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The same arguments to argue for homosexuality, are the same arguments to support homosexual incest. Being in support for homosexual rights will contradict unless you support incest that does not result in offspring.

This argument has never been refuted in the 4 years I have been talking about it. No homosexual, leftist or liberal has been able to, NEVER.

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Saar ples provide instances

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I suppose it is one of the "do no harm" type?

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How would you debunk "it doesnt hurt anyone"?

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>>3274529
I don't think mein Fuhrer gold meant xis resolution as debunking but rather just pointing out that it is immoral

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>>3274541
Its also immoral to not accept 6 billion brown refugees if you CAN provide shelter

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>>3274529
Consequentialist Ethics lost

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>>3274545
The matter with this is that in the ethnic focused and stern Rightist moral framework those 6 million immigrants should not be of the National interest for they are not members of the local and sponsored group

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>>3274529
It's an expression and affirmation of past harm and psychological damage. Just like women having premarital sex. It destroys the family unit. Two men cannot have children, neither can they properly raise a child. The dissolution of gender roles is to push the idea a man and woman are not needed to raise a child, to destroy the family. This will cause children to grow up as more dysfunctional as before. With the current affirmation, promotion and tolerance of sodomy, 20% of Gen Z have had sex with men before once in their life.

The people who engage in homosexuality, less likely to be religious, more depressed, extremely promiscious, lose their virginities at extremely young ages (13-14), a strong correlation with paedophilia (shares the same correlation with being child molestation victims as paedophiles) , rectal damage which leads to disruption of the bowel functions, AIDS, multiple diseases you get from, historical association with pederasty, historical association with civilizational collapse, etc…

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I would not even consider myself a good Christian, but it also goes against Christianity.

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>>3274566
What is a good christian per your view?

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>>3274570
Someone who follows the teachings of Christ, a person who mantains good moral character.

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>>3274573
Is a non-resisting, pacifistic person considered a good christian?

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Also the point I'm trying to make with comparing it to non-inbreeding incest, is that it does result in offspring, it does not result in a meaningful relationship, it causes distress within family and peers, and stems from mental illness and psychological damage.
>>3274577
No.

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>>3274578
does not result*

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>>3274578
But Christ preached non-resistance.

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>>3274573
Luke 19:27

A good adherence of a religious man is he who brings his fellows to progress along the ages yet beholden himself to the lord

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>>3274586
Depends to what

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>>3274589
Violence.

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>>3274606
retard

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>>3274513 (OP)
I've been saying this for years too. If you tried to create a moral framework from the ground up without any basis in religion or tradition, using only logic and objective laws of reality, you're gonna end up with a moral framework where all degeneracy is permissible. It is impossible to argue against homosexuality without appeal to religion or tradition, just as it is impossible to argue against incest with no offspring, or against consensual bestiality. That's why all societies without religion are doomed.

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>>3274609
Can i get a proper response.

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Besides it does not have to harm OTHER people to be bad, it can harm yourself or prevent harm from being healed from past instances.

So long homosexuals dwell in my society, it does affect me since they interact and engage in it through work, bearing children, talking to others.
Let's say we had a full acceptance of homosexuality, all 20% of Gen Z who reportedly had sex with man are married to the same sex.

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>>3274615
>I've been saying this for years too. If you tried to create a moral framework from the ground up without any basis in religion or tradition, using only logic and objective laws of reality, you're gonna end up with a moral framework where all degeneracy is permissible.
You should write a book about that. I wonder if a Russian has every done that?

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>>3274615
>consensual bestiality.

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>>3274624
If I had 20% of my society engaging in an activity that is only harmful to them, it harms my society thus affects me. And this is from a purely liberal perspective by the way.

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>>3274627
Turkpilled

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>>3274630
Rvspilled dough

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>>3274626
Hmmm… I can remember a book, I can't really put my finger on it but it's an Israelite book about a group of people who don't seem to listen to an all knowing guy that gives them everything to assist themselves… Can someone help me?

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>>3274631
Russians own you.

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>>3274586
Christ told His followers at the mountain to preach peacefully, never resist and always take the moral high ground because they were very small in numbers and were being persecuted, so they had to be very careful and win people's hearts. This does not mean that every Christian from that point on has to turn the other cheek all the time and literally just stand there and let anyone who wants kill him. We have literal warrior saints y'know.

>>3274627
>>3274631
Of course the turkroach saw the word bestiality and it grabbed his attention so strongly that he couldn't even read the context around it.

>>3274626
I don't think there's enough things to write a whole book about here. Also I'm pretty sure there's a chapter on that in Critique of Pure Reason

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>>3274642
The all knowing literal God on earth should have probably planned for a case in the future when christianity is the dominant religion.

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>>3274636
>>3274642
Come on guys…

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Besides, warrior saints and crusades were just yamnaya doing yamnaya things, uncaring for christian morality.

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>>3274656
Bro guess what? We haven't been turning the other cheek since like the 4th century AD, the issue fixed itself.

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>>3274659
nophono

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>>3274640
Russia is poorer than turkey.
>>3274642
There is no such thing as "consentual beastiality". Animals cannot consent.

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>>3274669
>the issue fixed itself
Are we for real my nigga

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brapping on this serious discussion

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>>3274673
This baited me

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>>3274675
That particular teaching was in use when it was needed, and was forgotten as soon as it became detrimental to the cause. All without detailed instructions and future proof plans. So uhm yeah I think He knew he didn't need to specify that stuff.

