/int/ - International

>>251366


Sure, want to explain to me why sardinia, Sicily, Crete, & basque countries tend to be the swarthiest places in Europe on average?

The fact that the populations in Europe with the highest amount of farmer ancestry don't share these traits, but those with the highest frequency of WSH ancestry do, should be pretty telling.

Blondism with rufuous skin originated in ANE populations which then spread into europe through EHG & SHG ancestry, later through Steppe ancestry (Which was another vector of EHG).

The corded ware samples you listed had Light blonde & Red haired samples with pale-tanned skin.

You say that Sintashta & Fatyanovo sexually "selected lighter traits" even though they had 70% Corded ware & 30% GAC ancestry, but who's to say that GAC/TRB didn't do the exact same with their ~30% SHG ancestry?

The fact that the populations in Europe with the highest amount of farmer ancestry (Scotland_N, Britain_N, Spain_N, Hungary_N_Starcevo, Mycanaean Greece, etc.) don't share these traits, but those with the highest frequency of WSH ancestry do, should be pretty telling.

Keep coping, the spread of blondism & red hair came from an ANE Vector which was especially prevalent in the Corded cultures and was present in the Yamnaya cultures.


The average corded ware skull is no different from a proto-nordic/aisto-nordic phenotype in robustness & dolichocephaly.

>>251366

Can you snoop around to link other HIRISPLEX samples of early corded ware cultures, like Swedish BAC/Dagger-Period, Estonian/Latvian CWC, Ukranian Srubnaya, and Polish ones?

>>251374
>Sure, want to explain to me why sardinia, Sicily, Crete, & basque countries tend to be the swarthiest places in Europe on average?
Because there was a lot of phenotypical variation between EEF populations, likely as a result of differing amounts of WHG ancestry and sexual selection
>Blondism with rufuous skin originated in ANE populations which then spread into europe through EHG & SHG ancestry, later through Steppe ancestry (Which was another vector of EHG).
KITLG originated in the ANE, but there are other genes associated with the likelihood of blondism such as HERC2 and SLC45A2 which were pretty common amongst WHG groups and consequently GAC. AfontovaGora 3, the progenitor of KITLG was swarthy by the way.
>You say that Sintashta & Fatyanovo sexually "selected lighter traits" even though they had 70% Corded ware & 30% GAC ancestry, but who's to say that GAC/TRB didn't do the exact same with their ~30% SHG ancestry?
You're right, the Globular Amphorae probably DID select for lighter traits, we know this because they are lighter than their TBK predecessors. It's irrelevant to the point I'm trying to argue though; all I'm saying is that the GAC were light pigmented and the Corded-Ware became lighter because of mixing with them
>The fact that the populations in Europe with the highest amount of farmer ancestry (Scotland_N, Britain_N, Spain_N, Hungary_N_Starcevo, Mycanaean Greece, etc.) don't share these traits, but those with the highest frequency of WSH ancestry do, should be pretty telling.
Same thing as what I said earlier. English, Scottish and French Neolithic farmers were mostly brown eyed but they still had a fairly large minority of blonde hair and blue eyes.
>The corded ware samples you listed had Light blonde & Red haired samples with pale-tanned skin.
A strong minority. IIRC the Yamna samples with light features are the ones that have EEF admixture.
>Keep coping
About what? I think the WSH were white people who mixed with other intelligent white people (GAC). You seem to think that they were akin to niggers
>Can you snoop around to link other HIRISPLEX samples of early corded ware cultures, like Swedish BAC/Dagger-Period, Estonian/Latvian CWC, Ukranian Srubnaya, and Polish ones?
Sure thing. The Srubnaya were lighter but they came a thousand years after the Early CWC samples I posted and were 30% GAC

>>251382
also GACs dont have SHG because they have no EHG ancestry. they can be modeled as solely whg + marmara_barcin

>>251382

>Because there was a lot of phenotypical variation between EEF populations, likely as a result of differing amounts of WHG ancestry and sexual selection

Fair, but average phenotypes of every single EEF population with WHG always show them to be alpinoid/strandid with swarthy skin, hooked noses, and brown eyes with black hair.

>KITLG originated in the ANE, but there are other genes associated with the likelihood of blondism such as HERC2 and SLC45A2 which were pretty common amongst WHG groups and consequently GAC. AfontovaGora 3, the progenitor of KITLG was swarthy by the way.
>You're right, the Globular Amphorae probably DID select for lighter traits, we know this because they are lighter than their TBK predecessors. It's irrelevant to the point I'm trying to argue though; all I'm saying is that the GAC were light pigmented and the Corded-Ware became lighter because of mixing with them

Interesting, I found an ESL article linking Waters_Of_Memory being able to model GAC as 20-23% WHG with 1-4% EHG. The only possible way that this ANE vector could have entered into GAC and made them lighter compared to their TBK Ancestors is a Baltic_HG group.

