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I say this but my iq is 78
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>>3268666 (OP)But this statement is true though. Just pay attention to what they're saying
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Grammar is important for reading and also for thinking. You're not going to get very far in your thinking without grammar.
Jews know this, that's why they have chavrusas. Freemasons also study grammar, logic and rhetoric.
>chavrusa-style learning puts each student in the position of analyzing the text, organizing their thoughts into logical arguments, explaining their reasoning to their partner, hearing out their partner's reasoning, and questioning and sharpening each other's ideas, often arriving at entirely new insights into the meaning of the text.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavrusahttps://cross-currents.com/2018/11/23/what-do-they-study-at-yeshivas/https://archive.ph/ZR5g0 â„–3268692[Quote]
>>3268674Only double-digit-IQ people think intelligence is enough to think well. It's not. You also need to study grammar, logic and rhetoric. Being born Arnold Schwarzenegger is not enough to benchpress 100kg, you also need to eat food.
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That was a bad response akshully
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>>3268692Yeah but my iq is 78 and I say dis…
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>>3268700The trivium (a deep, systematic study of grammar, logic, and rhetoric) was the basis of Western education for over a thousand years. It continued in an increasingly diluted form until the middle of the 20th century, when it was replaced by more "progressive" methods of "education" for hoi polloi. It survives today only in very elite private schools. Recently the homeschooling movement has tried to revive it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triviumhttps://youtu.be/J-00ouej34ghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_education_movementhttps://classicalconversations.com/blog/what-is-the-triviumThe Great Tradition edited by Richard Gamble
Here's the talk by Dorothy Sayers that sparked interest in the trivium among homeschoolers:
https://www.fadedpage.com/link.php?file=20140328-a5.pdfHere's John Taylor Gatto's breakdown of what you'll find still being taught only in the very elite private schools:
https://youtu.be/VgNOellI03whttps://youtu.be/obFPLRuP41wHere's what we've been given instead:
https://cardinalinstitute.com/the-prussian-model-of-education-in-the-us-should-be-reexaminedhttps://youtu.be/LnWbKQcElGkHere's where the globalist elite go to school:
https://youtu.be/A0OBhoWBctwHere's an outstanding textbook on the trivium method:
https://archive.org/details/the-trivium-the-liberal-arts-of-logic-grammar-and-rhetoric-sister-miriam-josephMortimer Adler, the man who inspired Sister Miriam, wrote the book on how to read a book:
https://archive.org/details/howtoreadabook1972editionHere's a pop book about the trivium for the general public:
Trivium: The Classical Liberal Arts of Grammar, Logic, & Rhetoric by John Michell, et al.
Here's a high-school textbook on traditional Aristotelian logic designed specifically as part of the trivium program:
Logic As A Liberal Art by R. E. Houser
Here's a good essay on the fate of the humanities in our modern "education" system:
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IQ is a jewish scam
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>>3268717The grammar studied in the medieval trivium was general grammar, which is basically semiotics with a substrate of metaphysics, as opposed to special grammar, which is what we think of today when we hear or read the word "grammar". The closest we might get to general grammar today would be to study linguistics alongside Aristotelian metaphysics; for instance, something like the following:
The Study of Language by George Yule
https://sharifling.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/the-study-of-language-george-yule.pdfAnalyzing Grammar by Paul Kroeger
https://anekawarnapendidikan.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/analyzing-grammar-by-paul-r-kroeger.pdfPrinciples of General Grammar by J. Roemer
https://archive.org/details/principlesgener00roemgoogThe Philosophy of Grammar by Otto Jespersen
https://archive.org/details/philosophyofgram0000jespA Higher English Grammar by Alexander Bain
https://archive.org/details/higherenglishgra00bainrichAn Introduction to English Grammar by Greenbaum & Nelson
https://archive.org/details/AnIntroductionToEnglishGrammerCopyThe Principles of Grammar by Leonard Peikoff
Collar & Daniell's First-Year Latin
https://archive.org/details/collardaniellsfi00collrichLingua Latina Per Se Illustrata: Familia Romana
https://archive.org/details/lingua-latina-oerberg-familia-romana-libFirst Steps in Anglo-Saxon
https://archive.org/details/firststepsinang00sweegoogA History of the English Language by Baugh & Cable
