muslim killing commited by these groups are military related, their governments oppose their extremist ideas and try to end these groups due to their violent tendencies, they cant really go around creating some islamic caliphate or some shit while coexisting with their governments which they view as "un-islamic", and since they oppose their extremist views they view them as apostates and enemies of islam.
some groups like isis and boko haram are extremely extreme since they do not only target military but they also specifically target other sunni muslims just for living under the "apostate" government, but many of the minor groups arent really like this and they mostly just go around fucking with the military and killing non-believers and shias, i remember this one recent attack in jeetland where this one group called the TFR specifically singled out non-believers from muslims and started executing them
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>>2432510all of this because one brown pedo decided to use war to spread his bullshit idealogy GEGGG
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>>2432510Mfs need to stop selling shitskins with Room temperature IQ weapons and guns
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>>2432518we should like heckin give iran bombs to help the contras o algo
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what if you hate both doe
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>>2432517Thats applicable to all religions. It doesn't really matter its just larp at the end of the day
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>>2432518racism is haram saar
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>>2432522well you can have a religon that enforces social unity and morality and another that justifies killing women and marrying kids doe. you can say its all larp but christianty defo is better then islam for overall social unity…
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>>2432527Social unity and cohesion is defined by understanding an authority in Islam. Not to beat a dead horse hear but the HRE demonstrated that Christianity fails at social cohesion when schisms and divides begin to arise.
Any religion under a different context can probably lead to death destruction and doom and just matters on what you believe.
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>>2432527Islam also can't really help a social divide since it arises from people being retarded but at least it can separate the extra-religious people with blasphemous ideals than to allow multiple interpretations to ruin at religion reputation (Wahabis)
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Nuclear energy wonned or something
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>>2432532schisms and divides happen in any system. religion is the best at avoiding thius but it still happens and christianty is the best out of all religons of doing this. to me its not about finding the perfect system its about finding the system that ensures the largest number of humanity are unified for the longest period of time before natural human impulses and evil breaks it.
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>>2432527i wonder how russian muslims fare against russian christbvlls
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>>2432532>Social unity and cohesion is defined by understanding an authority in Islam. i dont understand what you meant by this can you elaborate
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>>2432535well any system that outgroups others like that just based on belief and justifes violence against themi n there holy books wont be the key to global human unity
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>>2432540Okay so you understand how authority plays a role in politics, right? Well in Islam, social stability and cohesion is defined by understanding and respecting authority (Legitimacy).
>>2432542Yes but some religions are more tolerant and some others aren't. Christianity has grown to be a little more tolerant but back then they were much more hostile.
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>>2432547your confusing governments using religon and misinterpreting it to justify their filth and violence with the actual verses and lessons taught in the bible. the lessons and verses in the quran have always and will always justify violence and filth no matter what government or system to culture they are in. christianty like you say has changed and adapted to the times because at its core it is a religion of love and peace whereas islam can never be at its core
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>>2432556>the lessons and verses in the quran have always and will always justify violence and filth no matter what government or system to culture they are inThe same can be said about christianity, that is if we cherry pick the bad from the good.
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>>2432557SEE cherry pick. ALL the verses in the quran justify there violence whereas you literally have to take verses out of context from the bible to say its violent geg
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>>2432557ive seen muslims online take verses from the quran to try to justify how its peaceful but in context its always some sort of hedonistic action or violent one
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>>2432557No it can't be said. Those two are significantly different and history shows it. And before you try, a verse in the Old Testament describing some bad historical event is not equal to it condoning that.
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>>2432561this bro this. the quran condones and JUSTIFIES the shitty actions their followers do…
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>>2432547but "respecting an authority" doesnt really guarantee social stability? runless im not understanding something
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>>2432564he is saying respecting authority because if you dont then god will punish you. basically using fear of god to ensure people self police and respect the government
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>>2432559>>2432560It's not even that, the Bible if read as a whole text doesn't support either militarism or pacifism. It is selective in where either should be applied.
>>2432564No, it only guarantees that people will behave for a time. If they get too angry they will just explode. And you can see this in history of islam, their states almost immediately stagnate and collapse to internal infighting if they stop expanding.
