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Even a person on minimum wage in USA working at a gas station as a cashier has options.
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NO ITS THE SUN, SHE IS GOING TO TURN ME BROWN AIEEEEEEE!
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That's the worst design of Alunya I have ever seen
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>>3810197 (OP)Btw I dont see the reason why Elon Musk wouldnt call himself a capitalist
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I like to imagine a scenario where Alunya goes out to a neo-nazi rally expecting them to be weak, faggy, dysgenic nazis like the ones shown on 4chan, but when she shows up to the rally it's a bunch of handsome, jacked, young skinheads and nazi gymbros.
Before she's even able to get her branded Antifa piss balloons out of her backpack they come over and easily wrestle her to the ground and start tearing off her black hoodie and pants. Then, they take turns raping her tight leftoid pussy. She's unable to do anything due to how muscular the neo nazis are as they rape her ruthlessly. Each time one of them finishes, whether it be in her mouth, ass, or pussy, another one IMMEDIATELY takes his place and continues pounding her for hours on end. When they're finally done, they bring over their tattoo artists to put nazi tattoos and Queen of Hearts tattoos all over her plundered and raped body. Humiliating her and her comrades forever.
Just a thought I have sometimes though.
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>>3810213Buckbroken by Spaniards
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>when a commienigger says something you agree with but it's a commienigger so you don't want to agree
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>>3810197 (OP)How do you even measure surplus value rigorously. You seem like a nigger who only reads communist literature so tell me.
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>>3810208Rolf, please lock in
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Damn, you've really got an axe to grind with WPR.
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>>3810202Including: mcdonalds for dinner, shitty two square meter appartments for rent, and starbucks coffee. Woao!
>>3810208Who?
>>3810216Sure, but, statistically, the person reading the copypasta is not the type who should rationally call himself it.
>>3810223>>3810225This is very unintelligent behvaiour. Only the message matters.
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>wanting an economic system were you are able to own your own capital is cucked
>t. Spanish national (space) socialist
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>>38102382sq meter apartment, that's is liberal/commie/muslim NYC.
As for working as an attendant, commie countries need those too…
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>>3810238No way this can't be real you're not forestrebelemil 💀
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True, but you're a commiecuck anyways
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>>3810238If I said something you'd agree with you'd say "yeah but you're a heckin fashie so kys". Why can't I say the same
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>>3810238What do you think about the hypothesis that capitalism is actually killing itself by progressing further and further technological wise until there will be an "infinite" surplus of all common goods.
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>another nigger larps as alunyafag
>uses the same old pasta
Shut this niggerhell of a board faggot niggerhell down
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>>3810253Are you the real one?
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>>3810254No nigga i am a fucking hologram
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>>3810254why weren't you active btw if that matters?
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>>3810257Do you remember our debate on Nietzsche?
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>>3810261yes i do
I still believe that nietzches conception of creating a morality of own is retarded and cannot lead to a functioning society
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>>3810241Both take fascist BWC if that matters
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>>3810265No concept of morality can truly be independent of any old system. What Nietzsche wanted to accomplish was more a revitalization towards life, like the pre-socratics, but I digress.
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>>3810231Google.
>>3810235I don't.
>>3810241Lolberts are beta male dorks or whatever.
>>3810242What? I'm a Marxist.
>>3810244Very poor cope, while NYC is the most extreme example every major city in the West is ridiculously expensive in the housing ambit. Also, NYC is capitalist too, don't be ridiculous now.
>>3810247Third one, wow.
>>3810251I wouldn't say that, and what you're doing is called tu quoque by the way.
>>3810252It's actually one of my biggest fears. Once the economy is fully automatized there won't be a need for the working class, and according to liberalism no reason for them to be alive if they provide no value, so unless the millionaires come to an agreement to sustain the now outdated working class population with welfare, we will only see a repeat of 19th century England; hundreds of thousands of artisans starving in the street or relying on their families to survive.
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>>3810272You fail to see how communism offers little incentives either, despite china building large cities, their people live in shoddy boxes too.
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>>3810272>googleI meant it more in the sense of you being an amazon wagie you have your calculated surplus value but there is also hidden surplus value, simply for being a cog in the machine you already have inherent value, how is this measured?
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saw this brimstone copypasta a thrembillion times, it's gay and lame
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>>3810272>hundreds of thousands of artisans starving in the street or relying on their families to survive.this is how Hitler came to power btw.
The thing is I am not even sure if some of the capitalists themself want to survive, for example I am completely sure that Peter THiel for example wants to create an AI god that wipes humanity out including himself.
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>>3810271I understand the revitalization of life part
I just don't like the concept of "Do what you want, The only morality is your morality"
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Unrelated but i'd crack Alunya.
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>>3810283It is because of shitskins like you that pol is dying.
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>>3810288We all would you're not special
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>>3810294Anarchist foids are built for fascist cock, everyone knows this.
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>>3810296>anarchist foidsno such things
did you mean trannies and pooners?
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>>3810287>the only morality is your moralityI dont think he ever claimed this, your morality can only be as strong as you yourself are in any meaning of the way, but I also think the whole point is basically to just free yourself from certain dogmas and keeping the rest o algo.
