/v/ - Vidya Games

Nigga I dont know anything about the indie gaming sphere so i dont know what questions to ask

How about you share one interesting story of your own choosing

>>61264
A good chunk to choose from, so i'll start off with something more quick and simple.
I was once i a Discord server for game developers from 4chan, more specifically the /agdg/ from /vg/.
I managed to find some good games there and played some good demos, but i decided to take a good chunk of games off of my wishlist due to the devs being big jerks and i don't want to support them.
One example being one dev who gifted his game to a VTuber to advertise it. The game was a bit too hard for the VTuber but he still had fun and loved the game.
The problem here is that the dev of the game started insulting the VTuber for his gaming skills and got other devs to publicly hate the guy behind his back.
For a dev to gift someone their game, and that someone loving the dev's work so much that they support them and want to share how good it is, only for that dev to go behind that person's back to say horrible things about them, well, that's simply unprofessional to say the least.
I thought about going to that VTiuber with this information but i decided against it because i didn't want to create any drama.
You'd actually be surprised to know exactly how many game devs have an intense hatred for gamers, they simply remain secret about it but a lot of being in the industry are done with the gaming community and are only working for themselves, be it to create the games they want to make and/or profit.
This is only one example but this one really is a shame because from the demos i have played of his games they really are something special and i know that there's a good audience for them but i can not in good faith support someone with such behavior.
Although i have never told him this directly, in fact i never told anyone until now, but honestly i should have.

>>61270
Tell me more about this dev hatred for gamers
Why have you become a dev - for profit or out of personal interest?
Are you Jake the jartycuck?

>>61279
>Tell me more about this dev hatred for gamers
Well basically whenever i talk about gamers to game devs there's always a complaint, be it the skill level of gamers, someone making an uncomfortable drawing of their characters, or simply the vague "I hate gamers" statement.
There's a reason why a lot of indie devs have their own Discords nowadays, it so they can have their own private communities that they can manage so they can stay away the chaos outside where they can control.
>Why have you become a dev - for profit or out of personal interest?
I guess you can say personal interest.
Creating stories, worlds and characters to bring joy to the world has been a dream of mine since i was a teen, not only with games but also animation and comics.
Although i have put all of that on hold for now, due to everything crumbling down around me when i try to build up.
I have since become a born again Christian since 2023, haven't gotten serious with it until June of last year, and i feel as though God doesn't want me to get into the entertainment industry, at least not in this world, and i respect that and am waiting until i get my chance, even if it means having to ditch some of my concepts due to being too late for them now.
Although i must say that putting my creative dreams on hold has been a huge blessing as taking a step back has allowed my creativity to improve greatly and i have managed to rework and add onto a lot of my concepts making them better than ever before. So i thank God for that.
So one piece of advice i got is never rush into anything, not even a concept. When you have a concept take a step back from it and allow it to grow for a while before doing anything with it. The results will surprise even yourself.
Yes it might take longer than you'd want and you might want to work with that concept right away but remember, patience is a virtue.
>Are you Jake the jartycuck?
I never even heard of who that is until now.

>>61299
I understand the frustration when some shitskin draws scat inflation 'p of your game characters, but why skill level? How does someone else's skill affect the devs anyway?
What holds you back from fulfilling the dream of original content creation, partially at least? Financial issues? Are you satisfied with your previous works?
You look like you're on this site first time, jartycuck is a sharty meme. It was the mascot of a pornographic splinter of sharty (picrel).
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>>61305
>I understand the frustration when some shitskin draws scat inflation 'p of your game characters, but why skill level? How does someone else's skill affect the devs anyway?
The dev didn't like how the VTuber wasm't good at his game and was making fun of him, basically saying the VTuber isn't a real gamer if he isn't good at his game.
This despite the fact that not only did the VTuber have fun and enjoy the game but the game itself was made to be a retro throwback to the more difficult times.
Basically the dev and others who joined in on the mocking have that "cool kids club" mentality and if your not on their level then your lesser in their eyes.
>What holds you back from fulfilling the dream of original content creation, partially at least? Financial issues?
Money is a big issue yes, but i also managed to get drained due to every project i worked on falling apart, with the only exception i can think i left due to creative differences.
Not to mention how disappointed i am in both the industry and the community in how chaotic it all has become making it more hard for new and aspiring creatives to get into any entertainment industry really.
What i'm about to say might be pessimistic but from what i have witnessed and experienced the only way to make it in this industry is to sacrifice a good chunk of integrity and principles and i am not willing to make such a sacrifice.
I find it more enjoyable to simply keep my audience small and tell my stories to family and friends.
>Are you satisfied with your previous works?
There are some projects i worked on, as well as concepts i created, that i regret, but for the most part everything i went through has been a knowledgeable and eye opening experience that i wouldn't give away.
So yeah, from all the work i did within the industry, even though it wasn't the best, i am still satisfied with it.
>You look like you're on this site first time, jartycuck is a sharty meme. It was the mascot of a pornographic splinter of sharty (picrel).
That pic jumpscared me haha.
Thanks for the information. But i must ask, how did that become the mascot for pornography?