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but if Israel kills all palirats then they can't flee to Europe
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>>2432569wdym? the bible is mostly peaceful then it does use violence. the only case i know of from the bible where its ok to use violence is when its defense against someone who is doing objectively evil acts
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>>2432560>>2432559>AllHmm lets see here
Surah at-Tawbah 9:5
"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.
But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Surah al-Baqarah 2:191
") Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing.202 Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers."
Surah at-Tawbah 9:29
"al-Shafi'i, the Imam of the Salaf from the 8th century notably made the judgement that this verse applies on the basis of religion rather than external aggression, and that the payment of the jizya is one of two modes by which a disbelieving man from the religion of the people of the Book can save his blood from being spilled. After mentioning the verse 9:29,
al-Shafi'i commented: So Allah protected the blood of those who follow the religion of the People of the Book either by their conversion into Islam (iman) or by their paying the Jizyah from their hands, while feeling themselves humiliated"
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>>2432576After mentioning the diverse array of interpretations, the influential scholar Al-Razi (d. 606/1210) quotes an early exegetical authority, Abu Rawq (d. 140/757), who said that this verse was not a unilateral condemnation of all Jews and Christians, but those "who do not heed the prescriptions contained in the Torah and the Gospel, respectively", while the famous Andalusian scholar al-Qurtubi (d. 671/1273) "did not read into Qur'an 9:29 a wholesale denunciation of the People of the Book as an undifferentiated collectivity."[2]:278-279
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>>2432576Jami` at-Tirmidhi Hadith 3016 "On the Day of Awtas, we captured some women who had husbands among the idolaters. So some of the men disliked that, so Allah, Most High, revealed: And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess… (4:24)"
Abu Sa'id Al Khudri said "The Apostle of Allaah(salla Allah `alayhi wa-sallam) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of Apostle of Allaah (salla Allah `alayhi wa-sallam) were reluctant to have relations with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So, Allaah the exalted sent down the Qur'anic verse "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand posses." This is to say that they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.
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>>2432576also christianty doesnt call for violence if they are a non believer and only if they repent do you stop attacking them but ok
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>>2432574Well yeah, for self-defense or offense against those who are doing abominable acts (such as child sacrifice). Also for internal policing, allows and regulates death sentences, beatings and slavery for punishment.
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>>2432576(So when the Sacred Months have passed…), meaning, `Upon the end of the four months during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolators, and which is the grace period We gave them, then fight and kill the idolators wherever you may find them.' Allah's statement next,
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>>2432576(and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather, seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam,
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>>2432576>but if they should repent, establish prayer and give zakahso convert and pay me taxes or die?
>the payment of jizyah is one of two modes by which a disbeliebing man can save his blood from being spilledpay jizyah and submit to me or die?
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>>2432587Why did you ignore the part that I highlighted in red
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>>2432586well it isnt a peaceful verse at all GEG
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>>2432590just because your peaceful once they give into your demands isnt peaceful? its extortion
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>>2432593No , that applies to the people that fought the muslims, as long as they repented they are okay. Please understand context
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>>2432588(And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Haram, unless they fight you there. But if they attack you, then fight them. )2:191 Allah said here,
wakhudhuwhum
(and capture them), executing some and keeping some as prisoners,
Ignored the important part of the thrembillion time award
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>>2432594and i just send like 4 verses that show the opposite. so even beyond the context of those texts it shows that no matter what if your a non believer you will be killed by muzzies and you will have your women taken and sold into slavery
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>>2432594It actually just applies to everyone who isn't muslim on this planet Earth. Stop trying to use taqiyya on people who aren't ignorant. Most of the "peaciful" verse were given at the time when muhamed couldn't fight as he didn't have enough followers, then when he got enough followers those verse magically got abrogated and then you have the warmongering ones.
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answer this nigga i dont get how you can say ts shit is peaceful
>>2432595>>2432589 â„–2432602[Quote]
>>2432595and i just showed that even if you dont wage war upon muslims they will still attack and are told to by allah.
Quran 9:29
Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued.
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>>2432596You really didn't show shit, all you did was actively recycle the same arguments, ignore the context of the verses by ignoring previous or latter parts and attempt to virtue signal by claiming "Le jizya and le tax is actually le bad against people actively living in your land and plotting against you"
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>>2432600Its a 3v1 right now hold on
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>>2432602That part of the verse comes right before, so no, you didnt show shit
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>>2432604so because people wish harm upon you but dont act on it you should attack them even if they havent done anything? GEGGG
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>>2432599So we're just gonna ignore the fact the quran was talking about people actively harming the propagation of the religion. Just stfu already.
