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someone advocating for no borders or immigration laws for every single country
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>>3233182 (OP)any opinion that isn't the exact same as mine :|
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Lennon talking bout some no borders no religions
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Borders are inherently monopolistic. One government agency gets to violently control the voluntary movement of people. It's simply immoral and innefficient on all counts.
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>>3233343Monopolies are good
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>>3233182 (OP)>all billionaires need to die not just da joozi dont think commies understand our way of thinking
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>>3233182 (OP)i dont know why but a lot of people (who i assume are leftist/ have liberal values) like Mike Ma
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>>3233430He said "My grandma was bourgeois"
(Either talking about after the reforms by Gorbachev, or he was literally not from any former-USSR state, which he was very hesitant to even say anything when i interrogated him on it.)
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>>3233447Not even jucheists like pol pot
Pol pot even claimed to be not communist, geg.
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>>3233486Coonmmies are too retarded to know that
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>>3233447just a hunch but i think thats a cia agent
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Transgenderism is also a capitalist concept, but nocommo seems to realise that
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>>3233504Because it's revolutionary to think differently or something
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>>3233343BASED
>>3233504Can we assign social concepts to economic systems in that way?
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>>3233567Modern transgenderism comes from deranged people & Marx was a leech jew. Deranged people don't disappear in socialism, Beria is a good example
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>>3233182 (OP)Someone in my political science class said all races should race mix
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>>3233577SHOULD? Is this a mystery meat eugenics program???
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>>3233504New fellow WelshGOD appears
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>>3233575I suppose for any regular degeneracy, but with the fall of capitalism, transgenderism should fall too.
Marx was also only an ethnic jew, but that still gives a lot of communists a ethnic background like the bolsheviks for example.
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>>3233182 (OP)i once heard some nigger defending the goverment using ai.
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>>3233614Liberals do this but with any debate ever
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>>3233584Capitalism does not create degeneracy. Praxben came out of retirement (a catholic) and made a lengthy video responding to moral critiques of capitalism, and he shows that community ties and connection to faith actually increase with the advent of capitalism.
Also, systems such as central planning have issues like the Knowledge Problem and ECP, so unless other economic systems are used, we have issues
>>3233614Is he defending the government because he's a nigger or is he a nigger because he's defending the government
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>>3233622thank fuck someone points out liberals are dumb fucks.
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>>3233623It's more liberalism, individualism, and materialism that dissolves ties between communities than the money themselves. Unfortunately the two are often associated
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OH YEAH. Forgot some retarded guy was using AI to ask the teacher a question to make himself sound smart
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>>3233317I say this and think this
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>>3233623I'm not talking about the absolute economics themselves, degeneracy appears much more under a capitalist socdem party than a capitalist conservative party for example. but capitalism leads back to transgenderism one way or another.
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>>3233623to answer your question, both.
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>>3233657Cities are fun bc you can run around at night and scare brown people
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>>3233663You can't see them in the dark though
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>>3233637Real liberals (what we would now call moderate libertarians, or classical liberals) need to retake that term. What we now call liberalism is progressivism without full communism. Praxben in his video actually goes over how materialism decreases when people have more 'stuff' because in subsistence agriculture times, if you didn't have the 'stuff' to make food you'd die. When we had more abundance, you could afford to lose or not have some 'stuff', and this is proven by studies. Having less makes you more protective over what you have, it's why homes in 'the hood' have metal bars on them.
Individualism is also not correlated with less community participation. Humans are social animals, so with the unique combination of abundance and freedom to befriend whoever you want, the first social clubs came into existance.
>>3233649"Capitalist socialist democrats are more degenerate than conservatives"
Oxymoron, but true. SPD is basically mixed economy progressives ATP.
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>>3233675I said socdems, not demsocs
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>>3233668You can smell them though
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>>>3233637
>Hence why i don't live near cities
So, you dont live near, Cardiff, Swanners, St davids, Bangor or Wrexham.
Are you from Tenby or the valleys geg
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>>3233680Similar difference, I suppose not the same.
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>>3233623>Capitalism does not create degeneracy>and he shows that community ties and connection to faith actually increase with the advent of capitalism.Are you not aware of the
(((billionaires))) who donate to NGOs and advocacy groups encouraging feminism, immigration etc since the 60s? Is that not a direct consequence?
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>>3233675No reclaimation need take place. Liberalism is poison for the soul and should be allowed to die. You cannot move back. Only forward. Economic restructuring is necessary
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>>3233692Only in the name
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>>3233696Down in Abbers butt, you knowsss ittttt makes sense darlin
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>>3233693Yes Billionaires are liberal because it lets them make even more money. This is the problem. In a free market society it will always drift towards liberalism because it is an ideology of maximizing profits
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>>3233702Don't go there often, last time was for a lunch break while heading to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
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>Valleys
I live in Bristol for studies, thats why I dont have a welsh flag geg. Its nice to see another Welsh person since the last welshGOD was a fucking retard
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importing 4 gorgillion jeets into canada is good
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>>3233713Merthyr Tydvil KFC or Pen y Fan butt
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>>3233693Many such billionaires create their wealth through collaboration with the state. This was the nature of monopolies for nearly the entirety of human history: certain people given sole permission to operate a certain business. Monopolization of industry is not very popular however, the state now goes about monopolizing through regulations and predatory taxation. Also those NGOs and advocacy groups often have direct state dept spending so this could very easily turn into an anti-state argument
>>3233704No? Billionaires often push for higher minimum wages, we saw Jeff Bezos do this where I believe he pushed for a 15 dollar minimum wage. Why support an ideology of competition when you can support an ideology of soft socialism that benefits corporations as we currently live under?