>>61306
Mocking others for their skill level is weird at least, I care about mine only.
How massive is your "dream game" which you want to create? Can you handle it alone?
It's just bad luck I think, unless you are weak like a junior programmer. (which is unlikely)
Jarty splinter was created after some people didn't like addition of stricter rules to sharty (regarding porn too). Jake was jarty mascot but someone distorted him like this and now we use him to mock various degenerates and gooners

>>61307
>How massive is your "dream game" which you want to create? Can you handle it alone?
I admit i am a very ambitious guy, even when i try to start small it grows big for my own good, also i'm not the kind of guy who wants to work on one thing, i want to create multiple IPs, ya know? A lot of them vary in scope and i don't play favorites with them so i will say that my smallest is a simple retro style fighting game while the biggest is an open world apocalypse RPG.
As for can i handle it alone? No, not even the smaller projects as i have always been the kind of guy who works better in a group, at least one other person helping me out would do me good, in fact i worked with creative partners before but like i said it all crumbled apart and finding people who are willing to work with me as volunteer work is basically impossible now, i got lucky finding those people but eventually we all drifted apart for one reason or another.
>It's just bad luck I think, unless you are weak like a junior programmer. (which is unlikely)
I admit i am still learning although i put that on hiatus as well.
I once worked on a platform fighter and the main coder promised that he would eventually teach me and another guy how to code. Never happened…
Nowadays i am focused on simply owning my own arcade business instead. Sure it won't be as big as the entertainment company i initially dreamed of, but some times we gotta understand that we can't get everything we want and we should be content with what we can get within our limits.
>Jarty splinter was created after some people didn't like addition of stricter rules to sharty (regarding porn too). Jake was jarty mascot but someone distorted him like this and now we use him to mock various degenerates and gooners
Honestly amazing.
I should look into the history of Jake sometime.

>>61270
I understand the hatred toward gamers, gaming is a very low iq hobby. It depends on what you value more about your work but if you really think game desing is important, failing to engage with mechanics properly is like misunderstanding the meaning or themes of any work of art. It seems you have a completely idealistic vision of the world. It is perfectly valid to just do it for money or if you really want to express something, hate the average nigger that plays video games. You completely misunderstand the point of true art, it is not just "I want to bring joy to people :)" or else shit like Harry Potter and Fast and Furious could be put in the same bag as the greatest pieces of art in history, and I refuse to put them there. True art is meant to be an intellectual challenge as a showcase of complete mastery of a craft and the search of beauty, other shit are just products. And one must sell products to live, but even if you sell art as products you dont need give up the artistic intent, which is really fucking hard since most people prefer to consume garbage.

>>61309
No offense but i say that's a very pretentious and snooty way of viewing entertainment and outright insulting and offensive.
People want to be entertained, they don't want artsy fartsy nonsense.
If that's what ya want then fine but don't try to devalue everything else when there's so much love and passion put into a lot of it. To call them "products" and nothing more lets me know you're not in it for the love, fun and joy, seems like you only pick and choose what entertainment you experience only based on what will make ya feel superior to everyone else, and that's simply narcissistic.
Again, no offense.
I want entertainment that's as fun as a roller coaster through a Y2K water park, not waste my time at the opera.
And like i said, if you enjoy and even prefer the opera then fine, but don't try to devalue what gives so many people fun and joy

>>61310
Im not saying people are not allowed to have fun, I consume a lot of products, but there is a fundamental difference. My point is your are mixing both things, of course people prefer a water park to the opera, and the reason for that is that opera requires a higher intellectual level to enjoy it. Which is not the same as saying that everyone that goes to a waterpark is a retard or that everyone that likes opera is intelligent. Even if just products, products can vary a lot on their quality, but even if very well made, something that is made just for the sake of other people enjoying it or to sell it its not art. A product can contain art and you can sell art as a product, however marvel movies are not the same as Citizen Kane no matter how much passion they are made with or how much soyboys love them