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>>2432535Are you putting wahhabis fall under the category blasphemous extra-religious even doe the reform was precisely to eliminate the kind of fragmentation and contradictory that historically caused division in other religions? Which also counterpoints islam cant help social divide claim
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>>2432610Who said that dumbass, all we said is that people who actively want to spill your blood should submit to you and pay tax? Are you seriously contradicting what you just said earlier?
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>>2432612Tafsir:
The Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers, the Closest, then the Farthest Areas Allah commands the believers to fight the disbelievers, the closest in area to the Islamic state, then the farthest. This is why the Messenger of Allah salla Allah `alayhi wa-sallam started fighting the idolators in the Arabian Peninsula. When he finished with them and Allah gave him control over Makkah, Al-Madinah, At-Ta'if, Yemen, Yamamah, Hajr, Khaybar, Hadramawt and other Arab provinces, and the various Arab tribes entered Islam in large crowds, he then started fighting the People of the Scriptures. He began preparations to fight the Romans who were the closest in area to the Arabian Peninsula, and as such, had the most right to be called to Islam, especially since they were from the People of the Scriptures
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>>2432614Im talking about the wahabism twisted by ISIS for their own political goals
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>>2432612Piss off dirty liar. Your cherry-picking won't change history. muslims ARE CALLED to war upon non-muslims. Do you think that Levant and North African provinces of Byzantium were warring upon the arabs?
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>>2432621Quran 47:34 Tafsir Al-Jalalayn
Indeed those who disbelieve and bar from the way of God His path namely guidance and then die as disbelievers God will never forgive them - this was revealed regarding the men of the Well al-qalib.
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>>2432619>Muh romeThat can be explained by border conflicts and traditional causes of wars. Again the previous parts of verses still apply here
>>2432622Eat a dick you balkan cocksucker, go fucking cry about serbs somewhere else slavshit
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>>2432628yes so? "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God". John 3;18
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>>2432629ah so they mention specfically non believers and the goal posts changes to traditoional causes of wars. how is it just about border conflict when they spefically mention there non islamic beliefs?
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>>2432606can you answer it now
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>>2432621Then I agree their extremism has nothing to do with the actual Wahhabi reform or its purpose
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>>2432635sure
>>2432600No, they have to pay jizya to live, I don't think they get killed for paying jizya but instead probably expulsed
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah … among the People of the Book until they give the jizya willingly while being in a state of compliance."
"Except for those polytheists with whom you have a treaty… fulfill it to the end of its term."
"So long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them."
"There is no compulsion in religion."
Malik's school rules:
The ruler may enforce the tax
If refusal is part of rebellion > it becomes a political rebellion, not a jizya issue
No death penalty for mere non-payment
Source:
Sahnun, al-Mudawwana, vol. 1, p. 351-353.
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>>2432634I mean this is why you can't argue with muslims, they literally are allowed and encouraged by their religion to lie and be deceitful. You can't argue with someone like that.
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>>2432632GEGGGGG so just condemning non believers is the same as actively supporting violence against them? (Leviticus 19:33-34) when a foreigner lives in your land, you must not mistreat them, and should treat them as you would a native-born person "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" Luke 6:27-28 and 6:35
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>>2432636My previous statement already emphasizes that, are you here to help me or to add to the fact 3 people are already arguing with me all at the same time
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>>2432645i am I'm just looking back at the previous replies to understand the context of this debate
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>>2432643That verse you quoted is the exact same in terms of meaning as the one I quoted.
"Indeed those who disbelieve and bar from the way of God His path namely guidance and then die as disbelievers God will never forgive them - this was revealed regarding the men of the Well al-qalib."
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God". John 3;18
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>>2432639To reiterate here because I made some mistakes
No, they don't have to pay jizya to live, I don't think they get killed for not paying jizya but instead probably expulsed
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>>2432649ye i see you were saying those quotes were the same not about violence that islam commits but i have also showned verses that are in the bible that promote peace with non believers and foreigners not violence like the quran does
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>>2432648Morality and islam
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>>2432639im quoting one of your earlier posts right now, warrior-gpt
>jizya is one of two modes by which a disbelieving man from the religion of the people of the Book can save his blood from being spilled. After mentioning the verse 9:29,>al-Shafi'i commented: So Allah protected the blood of those who follow the religion of the People of the Book either by their conversion into Islam (iman) or by their paying the Jizyah from their hands, while feeling themselves humiliated"<there is no compulsion of religionwould forcing non believers to pay jizyah or die contradict this?