>>3274674
You just said exactly what I was saying in that original post except you dumbed it down.

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>>3274674
I would love to take on the role of the atheist retard trying to create a moral framework based purely on logic for the experiment, and play devil's advocate for homosexuality and other disgusting things, but a) you are too dumb to debate with me and b) you're just gonna take my words out of context, report me and spread the screenshots everywhere so fuck you

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>>3274685
Christian pacifism has unfortunately resurfaced massively in the modern day. See the modern christian conservative right, groypers.

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>>3274662
You don't seem to understand Europe during those times. God was not an idea or thing, it was physical thing for them, an actual objective reality they believed in and dedicated their entire lives to. It was as real to them as gravity is to us. This is what 'Memento Mori' was for, they wanted to live their entire life until Death for God, as to end up in heaven.

If you went to 1300 in northern saxony, and told 99.99% of the people there Jesus was a poopy head he would gladly behead you with his bear hands. This is why jews were hated in the first place aside from being scamming kikes. The hundreds of progroms, massacres, and deportations were because of the distinction between jews and europeans.

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>God was not an idea or thing, it was physical thing for them, an actual objective reality
>It was as real to them as gravity is to us
He still is, oldsoi

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When the Pope said any murderer and thief can go to heaven to fight for the Holy Land, they actually believed in it.

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>>3274708
I dont really care how a man in the 1300s acted like. I care how the average right winger now does jack shit about his impending violent doom and uses christianity to justify his inaction because resistance and hatred are le bad (its in the scripture dood).

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It was the combination of Aryan racial properties and Christian dedication to life and death that fueled Europe. Both can be true, they do not oppose each other as you think. Pagans will think Christianity played no role, tradcath lardballs will say it's purely Christianity.

But this zeal for conquest can be seen in Steppe invasion of pre-antiquity Eurasia. A very distinct European trait, that did not manifest itself again until the Crusades and conquest of the Americas.

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>Caring about how a man in the 1300s acted like

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>>3274736
To correct myself, Roman Empire is an example of this.
>>3274724
Because they're nihilists.
We are all mentally raped and castrated, Christianity means nothing to a lot of these people. We are not starving, there's enough bread and circus. To achieve that state of "I want to fucking kill every single elite satanic paedophile in my way to live in peace", you have to starve first, people around you have to die. You have to lose everything and die to be alive.

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>>3274747
they killed God and chained his corpse in a hole 100 miles under the ground. This is why America isn't Weimar. It's exactly what they want to avoid, that would immediately cause a civil war because people would have something to fight for.

Why do you think that faggot, Yukio Mishima's coup did not succeed? The millitiamen he was training with did not care, because they were nihilists.

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>>3274747
Im sorry nigga but when tragedy and suffering strikes these people, all they want to do is pray for better times. Remember the response the 9/11 and Kirk? Church attendance increased massively in those days because people wanted to be comforted. You're not gonna get a violent uprising when the main train of thought is that in the end we win and also satan's pawns are gonna take control of the earth regardless (which is a good thing, apparently) so we might aswell keep being a lardasses.

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>>3274773
That's a complete non-sequitur, rising Church attendance does not mean inaction.

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>>3274703
That comes from matriarchal judeo-capitalist society + liberalism + cultural marxism (buzzwords i know)
>>3274773
9/11 caused people to be extremely willing to die in a sandnigger shithole instead of their own country, so that's that.

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>>3274642
The very idea of "consentual beastiality" is absurd and people would be able to see this without the influx of any religion. Animals do not posses the same level of thinking as humans do therefore it would be impossible for them to consent.

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>>3274804
And christianity led to liberalism and egalitarianism.
>>3274795
Says who
>>3274804
True (regarding 9/11), but then again intervention was pushed by the secular government of America. Yet when Kirk who shot by a chaser, nobeidore did anything at all. At the minimum, these people could have resisted kirkification but nope lets just pray and forgive our persecutors and dance and eat and watch the heckin goyball and vote for the next zog option #2.

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>>3274844
**got shot

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>>3274840
Well they mate with each other all the time, don't they?

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>>3274855
Not with humans doe

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>but uh… uhm… Jesus said don't judge.. uh

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>>3274855
Two animals who posses the same level of thought and whose anatomies are compatible having sex with each other is a completely different thing than a sentient human being having sex with an animal

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Yo I'm a Muslim delclitty can someone make a long throughout explanation of this topic I need it for Sarah purposes

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>>3274908
>Sarah

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>>3274917
tranny named sarah

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>>3274940
kid named finger

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>>3274844
The burden of proof is on you to prove that going to church somehow inhibits someone's capacity to act. Unless you mean to imply that they are exclusively at church for most of the week and thus are unable to go anywhere else, that is not self evident.

Also consider this: the reaction of anger toward 9/11 was so strong that the entire narrative since has had to be
>Uhh 9/11 wasn't done by muslims but Islamic Extremists guys! Totally different! That means there's nothing you can do in America and you have to fight in the foreign war to make a positive change!!!
Imagine if after 9/11, that anger and energy was directed somewhere else?

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>>3274844
>And christianity led to liberalism and egalitarianism.
It's a resistance to the former.
> but nope lets just pray and forgive our persecutors and dance and eat and watch the heckin goyball and vote for the next zog option #2.
This is a big problem tho. People need to organize



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