>>3233694Was the liberalism of John Locke, the American Revolution and the neo-leveller spirit rising after the English Civil War 'poison for the soul'? The dutch after adopting liberalism and fighting the west's first independence conflict flourished and with capitalism came an explosion of art and culture. Jean-Jaque Rousseau, famous nigger and inventor of the Goyim Contract, once said that you couldn't get the time in Amsterdam without paying for it.
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>>3233731I'm assuming you're talking about Classical Liberalism and not Progressivism, BTW.
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>>3233731I really dont think billionares care about snca politics policies, its too goyimpilled to process
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>>3233731Billionaires push for higher minimum wage because it justifies greater automation
Liberalism itself as n ideology was always going to lead to this. It is an ideology of eternal revolution and emancipation
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I don't know if it's related but when some millioniare have an opinion against billionaires or some big corpo shit and a nigger says something like
>ermm, you are rich, that's why you are an hypocrite
but the difference in money between a billionaire and a millionaire is bigger than a millionare and a average joe, so the point is valid
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>>3233704Its all to do with making biomass of human cattle. The more concentrated and inflated a pool of labor is, the higher the job competition becomes. It's why immigration started happening after the birthrates shrunk, because the
(((bankers))) and business owners realized the labor market was going to collapse and become more competitive.
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>>3233749huh thats neat i guess
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That communism is actually good for freedom
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>>3233751Noboldy will believe me but my family is probably in that category
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>>3233760My parents have tuned on people like musk because of the H1B thing
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>There is anarcho-communism, but most ancoms are literal pedophiles from my experience.
MANY such cases
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>>3233758There is anarcho-communism, but most ancoms are literal pedophiles from my experience debating with them.
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>>3233772
I don like to go for low hanging fruit when discussing ideology. Anarcho communism is retarded enough without insulting its believers for their actions
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>>3233776i just achieved gnosis from watching this
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>>3233775anarcho communism is not free either but i get where you're coming from
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I'm not a classical liberal, I'm a libertarian so my defense of classical liberalism purely comes from a love of Mises and a preference of it over other ideologies. Liberalism did not go far enough in its shrinking of state power and opened the door for later absolutions.
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>>3233780Even ancraps know you need a LITTLE bit of hierarchy for society to work.
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>>3233766I was thinking something like when Billie Eilish said something like musk should/could end most of the world hunger and the only argument against her was that she had like 40 millions or something
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>>3233783In theory (if they even have any doebeit)
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>>3233784Libertarianism doesn't work because the natural flow of power is centralization. Certain uber rich people will lobby for stronger government because it benefits them and It will always become a centralized government which will inevitably be liberal
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>>3233787You're correct and this is probably the only defining line between bog standard anarchists and ancaps. Ancaps find economic hierarchy acceptable due to it being voluntary
>>3233788no the argument is that scarcity will always exist lol elon musk won't change that
>>3233795>certain uber rich people lobby for stronger governmentThe iron law of oligarchy doesn't apply to stateless societies
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>>3233788I mean I think to some extent word hunger these days has more to do with the endless hordes of Africans pumping out children they know are going to die. Africans are the reason world hunger exists
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>>3233802Mind you, social voluntary stances like the NAP simply don't work because of human behaviour
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>>3233802yes I don't know, make sandwiches for homeless, you know what I mean
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>>3233784I love Libertarianism and freedom, constitutionalism, but the fact other nations exist requires a strong military and security force, which naturally erodes libertarianism, I dont think its very possible.
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>>3233802A completely stateless government is impossible forever. The same thing will still take place no matter how many spreadsheets or constitutions you sign
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>>3233802There's a term for what I mentioned? I was just inferring
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>>3233795>>3233820This nigga gets it
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>>3233820..Libertarians and especially anarchists are against the constitution. Do you even know what they even believe?
>>3233814Keep libertarianism and constitutionalism out of the same sentence, they are incompatible if you go by more radical libertarian views and not ron paul end the fed
>>3233828Yes. The iron law of oligarchy is the tendency of any society with power over its citizens to eventually devolve into oligarchy as capital development continues and some people gain more political power through having more money than others. This happens in every government besides anarchism
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>>3233829Kikes are usually the reason low authoritarian states fail
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>>3233835Constitution or not it changes nothing. In fact in many ways it becomes easier to centralize authority
Damn. Guess I was right on the nose. That's a big ego boost
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I used to be a minarchist when i started getting into politics, until i realized how crap capitalism really is.