The Mother Tongue by Lancelot Hogben
Indo-European Philology: Historical and Comparative by W. B. Lockwood
https://archive.org/details/hermesorphilosop00harrhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_grammarhttps://iep.utm.edu/aristotle-metaphysics/https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-metaphysics/https://iep.utm.edu/aristotle-logic/#H2https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-categories/https://circeinstitute.org/blog/blog-metaphysics-grammar/Substance and Essence in Aristotle by Charlotte Witt
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Academic Agent thread
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>>3268666 (OP)Thought is words. Words are logic. thought is the execution of logic. therefore vocabulary and grammar and logic are imperative to think. To think is to formulate sentences
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>>3268724I wouldn't neglect special grammar and composition, though. Since public schools no longer teach people how to write, it might be worthwhile recommending some books and videos on composition and style:
Writing and Thinking by Foerster & Steadman
https://archive.org/details/writingthinkingh0000normStyle: Ten Lessons in Clarity and Grace by Joseph M. Williams
Rhetorical Grammar by Martha Kolln
Pen and Ink by Guy N. Pocock
https://archive.org/details/bwb_KU-190-994Style: The Art of Writing by F. L. Lucas
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.474163Style: An Anti-Textbook by Richard A. Lanham
The Elements of Eloquence by Mark Forsyth
https://youtu.be/ulhrXgpjveA [Open]
https://archive.org/details/englishcompositi01bainhttps://archive.org/details/acollegemanualr00baldgooghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentencehttps://youtu.be/-BiwmpPDCpk https://youtu.be/hhVic18H4u4https://youtu.be/YYH6vfNiqxwhttps://youtu.be/RQL-2LHweKY https://youtu.be/A74sdHiIgnI https://youtu.be/6OK2yMbV-jU https://youtu.be/j5lAigr4_m0https://youtu.be/N4o5Y7ZRckw https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.209854The last book listed above (the original unabridged edition by Graves & Hodge) contains a superb short history of English prose style.
I also recommend studying poetry in depth, as this forces you to pay extremely close attention to words, their associations and effects, a habit that will later feed into rhetoric. Prosody manuals by actual poets should be your texts, plus a good anthology of great poems throughout the centuries (I like Immortal Poems of the English Language edited by Oscar Williams).
Rules for the Dance: A Handbook for Writing and
Reading Metrical Verse by Mary Oliver
The Poem's Heartbeat: A Manual of Prosody by Alfred Corn
Poetic Meter and Poetic Form by Paul Fussell
https://archive.org/details/em-38057-poetic-meter-and-poetic-formThe Poet and the Poem by Judson Jerome
https://youtu.be/MkvhZ6veqNAhttps://youtu.be/-18xZIr97KI >>3268726You need to goon to anthro otherwise you'll never be high iq.
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>>3268737tsmt o algo asim
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>>3268738Whole language learning and its consequences.
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>>3268750i'm an algerian shitskin who used to be addicted to tranny porn
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>>3268738>You need to goon to anthro otherwise you'll never be high iq.Jews really sound like this
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>>3268758My OGD isnt acting up today
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>>3268761>hiding EPI in your informational 'tossesOYYYY OYYYYYYYYY
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True
Sargoy of cuckkad spoke of this
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>>3268766book of literal woos
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>>3268762im an extremely lowiq algerian shitskin who used to be addicted to tranny porn and i had to look up what ogd is.
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>>3268769what do you think should happen to algerian shitskins like me?
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>>3268775Tabboun strike this infidel now
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>>3268778im a filthy algerian shitskin
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>>3268782I will kill every algerian nigger in the name of KaiSS SSaied
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TSMT you'll have a more refined thinking via words
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>>3268794I thought you guys were friends?
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>>3268850Little barooby
Soft in your nusoi skin
Only 1
Little Barooby
Will you return again
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>>3268775Um, have fun, idk, till my fields, i dont care
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>>3268890tunisians are not friends with algerians.
