/x/ - Paranormal/Schizo

kys lol

>I'm interested in occult practise (specifically symbolism) and I'm wondering where the best place to start is?

The truth is unfortunately, there is a CRAP load of bullshit out there. There are as many takes on occultism as there are in denominations for Christianity (not literally but u get the point). Not everyone agrees on the same shit. There are so many propositions and so many combinations of them, there are many worldviews as a result.

My question for you is why do you *care* exactly? Is it because of the Jewish cabal ruling the world, and we know they def do rituals and shit, and you wanna learn more? Ik you didnt ask, but in case thats whats happening (its the primary incentive to why people want to look into this stuff) my take is that these people dont really think they work necessarily, but instead do it because theyre just sick fucks. Same kind of attitude you observe with insufferable Reddit atheists who do fake rituals, but this time its taken to the extreme. But I am willing to update my takes, ofc.

Other than that? Dude. There is so much bullshit out there, and no core paradigm (not even a core metaphysical paradigm. Some are substance dualists, some are idealists, some hold to a specific idealism called Hermeticism, some are somehow physicalist, and some just dont gaf its really weird theyre largely normies tbf doe), its like near impossible to give a solid answer.

But if you can tell me *why* you wanna know this shit, that will help much more and maybe i can lend you a hand.

>>18710
Thanks for the clear cut answer nigga
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I have this weird relationship with the satanic pentagram. If I draw that shit unironically, or just view it or something, I notice I end up practising hedonism after. It’s hard to explain but I just feel like I summon this satanic kind of mindset. It’s so fucking weird but it’s the best example I can give towards my belief in symbolism.
I attribute meaning to shit all the time, I’d give examples but it’s entirely personal and irrelevant honestly.
All I know is that symbolism can have meaning I think. And designing your own kind of made me feel off kilter for a bit so I want to study this to see if there’s a way to go about it without sending mixed signals and accidentally summing bad shit to my life

>>18726
I’m aware you can just use words in this regard, to align yourself I mean.
I see symbolism as a more potent form of this however, I just want to align myself temporarily using symbolism.
I’m not into demonic ritualistic sacrificial shit, I don’t believe in hateful worship. It’s entirely illogical.

I’ll give you an example.
Say I want to remove something from my life, I could maybe draw a symbol on said item and throw it away.
Thereby making a a ritual and commitment spiritually to removing that thing from my life. Attach my emotion (importantly, love) to the ritual and then following through with whatever the symbol is meant to imply.
I’ve done this with stuff before and it just works. But I want to expand on this idea, hopefully for stuff like work and study, but I tried practising and creating symbols and it really fucked up my headspace for a bit so I’m hesitant to do that without guidance from somewhere

>I’ll give you an example.
>Say I want to remove something from my life, I could maybe draw a symbol on said item and throw it away.
>Thereby making a a ritual and commitment spiritually to removing that thing from my life. Attach my emotion (importantly, love) to the ritual and then following through with whatever the symbol is meant to imply.
>I’ve done this with stuff before and it just works. But I want to expand on this idea, hopefully for stuff like work and study, but I tried practising and creating symbols and it really fucked up my headspace for a bit so I’m hesitant to do that without guidance from somewhere

Heres my take. I dont think the symbol does anything itself whatsoever. Its completely ad hoc and I think unjustified to say it does. But, how comes it seems to have affects? The reason why is because of manifestation basically. I do believe in manifestation, but thats kind of it. All of the occult stuff people say works, it works because its indirect manifestation. And you can entail manifestation from theistic idealism, because all conscious agents are God in substance, and God is omnipotent. Omnipotence cant be turned off, but can only be veiled by illusion. So thats why people are powerless. Real people in history have seriously locked in and managed to do crazy unexplainable shit, like St. Joseph of Cupertino, who flew thousands of times in his life, raised an entire flock of sheep from the dead, and yes all of this happened (if youre wondering if this is evidence for Christianity, the answer is no, all it would prove is manifestation is real).