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>>2432652I have done the same
>>2432655>I can't make thoughtful responses therefore I'm an envious retard and you're chatgptDumbass nigga,
>jizya is one of two modes by which a disbelieving man from the religion of the people of the Book can save his blood from being spilled. After mentioning the verse 9:29,>>al-Shafi'i commented: So Allah protected the blood of those who follow the religion of the People of the Book either by their conversion into Islam (iman) or by their paying the Jizyah from their hands, while feeling themselves humiliated"You do realize al shafi and al maliki are 2 different schools of though and I follow al maliki? Dumbass nigga?
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>>2432650But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9:5) ye tehy also have to pay tax. they have to fully submit or they will be killed
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>>2432658Hanafi jurists wrote:
If someone is poor > no jizya
If he refuses > the governor demands it again
No execution unless it escalates into armed revolt
Source:
al-Sarakhsi, al-Mabsut, vol. 10, p. 96-97.
Fuck it nigga even al HANAFI agrees with me
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>>2432658then why the fuck did you quote al shaif you retarded gpt nigger read your own posts
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>>2432664I didn't use chatgpt for that responses you fucking Argentinian chimpanzee junglefucker, Im showing the different perspective of the different schools of thought on this issue.
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and it shows the hate and violence the muslims have on non believers when they have to tax them to live there GEGGGG
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>>2432664In al-Umm (vol. 4, pages 213-215), he rules:
If a dhimmi cannot pay > they are excused
If able but refusing > the ruler compels payment
If they remain defiant > it becomes a treaty violation, not a crime
Consequences fall under state enforcement, not execution
There is no prescribed death penalty
So al-Shafi'i is stricter in enforcing compliance, not harsher in punishment.
Must be a bad source because al shafi doesn't seem to be the same and is stricter, i do have the link if you want it. Must be a misinterpretation of what al shafi actually said.
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>>2432668Nigga just learned the word geg
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>>2432670>has to use ai to get his sourcesgeg
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>Statics assignment due mondayFucking hate niggers
>>2432671When did I admit to that though
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>>2432672because you just do o algo
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>>2432673better safe than sorry geg
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>>2432663i do not understand how these schools of thought can derive to these conclusions,
>if someone is poor no jizyahfrom what i know the quran does not state this, it simply says to make the people of the book pay jizyah
>No execution unless it escalates into armed revolt< Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.this verse is practically just saying "fight the people of the book (in general) until they pay you jizyah while being subdued"
< and also if youre so familiar with the books could you send a screenshot of the page?
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>>2432676im safe in the knowledge that islam is and will always be a violent caveman pedo belief and christianty is much much better
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>>2432664Kek
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>>2432677I follow the schools of thought because thats literally what everyone does. Thats literally rule in islam, if you don't then you are missing something.
Im not familiar with any of them but I can send you all the books right here
Al shafi:
al-Umm, vol. 4, p. 214
al-Umm, vol. 4, p. 215
Hanafi
al-Mabsut, vol. 10, p. 96
al-Mabsut, vol. 10, p. 97
Maliki
al-Mudawwana, vol. 1, p. 351
al-Mudawwana, vol. 1, p. 353
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>>2432672nigga stop religious shitflinging on /pol/ and finish your statistics assignment
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>>2432687alright well. gbye niggas
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>>2432687You don't understand allah told him to defend Islam from the infedels from pol
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>>2432691Warrior Z and the legend of the LLLLLLLLLLZZZZ
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>>2432689bye im just glad your not a actual mudslime
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>>2432682so youre not familiar but you know all the pages and volumes exactly, yeah sure thing gpt at least send me a screenshot
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>>2432692warrior p is le apostate infidel becauz he reject hadith or something
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>>2432286 (OP)I support israel because israel support islamic azerbaijan against armenian infidel, while bunch of palis support armenicuck kuffar Who turn mosque in karabakh into a pig farm
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>>2432286 (OP)I want them both to lose.
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