Alongside sexual selection, most if not all GAC samples have I2a as their Y-Dna, meaning that it was a male mediated lightening from indigenous European Hunter Gatherers into these peoples with an ANE vector from the east. (Very ESL but you get the basic idea I'm a little drowsy)

>A strong minority. IIRC the Yamna samples with light features are the ones that have EEF admixture.

Can you prove this in admixture? I really don't want to run each RISE/I0 sample in g25.

>About what? I think the WSH were white people who mixed with other intelligent white people (GAC). You seem to think that they were akin to niggers

I really just can't get behind the idea that "early european farmers" were the main vector of whiteness that was introduced into CWC if CWC & Yamnaya were a very mixed genotypical culture with a basal skull phenotype of robust nordicness. It could easily be explained that redness/blondness inherent in those populations were already present (as you see) and were sexually selected for insularly, while they picked up farmer and HG ancestry from moving into europe. It just seems so jewish (Considering jews are like 60% EEF geg)

>>251384

qpadm & g25 agree, they have an EHG vector, possibly from being mixed with Baltic_HG instead of standard WHG.

Also, here's the model I want you to run.

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Part 2, initial one was too long.

here are mine for reference

SNCA

>>251395

you could also remove "yamnaya" if you want basal

>>251398

you're brown we get it

let the white adults talk

>>251401
nigga spaming SNCA in the brownies board tell me that im brown

>>251403

this is very interesting actually

>>251390
>Interesting, I found an ESL article linking Waters_Of_Memory being able to model GAC as 20-23% WHG with 1-4% EHG. The only possible way that this ANE vector could have entered into GAC and made them lighter compared to their TBK Ancestors is a Baltic_HG group.
Why not directly from SHG? The TBK and Pitted Ware overlapped in where they both lived so I don't see why it's impossible for EHG admixture in GAC to have originated from their ancestors mixing with Pitted Ware folk.
I also found this qpAdm model on shitter which suggests that the Funnelbeakers indeed had EHG and had it in greater proportions to the GAC. If it's Baltic in origin then the Funnelbeakers could've been up to 30-40% BHG which sounds kind of ridiculous but is a plausible explanation for why the GAC are so light.
>Can you prove this in admixture? I really don't want to run each RISE/I0 sample in g25.
I was talking out of my ass here, I compared some of these blonde Yamna samples to the rest on g25 and they cluster with each-other identically. I think I read that on eupedia or something kek
>I really just can't get behind the idea that "early european farmers" were the main vector of whiteness that was introduced into CWC if CWC & Yamnaya were a very mixed genotypical culture with a basal skull phenotype of robust nordicness. It could easily be explained that redness/blondness inherent in those populations were already present (as you see) and were sexually selected for insularly, while they picked up farmer and HG ancestry from moving into europe.
They definitely could've and probably would have selected for lighter traits without EEF ancestry given enough time, less so than what happened in the modern day but still to some extent. I think that mixing with the GAC just sped up the process.
>It just seems so jewish
It does but so does the idea of WHG having dark skin and groups like the Bell-Beakers who settled in Western Europe being migrants from the east. It all sounds like it serves an agenda if you think about it. Maybe Varg was right about Euros being Neanderthals

>>251397
Almost forgot.

>>251438

Yeah I didn't say WHG were dark skinned though, I actually made a decent case for WHG being light skinned due to the resergence of the specific cro-magnoid phenotypes in Wales & Norway in >>2767069. I know my first statement made it sound like I did imply that but I was only saying that because most of them were EEF dominate with only about 10-20% WHG.

To answer why I don't think it's directly from SHG, it's because in the post I sent the Sidelniko HG ancestry (EHG as a vector for ANE) in ratio to the WHG lines up more with Baltic HG than it does with Norway Mesolithic. TBK & Pitted Ware both overlapped on multiple occasions but Pitted Ware survived into Late Corded Ware & Early Nordic Bronze age before they were absorbed, which explains why some Swedes & Finns have higher EHG ancestry than surrounding Proto-Germanic Corded Ware pops like Norwegians or Icelandic peoples.

Also with the G25 model I didn't want you to turn yourself on it I wanted you to run the yamnaya blonde/red samples on it geg. You did though, and you saw that they overlapped with Yamna/Early CW without any EEF influence.

