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communists have the good dystopia and the capitalists have the bad dystopia
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You will still own personal possessions in communism, you just won't be able to own 5 factories at the same time exploiting people in each one like in capitalism
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property." (Note: In this context, "private property" refers specifically to bourgeois capital, not personal possessions.) "
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>>3756809
Something's wrong with the Giga gif.
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>>3756834Isn't that the goal of Communism? The abolition of Private property?
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>>3756822Oh cool you get to keep a toothbrush and a T-shirt to yourself.
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Henry Ford was a communist
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>>3756841there is a difference between private property and personal property
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i want to own 5 factories and 5 farms and exploit everything that I can
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communism and (modern) capitalism
two sides of the same shekel
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>>3756859So you get to keep your toothbrush, some clothes, and a phone to yourself. Does that change anything else?
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>>3756870while one should give everyone a home a work and food
>>3756874your home, your car and your iPhonerino
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>>3756893fags are a black spot in the left that makes everything worst and should be deleted, spreads diseases, mental illness and reduces population
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>>3756884They both do that. Everyone would have a job, everyone would have a house, and everyone gets fed because unemployed, homeless, and starving workers don't provide anything to the economy.
Also how are you going to build that car, phone, and house without money? Are you going to force people to work or will we have to go back to a barter economy?
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>>3756902Good luck trying to acheive your version of communism then. Every other communist is either a faggot or pro-fag.
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>>3756909no, one would replace you for a cheaper version
I will make people work so food gets to his home I would make mass apartments and a sector of the working system would be directed to food production
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>>3756924trick them into supporting
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>>3756853henry ford was incredibly keyed
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>>3756924why are we being homophobic stop dividing the proletriat pls.
>>3756909people will build those things because labour will be distrubited evenly and automation plus mass employment will reduce labour time needed to create essteinals, the tech for this stufd already exists its just being served to the capitalists instead of the working class
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>>3756943idealist communism will never work because humans are naturally greedy
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>>3756945corruption from hight commands punished by dead
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>>3756943Like the Meximutt said. Fags are a plague that just drag everything else down. Also who is going to distribute the labor? And why should they work?
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>>3756956whatever that means
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>>3756945The fact that you are even talking to me disproves that
Nothing is "natural" about any of our lives, we live in a arifical reality, like dude look around your behaviour exists because of your surrounding conditions not just cause "naturally greedy", the reason you think like that is because you live in a capiatlist society that rewards behaviour like that.
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>>3756966yeah socialism is based but i dont like the cosmopolitan aspect they should make some form of socialism combined with nationalism that would be utopian
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>>3756957another sector would be the administrative sector, work for food and maybe a better apart class
>just like muh papers please ā3756977[Quote]
>>3756957Why do international doctors go to gaza to help kids? Why do artists produce art without pay but instead for enjoyment?
They will work because the divsion of labour won't exist because class won't exist, people will have the education and resources to do what they actually enjoy to do, whether its constuction, education, art, fishing, or anything else.
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>>3756977Sciences of the soul are a problem I dont have solution to what would happen to art is something I fear since the start
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>>3756974Nationalism is a byproduct of the bourgesisie to divide the working class, socialism requires international solidarity this is why cuba is getting fucked right now, you need to forgo bourgesisie ideology.
But also socialism doesnt mean just abolishing the nation state entirely just the bourg aspects of it, so for example if Canada was socialist it would still be called canad
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>>3756977tranny you're not gonna be an artist or a gender theory teacher under communism, you will be forced to work the fields or shovel snow off the highway by hand or some other kind of menial labour
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>>3756977Things in society need to priortized. And there just aren't enough people who enjoy there work to do all the jobs society needs to function. Like who enjoys diving into a sewer?
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>>3756991also space travel and its contamination maybe both could be solved in a late stage
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>>3757007I don't have a problem with working careers like that im just giving an example for when classes are abolished
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>>3757005International solidarity is impossible. People of different groups will always priortize themselves and do what benefits their group. Culture, Race, and things like that.
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anyways I will be raiding the leftypol
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>>3757024every communist country ever is a shithole but Adolf Hitler basically created a utopia after like 1 year of National Socialism
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>>3757024You don't think Class will ever come back? At all?
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>>3757031he murdered millions of people and tens of thousands of workers in his first years for organizing trade unions, there were no labour rights in nazi germany and workers were slaves of capitalists under it, very far from utopia
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>>3757048Communism advocates for the murder of millions. Also the USSR and Maoist China weren't exactly worker paradises.
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>>3757082but nazy germany was a blood feud the reasin fir them to live in an utopia was just like muh rome constant conquers that cant be kept
>>3757082but china has stabilized
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>>3757082Both countries have never had faminies since and over 10 million people died from the fall of the USSR, seriously look into it when the USSR collapsed healthcare collapsed food security collapsed housing collapsed etc.
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Also communism doesnt call for the death of anybody, deaths almost always have came from the counterevolution the bourgesise try
(For example the russian opposition burned farms throughtout russia and that caused the majority of deaths from the russian civil war)
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>>3757098china isnt a communist country though
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>>3757124but is bends to the left and has lots of socialistic characters
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>>3757117War communism retard.
>>3757109People always die when countries collapse.
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>>3757128That's every country doe.
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>>3757132>china no iz comunism<china yes iz comunismI wont get in this reatarded soyboy debate
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>>3757138Please go back to English school.
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>>3757197that's general niggnin, that's his name