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>>3810300I have unironically seen a few of them.>>3810300
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Wtf this shit text got raped.
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>>3810308post yours roach
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>>3810301What Nietzsche says is that we humans are standing on the middle of a bridge, on one side the Ubermensch, transgression of all morals and on the other the animals representing natural law, order in chaos no actual morality at all.
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>>3810315what did I do geg
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>>3810301I am not really sure about certain things with nietzche since i am still reading him so my knowledge isn't full
But from what i understood, he does claim that a man must create his own morality instead of following the morality of others
And from that i believe that in the end it would lead to the morality of "i can do whatever i want" Since when you don't put any borders on yourself, then eventually you will just lose any remaining borders and you will be unwilling to put any
additionally when all borders are lifted, a man will just lead himself to his downfall
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>>3810317You could have made your own serious thread
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>>3810322I've made one already but it was drowned out by bait
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>>3810326I am sorry for your loss, this is now a serious discussion thread feel free to participate.
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>>3810278China is way more poor than the US and that's a fact. However it is also true that the growth of their economy is unmatched while the average American's purchasing power is only going down. Not like I consider China ideal anyway.
>>3810279I do not believe Marx ever fit that inside his calculations.
>>3810286>completely sureWhy?
While obviously we cannot know their true intentions, given that we have no intel on them and that self-preservation often turns out to be one of the most common objectives in humans, It would be safer to assume that they are following "lame" goals like trying to keep ahold of power and, well, just enjoying their lives, over crazy shit like what you just said; unless proof that contradicts this ever comes to light, of course.
>>3810319>>3810313>>3810301I believe Nietzsche does not position himself against systematic morality, but rather universal morality.
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>>3810319I dont think he said every person can do that, naturally only very few can overcome the slave morality even less the master morality (or whatever the english translation is).
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would you fuck an indian
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>>3810333American purchasing power is going down, but people are still free to earn as much as they want anywhere they want at any time. Do most people choose to do so? No. A dream job and life doesn't mean work to the bone.
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>>3810333>proofHe behaved very suspciously on a podcast and it is known that he has some very esoteric beliefs on christianity and transhumanism. After all he went and debated some nophono bishops and priests in austria in private. But he is just one example, I think some of them are moved by pure power and money etc., but just look at the AI companies for example, they havent made a cent in profit since they started, quite the contrary with ever increasing AI models hey lose more and more money, it was calculated that per every 200$ subscription on claude you get like 8000$ in computer power.
>Nietzsche positions himself against universal morality rather than systematicThere are many things I disagree with in this statement, many moral systems are systematic precisely because they aspire to be universal, so every systematic morality is in some sense universal. (1/2)
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How would in a communist society (in the end in which anarcho-communism is established) different communes properly share the products they make with other communes while not engaging in risky diplomacy that could lead to conflicts against other communes
additionally, if such conflict over resources began, how would it be fixed? and How would the communes ensure that multiple sides wouldnt form big alliances in return making 2 big countries made up of smaller communes which make up a bigger system.
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>>3810353Thiel has a very weird obsession with the anti-christ, whilst being a homosexual. I definitely believe there's some weird stuff going on there.
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>>3810333Second of all Nietzsche specifically attacks moral systems and avoids them. Also the word rather implies he doesnt do both. I was simplfying things when I said he keeps some things, even when Nietzsche proposes his own morality, he deliberately doesnt present it as a system and is intentionally vague about most things
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>>3810365Yes, it is known from personal messages and meetings that he had with vatican officials that he has very very strong esoteric beliefs, he actually beliefs he is building the weapon that the anti-christ will utilize, but all is good since he is the one doing it.
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>>3810269I said both not all three of them
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>>3810379I think the belief that these people only have lust for money and power is naive. They have their own personal desires, rich people are weird in that regard. Once you start being in those circles your perception of reality starts being warped.
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>>3810272I wanna beat your insides up
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>>3810394I agree, you can probably say that millionaires care about money, but some of these billionaires oh man, there is a reason why most of them are in some of these secret societies. Also I dont think anyone of us would suddenly stop having their polticial goals removed from doing simply because they got lots and lots of money, quite the contrary I would do even more in that regards.
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>>3810358Answer nickguhrs
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>>3810336Why not?
>>3810338"Choose" is a very funny word here. The way you wrote that almost makes it seem like there was an imaginary button that gives you a million dollars each time you press it kek. You do realize that even college graduates, the people who have studied away years off their life, are struggling nowadays?
>>3810353Eh, you may be right, but as you said, one rotten apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch. But I disagree on your second point, the reason AI companies are "unprofitable" is simply because they run on future promises and shareholder money, there's no need to overthink it. Though AI is the most egregious example, this has happened with each new tech gimmick for the last 20 years.
About Nietzsche, well, to be fair I shouldn't have entered this debate, my knowledge on him comes from a small study booklet on one of his books and what they taught me back in school, but I digress. It's just that what I remember from that was something like, he didn't disapprove existing morality systems but just the fact that they were advertised as absolute truths. Of course, the fact that he claimed to be okay with those theories while dismissing one of their main features is a contradiction though. Whatever, I'm not versed in philosophy.