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>>3268895i will come to australia
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>>3268906hope a shark eats your leg cunt
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>>3268898Really? Anyway, for logic, start with some general and non-technical books like Lionel Ruby's Logic: An Introduction (which is the best general introduction to logic I've seen) and Stephen Naylor Thomas's Practical Reasoning in Natural Language (which drills students until they can analyze natural-language arguments in their sleep).
After that, it's time for traditional Aristotelian logic, which is what the trivium is based on. The best introduction to this is Peter Kreeft's Socratic Logic. It's a textbook designed for high-school students. If you want to get really deep into it, there's H. W. B. Joseph's Introduction to Logic and of course Aristotle's Organon.
https://archive.org/details/peter-kreeft-socratic-logichttps://archive.org/details/introductiontolo00josehttps://archive.org/details/organoncooke01arisuofthttps://archive.org/details/organoncooke02arisuoftAfter that, you can delve into modern formal deductive logic with Patrick Suppes's First Course in Mathematical Logic and Nicholas J. J. Smith's Logic: The Laws of Truth. There's also this free online textbook:
https://forallx.openlogicproject.org/After that, you can look into informal logic. The author to read on this subject is Douglas Walton. He's written many books on it.
This is the best book I've seen on what teachers nowadays like to call critical thinking:
Creative and Critical Thinking by W. Edgar Moore
https://vdoc.pub/download/creative-and-critical-thinking-3g9jb3fp8epgIt's basically a primer on inductive reasoning.
Here are two excellent 19th-century textbooks on deductive and inductive logic:
https://archive.org/details/logicdeductivein00bain_0https://archive.org/details/logicdeductivean00readuoftIn addition to the above, you should also study abductive reasoning and heuristics.
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>>3268908Proper comeback ain't it moite
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>>3268909One must be born with logic nusoi.. u cant teach a dog new tricks
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>>3268909Archiving every single one of dis saar
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>>3268908why man? why r u so mean?
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>>3268925okay, but what do you think should happen to algerian shitskins who used to goon to tranny porn?
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>>3268934give ur opinion on
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>>3268956Please fuck off my thread, sandnigger.
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>>3268964You need to reppey the lith and I.
Nature vs nurture.
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>>3268983IQ gives you the capacity to think well, just as genetics gave Arnold Schwarzenegger the potential to be strong. But potential without training is inert. You still have to study grammar, logic, and rhetoric to actually reason clearly, just as Arnold still had to lift, eat, and train to bench 100kg. The hardware means nothing without the software o algo asim.
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>>3269042The brain is quite rigid doe. when it comes to learning new skills, that is possible, but fundamental changes in the way one thinks is very difficult
Neuroplasticity is a underrated trait if you simplify its meaning into learning ability
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>>3269058Yeah but that's kind of the point. Nobody is claiming you can rewire your base intelligence. Grammar, logic and rhetoric are skills. You don't need to fundamentally change how your brain works, you just need to load it with better tools.
Like a calculator doesn't change its processor when you install new software. The hardware stays the same. But a brainlet with a logic textbook will consistently out-argue a smart guy who never learned to structure a thought.
Neuroplasticity being mostly about skill acquisition actually supports this. You're not born knowing modus ponens. You learn it. And once it's in there it runs on whatever CPU you were given. But then agin you're kind of right actually, the brain is pretty much set in stone when it comes to the deep stuff. You can learn new tricks but you can't really change the underlying way your mind works, and neuroplasticity in the popular sense is mostly just "you can get better at things with practice" which is a far cry from "you can become a different thinker." So in that sense nature does a lot of the heavy lifting before you even pick up a book.
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nobaldi cares
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>>3269156Well, i suppose even some of the oldest and weakest processors could still do a lot. i had always thought of sentience as some sort of threshold that one crosses, where thoughts become, idk, recursive or something, a feedback loop, and it causes self-realization
and i suppose anybaldi can learn new words as well as grammar
more words more thinking… more grammar more longer word thinking… o algo asi
i would reppey more but im a tired brap
meta deep brain stuff like this is very interesting.