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>>3233835Libertarianism is impossible without constitution the state always veers towards empowering itself, there is no check without constitution
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>>3233839It is equally our fault for becoming their golems. In the Middle Ages they were treated correctly.
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>>3233852Im trying to narrow down when we became golems. It must have been before ww2. Does anyphono know? Snopes/
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>>3233846Learning a concept you've rationalized already exists is THE biggest ego boost possible
>>3233848"I watched ron paul sigma edits at 15 but now I advocate for distributism/state capitalism/central planning/mixed economy/ MMT / Keynesian theory / neoclassical theory"
MANY such cases
>>3233850"A stateless society is impossible without a document giving the state power since the state in the stateless society will always empower itself"
Son
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>>3233861I'd say, after WW1.
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>>3233864The near UNIVERSAL support for the war by socialist parties was strange and possibly coordinated
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>>3233863You're just arguing against your own position. If you have nothin to enforce statelessness it won't be stateless anymore
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by SOME group
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>>3233864Useless Aryan wars caused this…
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>>3233871>if you have no mafia guy on the street taking your money for protection how are you going to be protected the mafia will take overCome on man, this seems like a conceit to statelessness
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>>3233861Snopes fact check: In terms of Britain it was two big stages, the glorious revolution allowed them back into Britain, then the Jewish emancipation allowed them to be politicians. Economically we became jews in the reformation due to loosening restrictions on the definition of usury.
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>>3233886Except everyone else is a mafia and it turns into a gang war until someone wins
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>>3233893Son how does this compute in your head
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>>>3233850 (You)
>"A stateless society is impossible without a document giving the state power since the state in the stateless society will always empower itself"
>Son
This is kind of retarded because your arguing from a phiolosphic naive nigger perspective. You need to be concrete and real when arguing your ideology. a stateless state will become a state thats how it works, the only way to force cooperation from the state and the nigger citizens is a clear cut constitution
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if this was the case of human history we'd currently be in a hot war with the entirety of the rest of the world
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>>3233657that truck is leaking oil into the manifold
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>>3233901If there is no state. No constitution or common laws. Everyone is out themselves. People will try to get a foothold in whatever they can. Certain groups might control a private fire department that overtime consolidates into a police department then into a government that can protect people from their neighbors etc. your basically re creating civilization from first principles
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>>3233886You will eventually get a character like mussolini o algo, or jews who will turn the stateless state into a strong state, and then an opressive state and then a zogbot in the latters case
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>>3233917*oneself from libertarianism
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>>3233917Everyphono cuckertarian is a 'p apologist in disguise
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>>3233920Yeah he sounds smart but he's pretty retarded, I think the clear answer here is why dont we all just unite as white people kill every non white, and then start discussing deeper politics geg
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>>3233937Keynesian economics, and the vast majority of politcal stances only work in higher trust white societies
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>>3233937In my experience libertarians and affiliates tend to be smart but extremely lacking in perception
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>>3233931Again no comment bc the minute you go down to insults people stop listening
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>>3233906>You need to be concrete and real when arguing your ideologyThis isn't philosophical at all.
You don't need to force cooperation from the state and nigger citizens if there is no state. You've admitted there is no social contract and there is no voluntary nature of governance and that humanity is always in conflict with those who seek to govern it through force. This is a fatal conceit to anarchism
>>3233917Yeah… I'm not especially the biggest fan of the fumo poster geeky retard part of libertarianism, but nerds is what is attracted by libertarianism and essentially any radical theory. Niche socialism has the same issue.
>>3233922>You will eventually get a figure in a society with a state ruled by a figure who will want to become the ruler of this stateYou're again just rediscribing the iron law of oligarchy. This issue does not exist in anarchism because there is no throne to inherit.
>>3233920There is a law, it's natural law theory. Some people are rational egoists (like the Objectivists of LiquidZulu) but I'm not entirely sure where I would stand.
>Certain groups might control a private fire department that overtime consolidates into a police department then into a government that can protect people from their neighbors etc. your basically re creating civilization from first principlesThis is actually an excellent point. However, you need people in this society to A. in no where along this process choose a different fire dept or other company to prevent them accumulating power (and as the ECP dictates, with scale comes economic inefficiency) and B. that some where along this way people will consent to involuntary taxes in the 1 place on earth where there is none, which I find unlikely.
>>3233931Son
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>>3233968Literally just ask them if they support loli and everyphono will say yes, which by extension makes them vantablack 'p apologists.
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>>3233985Good point except this is depending on people being rational which they are not. Whichever side has better advertisement will win bc the average person does not care about this and only wants to get through the day. It's the same reason why Americans haven't overthrown the government despite being in the perfect position to do so
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>>3233985Quality of life, also we are a social species, we love to band together against other people over everything e.g. race, wealth ideas, and how do you expect to deal with enemy nations who band together and end up raping us in your anarchic society