About the "Bell Beaker east to west" hypothesis, it's actually wrong, but also sort of right. It was a two way journey starting from Iberia. Baskid like populations (Proto-Bell beakers) moved into central europe and mixed with Czechia CW/Yamnaya mixed samples (There is evidence for Yamnaya samples individually travelling from the pontic steppe into Denmark & Czechia, as R1b-L51 originated in the catacomb culture which were a direct descendant from kurgan/yamna) and then they individually spread back out into Europe.

If it was just GAC mixing with the steppe samples, modern northern Europeans would be 70% steppe and 30% GAC. proto-bell beakers that are baskid-like evened that out to a 50-50 range.

>>251460

oops, IDK how to cross link from /pol/, but here is the ID number >>2767125

>>251460
>Yeah I didn't say WHG were dark skinned though
Marge, I never claimed that you did. I was just making a comparison
>To answer why I don't think it's directly from SHG, it's because in the post I sent the Sidelniko HG ancestry (EHG as a vector for ANE) in ratio to the WHG lines up more with Baltic HG than it does with Norway Mesolithic.
You can do this but you have to account for the inherit WHG ancestry that EEFs have without being admixed with SHG, BHG etc.. what is it, like 10-15%? So really it’s comparing the ratio of EHG to the excess WHG found in GACs
>Also with the G25 model I didn't want you to turn yourself on it I wanted you to run the yamnaya blonde/red samples on it geg
I got confused here I thought by ‘run admixture’ you meant admixtools
>About the "Bell Beaker east to west" hypothesis, it's actually wrong, but also sort of right. It was a two way journey starting from Iberia. Baskid like populations (Proto-Bell beakers) moved into central europe and mixed with Czechia CW/Yamnaya mixed samples (There is evidence for Yamnaya samples individually travelling from the pontic steppe into Denmark & Czechia, as R1b-L51 originated in the catacomb culture which were a direct descendant from kurgan/yamna) and then they individually spread back out into Europe
I’ve never read anything about this before but it sounds interesting. Might explain the apparent similarity between the Keltic type and Baskid, although I don’t take stuff about phenotypes too seriously
> If it was just GAC mixing with the steppe samples, modern northern Europeans would be 70% steppe and 30% GAC
Early British Bell Beakers were in that range weren’t they

>>251474
Forgot to turn my vpn off qeq

>>251474

There's a lot of evidence for early bell-beakers urheimat to be in Iberia, while the steppe vector for their ancestry came from Czech Corded Ware / Yamnaya fusion culture.

Also no, I'm pretty sure Southern/Central bell beaker steppe values were about 60-50%.

>>251481

Northern Bell Beaker steppe samples are strange to measure because they interacted with Late Stage Corded ware cultures.

>>250800
Am I white?

>>250736
How is it in Dakota?

>>251490

i'm from mid atlantic not dakotas

holy datamining

>>251505

be honest ausshit, what am (((I))) going to do with your g25 genetic distances

>>251507
not you, glowie lurkers
this is like publicly showing all your genes down to the exact decimal
or something
idk

>>251522

you don't even know ts pmo

All it's showing is where you plot ancestrally compared to population averages, not any of your STR or SNP genes.

idk what glowniggers are going to do knowing that my closest reference populations are germans and danish/swedish/east germanic vikings

bumo

>>251790
Aren’t you like 30% Slav?

>>251832

yeah

>>251832

if someone is like 50% ukranian and 50% norwegian they're going to be genetically northeast german

*swedish

now that isn't tosay germans are half slavic, they're just south shifted scando-germans because they mixed with paleo-balkan and celtic groups

>>251942
you're less slavic doey and you also have british dna which is going to shift you west towards northern germans
pca-based nationalism WABAG

>>251942
I wish there were PCA diagrams with 12 dimensions or more.
I remember I made one with 6 dimensions, but I had only ~21 free vectors of single nucleotide polymorphisms (I forgot where I downloaded them).

>>251972

R3P usually says i'm 50% english 25% moldovan_o/northwest croatian & polish and R2p Usually puts me as 55% Hungarian 45% norwegian

I might have some relict scythian ancestry and that's why I plot closer to them than every other average does in davidskis dataset. same with the Single grave samples from Djursland

everybeidore thread

can anyone prove ts

>>252153
Whats da other 25%

>>252157
Lesothan

>>252157

no fucking idea that's why i asked if anyphono can prove it

>>252160

sorry puerto rican but that "_o2" is a labelled such because it's an outlier

genetically it's northwestern european so it's probably a medieval crusader led by richard coeur de lion

>>252160
lebananese are white or something