>>61313
First of all, like i said, don'/t call them "products", it's insulting.
Secondly, all you're doing is proving me right when i call this mentality of yours pretentious, snooty and narcissistic.
Seriously, "requires a higher intellectual level to enjoy"? This is why people like you are made fun of, it's because you people have superiority complexes who look down on those who don't like what you like.
So much so that you barge into a thread meant for a former game dev to share game dev stories and try to make it about you trying to shove your personal interests onto everyone else.
TL;DR, how dare you try to dictate what should and should not be considered "art" based on why it's made when literally every piece of entertainment was made to give joy to others. By your logic there's no such thing as art, including Citizen Kane.
And stop bringing up movies, this is a vidya board, use vidya as an example, what's your favorite vidya?

>>61331
my favorite vidyas are bloodborne, the witness, The Wonderful 101 and Zelda Botw, I really cant decide which one I prefer. All of them have very different objectives but ultimately come from a very personal vision. No, I wont stop calling them products, if you really think art is just made to bring joy thats because you have a very childish vision of life and Im not surprised you had to step back from entertainment. Calling it entertainment is the insulting thing, call of duty is not the same as Death Stranding 2, both are made to entertain the player but the later also have a very personal message about Kojima's relationship with work, family and the metal gear franchise. Reducing art to something that just bring joy or enjoyment is equivalent to saying slot machines and prostitution are art. I find easier to use movies as examples because even if very market oriented too, the distinction between art and products is very clear, Citizen Kane was made to denounce Willian Randolf Hearst and to innovate in the film medium, not just to maintain a bunch of idiots entertained during1 hour and a half. Another art definition is just about the skill display of a certain craft, I can appreciate products if they show artistic expression in this sense, be it very precise game design or a satisfying game feel, however art must push boundaries or else it literally has no meaning. We can not consider candy crush the same thing as baba is you even if both are technically puzzle games.

>>61352
See this is the problem with you people, you try way to hard to be "adult" when you come off as very confrontational, snooty, pretentious, having this "I'm better than everyone who disagrees" attitude, etc, all that's the opposite of what an adult should be, so i will also call ya a hypocrite for that as well.
Frankly, i don't care what your reasoning for using movies as an example is, this is the vidya board, where it's best to use vidya as an example. Kinda messes up your point when you believe movies are a better example in a discussion about vidya.
And yes, even games like Death Stranding 2 are made to bring people joy, that game where Kojima sacrificed his creative integrity to add more shooting combat to make the westerners who complain about the lack of shooting happy so that's a bad example.
Not only that but Call of Duty has lots of stories about the horrors of war, corrupt governments, mental health and other deep stuff like that so trying to devalue Call of Duty with this comparison like that proves to me how much you don't know what you're talking about when you only know one of the biggest franchises in gaming on a surface level.
Not to mention how people in the entertainment industry have the same mentality as me and make it big. Look at Nintendo for example and the design philosophy of Miyamoto and his views on gaming. Or even SpongeBob that had a special that made fun of people like you, and even the first movie has the same message.
And no one is saying Candy crush and Baba are the same but one doesn't devalue the other as a piece of entertainment made to give people joy.
And by the way, you're wrong about my hiatus from creativity. (By the way, i did call it creativity when referring to my hiatus, you're the one who called it entertainment. Thought i'd point out that hypocrisy.)
I am on hiatus because of people like you, along with the gooners, the bullies, the culture wars, etc, etc, etc.
I refuse to let any of my works go out into a world with such wickedness and God agrees, why else would He close all doors of opportunity for me. I am taking this hiatus to the end of humanity where i along with everyone else accepted by Jesus make it to New Jerusalem, God's New Earth, by His side, while all the wicked are separated from us and eternal fire. That's when i will start my creative dreams.
And for your information, i have concepts that you would view the same way you view Death Stranding 2 and Baba, and i have concepts you would view the same way as Call of Duty and Candy crush, yet i view them all equally, they're all entertainment made to spread fun, love and joy. We can talk about this specific part more through DMs on social media if ya want.
And lastly, stop derailing my thread, this is supposed to be a Q&A but you're trying to turn it into you trying to shame me into agreeing with your ego.
If ya wanna talk about this more don't do it in this thread, i have made a new thread for this discussion here: https://soyjak.st/v/thread/61359.html
If you reply to me about this discussion here and not there then i will not reply, but if you're reply is basically you running away from this discussion then i will call ya out on it, and maybe more depending on what else would come with it.
It's getting late now so i will be back tomorrow, so good night.

