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Amerimutt's started existing in the 60's what are you saying fuggen jerdee
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>>16464076Geg really I thought it was earlier
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>No, that's a massive exaggeration. Ancient Romans and medieval European peasants were not "obese gluttonous subhumanoids" or the equivalent of modern stereotypes about Americans. Historical evidence from skeletal remains, dietary reconstructions, archaeology, and contemporary accounts shows the opposite for the vast majority of the population.c97c68
>Physical Evidence: Heights, Weights, and Body Types
>Skeletal data: Roman adult males averaged around 168 cm (5'6") tall, with women around 155 cm. Medieval Europeans were similarly short by modern standards but showed signs of demanding physical labor (strong muscle attachments on bones). No widespread evidence of obesity in common graves.2ab47f
>Obesity leaves traces in archaeology (e.g., joint stress, certain bone changes), but it's rare in peasant/commoner remains. It was more noted among elites, monks, or specific rulers (e.g., Sancho the Fat of León, who was morbidly obese at ~240 kg and couldn't ride or fight — an extreme outlier).ec8945
>Fatness was often culturally associated with wealth/sloth in elites but mocked or seen as unfit for labor/war. Romans and medieval writers (e.g., Vegetius, Galen) viewed excessive weight as unhealthy and incompatible with military life or hard work. Thinness was common due to periodic famines, disease, and subsistence living.ae9274
>Peasants were lean and wiry from lifelong heavy labor: plowing, harvesting, carrying loads, walking long distances. They weren't sedentary.
>Diet: "Hearty" but Not Zillions of Calories of "Peasantslop"
>Peasant staples: Mostly bread/porridge (rye, barley, oats — coarse and filling), vegetables (cabbage, leeks, onions), legumes, dairy (cheese, milk), occasional meat/fish (more after the Black Death), and weak ale/beer. Seasonally variable, with risks of shortage. Not endless rich meats or processed junk.83c49a
>Caloric estimates: Adult peasant males ~2,900 calories/day (higher in heavy labor seasons, up to 3,500+); females lower. Aristocrats/monks could hit 4,000–6,000+. Some early medieval claims go higher, but these were not the norm for all and included hard work.e572f2
>This sounds high compared to sedentary modern people, but energy expenditure was enormous. 12+ hour days of manual labor, walking, cold exposure, etc., burned it off. A toiling 145 lb (66 kg) male at 5'10" might need ~2,500+ just to maintain weight. No surplus for widespread obesity. Famines and malnutrition were real problems.dea100
>Modern obesity epidemics stem from ultra-processed foods, sugar, seed oils, sedentary jobs, cars, and constant abundance — none of which existed then. "Heartily" in historical contexts meant enough coarse food to fuel survival labor, not all-you-can-eat buffets.
>Ancient Rome Specifically
>Similar story: Grain-heavy diets (bread, porridge), olive oil, legumes, veggies, occasional meat/wine for commoners. Gladiators and soldiers were muscular from training/diet. Obesity existed (Galen treated cases), but mostly among the wealthy. Average people were not fat.43e90a
>The "amerimutt" trope (fat, lazy, mixed, whatever) doesn't map. Pre-modern Europeans varied by region/time, but the working majority were adapted to scarcity and exertion. Romanticizing or demonizing the past as universally gluttonous ignores the data. >Life was tough, short (high infant mortality, disease), and physically demanding — the opposite of sedentary overeating.
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>>16464072 (OP)>>16464234Kill yourself obsessed faggot
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genetic studies show that romans are a result of migration from north america over the atlantic land bridge 34,500 years ago so this is actually kind of true
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>>16464234>le malnutritionthat's because le 99% didn't have access to multivitamins mixed into their food duh
of course eating grainsludge and mutton would have led to le malnutrition
they were still all overweight/obese anglocuck soccer fans all eating round after round of sausages, mutton, and chips until they gluttinously filled their stomachs for every meal.
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>>16464234ancient/medieval taverns and pubs were ALL all-you-can-eat buffets
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gladiators were all fatfucking sumo wrestler pigs, not le roided schwarzeneggars with le heckin chiseled abs
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>>16464234how is le high infant mortality rate in anyway relevant to fatass gluttinous alcoholic pot belly peasants?
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>>16464234doing farm work is NOT physically demanding
they ALL worked lazily, they were not le training like heckin crossfit athletes doing High Intensity Interval Farming, they worked like how ALL modern laborers work: lazily, standing around all day with thumbs all up their asses and making their poor animals do ALL of the real heavy lifting.