In my opinion, you dont need to manifest for a short period of time on a symbol, and then after that short time limit, throw it away and never do it again. Unjustified bullshit! You should believe as long as possible. Saying you can only do the believing-it-into-existence process for an arbitrary short amount of time, and then taking the symbol, throwing it away, and then never thinking about what you wanted to manifest EVER AGAIN, is some unjustified, new age, nigger brimstone nonsense. In fact, you should believe in it more. More consistency = More effect. Just believe it is already real in the underlying realm, simply manifestating into this one. Very different from expectation, because expectation is when you believe something will happen most likely. This is certainty. And its not irrational certainty, because it does work.

Keep the love part. Love is very important. It is the nature of who we call God, and by having love, you can do miracles. In fact, Joseph of Cupertino was reported to always be in a state of bliss and love when he did his own miracles (nothing to see here goyim, just move along, this isnt evidence!)

TLDR:
1. You dont need to draw symbols. Fvck 'em.
2. You dont need to manifest for only a short period of time. Unjustified BS, just like symbol crap.
3. Have absolute certainty that what it is you desire is already in your possession, reality is simply unpacking it for you. Like a gift. Its already there, it just needs to be unwrapped, and that unwrapping happens on its own.
4. Have love. More love = More volition (willing). How exactly can you will something into existence, if you yourself arent willing to do it? See why love is an important ingredient? KEEP IT!! You were 100% right there

Hope you see this post man

>>18828
I like your take on this.
Yeah it was essentially manifestation. I threw the item away with alot of love, I knew I was doing something out of love that would benefit me.
I can't even fathom going to a store to buy the item(s) again. It crosses my mind but there's just so much resistance there now.

You saying you can't just do something short term makes alot of sense honestly. I struggled to find a way to do this with smaller activities like studying without a creeping obsession looming over me during the next day.
The symbol for this I drew with the intention as something that must be mastered.
I fucked up and overshot this, I ended up cutting the symbol off the book, then cutting it in half to 'break it' (I don't know what I'm doing, but this did stop me obsessing)
I know you don't need symbols, and you can do everything with thoughts and words, but the point of me making a symbol for the want of something, was to simplify it into an easy to understand language.
It was an attempt to regulate this kind of manifestation. When I want something, I can always potentially say the wrong things.
FOR EXAMPLE:
I asked gracefully 'I wish to be awake at 5am' (context being = my sleep schedule was fucked up)
I made a grave mistake here, I couldn't help myself but gradually WORSEN my sleep schedule until it hit 5am one night. I felt ashamed and sick but then it hit me. I literally asked for this. I got exactly what I asked for.
I have changed what I asked for to be more exact but I feel like you can't avoid this mistake entirely.
This is where the symbolism comes in. You create a symbol with a SPECIFIC meaning, you then form your ask, you attatch all the love you can to this small ritual of drawing it. and then you continue on.

The symbol I drew on the item has an exact meaning. It is to completely remove something from my life, and to never see it again.
I have asked to remove something from my life before but it lacked love, because I got wrapped up in the consequences. There was doubt present which ruins the ask; the symbol bypasses this in a way.
I may have asked the wrong thing too.
The symbol is to make sure that I mean exactly as I ask, AND to maximize the amount of feeling I can put towards something. I can focus entirely on the feeling.
Each stroke of the pen feels amazing. I feel so connected with myself, it's hard to put into words just how good it feels to do this tiny little ritual.
This is why I'm kind of fascinated with the idea. I hope what I said makes some sense to you.
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Thiss whole thing stems from me having a problem with text/word based language. I was like 'why can't I just describe a thought with a picture? Not like chinese but an actual symbol' and that lead me to consider all the occult symobls that exist.
If you assign meaning to something, it must mean something. I've done this with colors and niche things to reflect my internal state. I know this worked, so why can't symbolism work to describe thoughts and feelings aswell?

>that unwrapping happens on its own
Another reason why I think this has great potential. I don't have to consciously think about the thing I threw away. It has almost removed itself from my own mind. Thinking of the item is almost impossible. Even while writing this whole reply out, I haven't directly thought of the item. I can't really remember details about it clearly.
I know what it is, I know why I wanted it gone, but it's only half there now, if that makes sense.
>Joseph of Cupertino was reported to always be in a state of bliss and love when he did his own miracles
I imagine Jesus Christ was also like this. Some people really know how to love endlessly, and only ever keep loving.