>>61360
That's what happens when you get offended and chimp out here. You get soyquoted.
Most games are indeed "products" as they're made for material profit. Like those gacha tranime games or MMORPGs with lots of microtransactions. And some games are truly masterpieces, like Blasphemous. Seething because someone has higher standards is childish too, let him enjoy his art or something. Remember that shardee is full of trolls (including me), with this attitude you'll get milked for gegs instantly.

>>61371
He's the one who "chimped out" first and he's acting like a baby and ruined this thread because his fragile ego can't handle anyone disagreeing.
Ironic how you're telling me this while defending the guy who's "soyqouting", a very unadult thought terminating cliche.
>let him enjoy his art or something
Tell that to him. He's the one who refuses to let other enjoy what they want to enjoy, he's the one who started all this.
Also, i made a new thread to discuss this topic, use that one.

>>61389
Nobody cares about being "adult" and soyquoting is our culture. You're taking this site too seriously. Threads here get slid often, no need for all these "rules of etiquette" and formalities. You could've continued here, it's ~15 posters max on /v/ anyway

>>61403
>Nobody cares about being "adult"
Well then ya people shouldn't care about what's, to put it politely "kiddie" either.
>and soyquoting is our culture
It's a child like culture so you shouldn't say such things about me while soyquoting, it's hypocritical.
>You're taking this site too seriously
Tel that to the people whop promised me i would be able to have serious discussions here.
In fact tell that to the guy who started this serious discussion with me about vidya being entertainment vs art.
Seems to like like you're not taking this conversation seriously enough.
>Threads here get slid often, no need for all these "rules of etiquette" and formalities. You could've continued here, it's ~15 posters max on /v/ anyway
I figured all this out soon after arriving here.
But i am simply the kind of guy who wants to stay on topic no matter the threads, so if a thread is about one thing, i don't want it derailing into something else, something i never even wanted to talk about in the first place.
I get enough of that from 4chan and i was promised Sharty would be different.

>>61420
He literally said he is a troll, just ignore him, he's just trying to piss you off for laughs anyway.
You came here to tell stories right? Do that instead of arguing with these retards.

>>61442
Ah, you're right. I guess i missed it when he admitted to being a troll.
Thanks for bringing this back on track and giving good advice.
What kind of story from the behind the scenes would ya like next?
Any questions on the previous ones?
What genres do ya like? Perhaps i have a story involving a game in the genre.

>>61420
>Comes to soyjak.party
>Says that soyquoting le bad
Sharty is different from 4cuck cuz it's way less porn and tranny degeneracy here. Yes you can have a serious discussion but not everyone will take your huge reppies "why soyquoting bad" serious.
In your place I'd say something like "stop derailing thread nigger" or gigaquote myself instead of writing walls of text geg, you're easily baitable, work on that. Also read about basics like soyspeak, soyquoting etc here: soyjakwiki.org

>>61451
Have you worked on any violent, bloody games?

>>61472
>Says that soyquoting le bad
I didn't say that, i said it's kiddie and pointed out the hypocrisy in posting it while calling others kiddie.
If the guy posted the soyqoute without making such accusations then i wouldn't mind because then there's be no hypocrisy to it.
>Sharty is different from 4cuck cuz it's way less porn and tranny degeneracy here
Based.
>Yes you can have a serious discussion but not everyone will take your huge reppies "why soyquoting bad" serious
I already explained that the point isn't that it's bad but why not make big posts?
>you're easily baitable
I simply believe that everyone deserves to be taken seriously until/unless proven otherwise.
Although even then tend to never give up on fighting back against nonsense, typically to the point where the person i'm talking to finds me so annoying that they give up.
But then there are those conversations that feel like they go on forever. Seriously, if only you witnessed me having feuds over Nickelodeon All Star Brawl, those were wild.
>Also read about basics like soyspeak, soyquoting etc here: soyjakwiki.org
Hey thanks.
By the way, i hope you know that i am not mad, i really do appreciate you trying to help me, and you have, so thanks.

>>61474
Well i did planned on creating a horror/comedy parody game inspired by my feelings towards Poppy Playtime, if things went well it would have released in 2023, but now that time has based i have decided to rework the project as it no longer reflects who i am as a person now as a man of God.
Other than that the closest thing to a violent/bloody game i worked on was years ago when i provided voice acting for someone's top down shooter game on 4chan's /agdg/ on /vg/, although now i regret doing it due to the game being made to be racist as it's basically a Chinese slaughter simulator.

>>61493
but now that time has past*