>>3810358End-stage communism is not anarcho-communism.
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>>3810358I think most of these communes would be self reliable and only engage in extremly minimal trading. But I think peace is kept by peer pressure, you know if one tries to steal everything they will team up against them.
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>>3810409Money becomes meaningless at that point. Now you're seeing trillionaires too, that is an unimaginable sum. That is when legacy becomes more important. These people see society as a blank canvas that they can paint on.
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>>3810432No no no, poosy sex
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>>3810197 (OP)I cant think of anything more cucked than being unable to own private property
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>>3810438I think so
>>3810439I would though
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>>3810444Do you want to beat up OP or to hate-fuck Alunya?
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>>3810421As I have stated before, I think you are having a naive view on this just imagine what you would do if you had so much money, the AI companies and actually many of these people in Elon Musks circle for example have shown time and time again that at a certain point it is not about money or sharholder value for them but simply about power and legacy, after all why have all that money/power if you do nothing with it. I am not saying that all of them are involved in some secret kabbal, but saying they just want to increase shareholder values is very optimistic. Btw there are no "traditional shareholders" in OpenAI since it is still offically a non profit, all the power is in the hands of Sam Altman basically.
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>>3810452If private property is allowed that means the ownership isnt collective so youre either a fake marxist or a different type of socialist
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>>3810450Commiesluttas like the brutality
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>>3810452If private property can be allowed then it isn't communism/marxism.
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A capitalist/one of the elite isnt a robot, they are malicious human beings with evil esoteric plans to gain more and more control over everything.
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>>3810466(You) are my personal property
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>>3810466My plan for the future involves creating a corporation. As a self-declared marxist, what would your stance be on it?
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>>3810468Nick Land and Curtis Yarvin probably perfectly represent their beliefs.
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As a man who works and votes for a communist, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 40 years of your life simply to raise profit for another man to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
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>>3810457Regarding AI there's certainly a lot of people looking to make a quick buck at lower levels. But those higher up guys definitely think they're making God.
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>>3810475100%, I think even most of the low level devopers at these companies have developed severe hallucinations and started believing in this transhumanism crap.
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>>3810421>End-stage communism is not anarcho-communism.eve&oe it is
and if it is not, then explain
and the question still stands doe, how would they avoid conflict in resource allocation
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>>3810480My personal property is cute when xhe yaps about leftism .
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>>3810478I meant moreso the guys on the hardware end of things.
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>>3810480The problem is all of the top ten are radical people who want to change humanity forever in their image only one might be the chink from nivdia who probably genuinely thinks that he will have 1000x engineers sepnding 10gazillion tokens on AI, the rest has very evil intentions.
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>>3810488Thoughts on Lysenko?
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>>3810487Ah yes probably, most of those are just the crypto bros having jumped over to AI.
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>>3810495>>3810484True an-com is really just enlightened idealist fuedalcommunes
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In communism you do the exact same thing but you do it for the state instead.Both systems are equally shit in this matter. The cattle at the bottom will always be cucks no matter the system
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>>3810488Fair enough. Now, in the scenario it does succeed, what's next?
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>>3810495The question still stands doebeit
If there is not law enforcement or armies or any other legitimate authority that would execute law
Then how would possible conflicts be removed
and how would the law be excercised fairly
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Friendly reminder that Klaus Schwab has a bust of Lenin in his private office.
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>>3810523If he could he would force feed you insects until you exploded.
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>>3810490Do you really believe this? Not much I can say now.
>>3810507Then, we will bury you.
>>3810511In respect to large-scale organization, like you asked in your original question, there wouldn't be a need for an enforcement apparatus because the fact that the revolution would have been so ideologically successful as to unite the workers in the previous system (capitalism) according to their own self-interest, then there wouldn't be a reason for the system that was so ideologically sound to fall apart. On a smaller scale, there isn't much written about it, but most likely the people themselves would take the mantle of justice no different from a medieval or ancient village.
>>3810506Except in communism you're repaid all of your effort instead of having it pocketed by a capitalist for no reason.
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>>3810537My beliefs have been continuously been proven right.
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>>3810543I can guarantee you if you name me any very rich person I can find something that links them to this weird global kabbal.
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>>3810537>smaller scale, there isn't much written about it, but most likely the people themselves would take the mantle of justice no different from a medieval or ancient village.Exacly, So… No fair trial?
Additionally, how would the workers guarantee that the future generations stay faithfull to the revolution and not disunite?
If the workers can't upkeep a fair system of trial an punishment, then how are they to upkeep a bigger system which is built upon smaller laws?
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>>3810537very untrue. My grandfather worked in the romanian 'securitate' during the communist period. He had access to stuff like meat to which working class people never did only because he was higher up in the hierarchy. If their effort wouldve been repaid they wouldve had the exact same access to resources like my grandfather did
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>>3810197 (OP)If you want to escape capitalism just start your own farm. Its the easiest way to become your own boss and creating a meaningful difference in your community.