>>18828
>I dont think the symbol does anything itself whatsoever
Yes the symbol is arbitrary. You can assign meaning to literally anything, and the meaning can also be anything.
This is why I wanted to do it myself at first, believing that anyones interpretation of anything can be different.
I think I might continue you with, but I still want to research stuff like this further.
Another thing that fascinates me is the moon and the lunar cycle. Something really draws me to that, I don't know what it is, but I'm mesmirised by the moon itself. Its just so powerful to me

>>18693
I wonder if that's the same clucka that frogposts in the gnosticism thread

>>18864
schizodumpz is keyed

>>18843
Questions.
1. How do you throw away a symbol? Trash can or smth?
2. To just cease thinking about it, I am highly skeptical if the effects will be as powerful as mindfulness and holding onto the belief constantly.

Seeing effects of a sigil after throwing it away, lets get an analogy going on. Imagine a pond. This is the field of reality. Now imagine you manifesting as like dropping a stone into the water. It ripples, and will effect other ripples in the pond. But when you forget about what you desire, what happens is your initial manifestation, which was already dropped into the pond, is doing its ripple thing. Unlike standard thaumaturgy, in which one is constantly mindful of what they desire to manifest, which is like taking the stone, dropping it, and then getting another, and dropping over and over again.

This is why I believe mindful manifestation is efficient enough. This form of thaumaturgy IMO is more superior therefore.

Other parts where you speak on why symbols are handy, thats a view I never heard of before. Makes sense now. Symbols dont do shit, youre saying. Rather, youre saying symbols function as devices of clarity, because you clearly define what you wish to manifest.

>You saying you can't just do something short term makes alot of sense honestly. I struggled to find a way to do this with smaller activities like studying without a creeping obsession looming over me during the next day.

The point i was tryna make earlier was that just manifesting for a bit, and then forgetting about it completely after "youre done," I think is unnecessary and will only hinder you. I believe it is the opposite. Keep the mindfulness. Now you may see effects, and be like "look, it works doe!" Indeed it does, but the truth is that is the work of the initial manifestation. Youre just dropping one stone into the pond. Now imagine if you manifest for HOURS a day! Thats wizard right there. That is the method I believe is correct.

>>18858
I have no idea what you're talking about

>>18922
I took what you said and went out to try and practise this:
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So when I visualise, this symbol that is related/explains to the manifestiation is right there in the visualisation. Maybe in the corner, like it's an overlay, rather than apart of the scene.
Things that must be mastered now have a symbol I have designed. Things like my job now also have a symbol assigned. Instead of going over what I want, the symbol is there and it saves A HELL of alot of time and energy thinking.
Now, I just focus on feeling, and what I can see, touch, hear, feel, and focus just on that.
I know what I want through the symbol. If I want to remember, I remember what the symbol means.

Your advice was incredibly helpful and I am incredibly grateful for your input. I'm glad the stars alligned and we crossed paths :)

>>18922
>1. How do you throw away a symbol? Trash can or smth?

I first removed it from the item (this time, a book) by cutting it out, then throwing it in a trash can in my bedroom. I didn't feel any better so dug up the symbol and cut it in half with scissors. I focused on breaking the seal, and had to put alot of thought into this working. I did this with every sigil I drew and only then did I start to relax. I felt pretty stressed out by the whole thing but I was okay within the hour.

2. To just cease thinking about it, I am highly skeptical if the effects will be as powerful as mindfulness and holding onto the belief constantly.
Yeah exactly my thoughts. I don't think you can just create a shortcut for this, I think the symbol can only be used as that; a symbol.
But it works to simplify the language barrier we have with our own minds. And that is still extremely useful.

I'm going to continue doing this, maybe even outside of manifestation, because I have ALWAYS had a problem with how simple language is. It annoys me how inefficient verbal communication and even text communication is.
I'm not saying this is a good solution either; it isn't. But starting to do this for myself will offset these feelings I have for the current way of communication