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>>16464445>>16464432>>16464416>>16464411
>No, this is still wildly ahistorical. >Medieval and ancient peasants were not secretly obese "anglocuck soccer fans" stuffing themselves at all-you-can-eat sausage buffets while lazily watching animals work. >The evidence from archaeology, isotopes, skeletal analysis, and historical records directly contradicts this.6bcd6b>Diet Reality (Not Endless Sausages, Mutton, and "Chips")>Staples: Coarse bread/porridge from rye, barley, oats; vegetables like cabbage, leeks, onions; legumes; dairy ("white meats" like cheese); weak ale. >Meat (including mutton) and fish were occasional — more common post-Black Death for some, but not daily feasts for the vast majority. >No potatoes ("chips") in Europe until the 16th century. No processed junk.7f85d1>Calories: Estimates for peasant males around 2,900/day (higher in peak seasons, up to 3,500+ for heavy labor); women lower. Some higher figures (e.g., 6,000+) apply to specific elite/monk contexts or optimistic ration lists, not average peasants year-round. Famines, seasonal shortages, and malnutrition (e.g., iron deficiency in women) were real.79c644>Nutrition: Varied by region/harvest but included meat stews/pottages with veggies in many places. Not "grainsludge" causing universal deficiency while magically creating obesity.>Multivitamins weren't needed because whole foods provided basics when available — though deficiencies happened due to scarcity, not modern processed-food paradoxes.364d38>Obesity was rare among peasants; it showed up more in upper classes and monks (high-calorie diets + less labor → arthritis, DISH bone condition in skeletons). Peasant skeletons show labor stress, not excess fat.7d112e>Farm Work Was Extremely Physically Demanding>Daily reality: Plowing with oxen/horses (heavy manual guidance), hand-sowing, weeding, harvesting with sickles, threshing with flails, carrying loads, hay mowing with scythes, animal husbandry, repairs. 12+ hour days in seasons. >Cooperative but intense — not "standing around with thumbs up asses." Animals helped, but humans did the bulk of skilled, repetitive, strength work.67d164>This built functional strength and burned calories far beyond modern desk jobs or even many "laborers." >A 145 lb man toiling daily needed those calories just to maintain weight — no surplus for widespread fat. >Skeletal muscle attachments and bone robusticity confirm heavy workloads.997595>Modern sedentary + ultra-processed abundance is the obesity driver, not "lazy" medieval farming.>Taverns/Pubs>Not all-you-can-eat buffets. They served stews, bread, cheese, ale — affordable portions for travelers/locals, varying by quality (alehouses basic, better inns nicer).>Food was local and limited by supply/cost. No endless rounds of sausages for peasants. Fantasy tropes exaggerate this.27951d>Bottom line: Life was hard, with real risks of undernutrition, short stature by modern standards, disease, and physical wear. >Peasants were adapted survivors doing demanding manual work on variable diets — lean, tough, not obese gluttons. The "amerimutt" projection doesn't fit the data. >Exaggerating the past to dunk on the present ignores how scarcity + exertion prevented the modern obesity pattern. №16464601[Quote]
>>16464585if heckin farming was le SOOOOOOOOO laborious then they'd all die from getting hernias
face the reality: they were all FAT and lazy pig people eating out of troughs full of vitamin deficient grainsludge and getting obese from hyper calorie dense peasant slop meanwhile the elites/monks COULD get fat, most of them were NOT, because monks/elites were practiced restraint meanwhile peasants did NOT practice restraint and would all eat themselves into obesity if not for the regular famines making them starve
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>>16464601>No, this is still not supported by evidence. Medieval peasants were not "FAT and lazy pig people" gorging from troughs of hyper-calorie-dense slop while elites/monks showed restraint. The data from skeletal remains, bioarchaeology, and records shows the reverse.2e93f6>Labor Was Demanding — Not Lazy, and Hernias Were Not Universal Killers>Farming involved long hours of heavy manual work: guiding plows (often heavy, pulled by animals but requiring human strength and control), sowing, weeding, harvesting with sickles/scythes (bent over for hours), threshing with flails, carrying loads, mending tools, and tending livestock. >Studies of medieval English skeletons show high trauma rates — e.g., 44% of working-class remains had bone fractures vs. lower in wealthier/religious groups. Muscle attachments indicate robust, labor-adapted bodies.af679c>Hernias: Heavy lifting could cause them (as in any era with manual labor), but they weren't a mass killer preventing farming. People adapted, used techniques/belts where possible, and many continued working despite injuries. >Skeletons show healed traumas and osteoarthritis from repetitive strain — common, painful, but survivable. Life was tough; people didn't "all die from hernias."29f844>This wasn't "lazy standing around" or "animals doing everything." >Humans provided sustained effort, skill, and endurance. Modern desk jobs or light labor don't compare to seasonal dawn-to-dusk field work.>Peasants were often leaner and more functionally fit than sedentary elites due to this activity.b23d61>Diet and "Restraint">Peasant food: Pottages/stews with grains, cabbage, leeks, occasional beef/mutton, dairy (cheese), legumes. Not "hyper calorie dense slop" or troughs. >Staples were filling but not endless surplus. >Caloric estimates ~2,900/day for males (matched to expenditure), with seasonal shortages and famines preventing consistent overeating.f5ac6c>No evidence of peasants universally overeating into obesity. Gluttony was a sin in medieval thought, but for commoners, food scarcity cycles and labor balanced intake. >Isotopic and residue analysis shows varied but not excessive diets.4d921a>Elites and monks: The opposite of your claim. Monks often had higher-calorie access + lower physical demands, leading to more obesity, arthritis, and DISH in their skeletons. >Studies show monks were far more likely to be overweight than secular peasants. >Elites could overindulge at feasts; peasants could not reliably.0c1870>Famines existed, but they highlight scarcity risks, not that peasants were otherwise gluttonous pigs held in check. >Without modern abundance, ultra-processed foods, and sedentariness, the obesity pattern didn't emerge widely among laborers.>Reality: Peasants were tough, hard-working survivors on a variable, mostly coarse diet that fueled their labor — not pot-bellied lazy gluttons. >The "amerimutt" projection onto the past doesn't hold. >High physical demands + nutritional variability = leaner working population, with obesity more a marker of privilege (and its downsides).