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I suppose slavery bleeds out a country in the long run
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This implies liberation was inevitable.
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>>3203064Slaves owners have a low IQ and a cuck fetish.
Imagine letting a nigger work for you near your wife and kids?
And they can't comprehend future either
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>>3203068Killing them was the only good options.
>The south wanted them to be kept as slaves>The North wanted to free themThey are both lower than these Niggers
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>>3203077Lincoln fought very hard to get them the fuck out of the country btw. Why do you think liberia exists. Of course, they killed him.
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>>3203076At the time of the slavery rush it seemed like Slavery was undefeatable in terms of labor power and the support from the progressive demands of the industrial boom made it seem like it's going to be a necessity. Times were changing however and with that change also comes it's side of societal growth and views towards Niggers
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>>3203064and now we know why america won
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>>3203086Lincoln was a one guy.
I am talking about the mindset of the people.
Lincoln was based indeed
>>3203089You could've had more, way more of this if your ancestors didn't trade it for cotton.
>>3203088Half Trve.
Irish slaves existed, but Niggers were too cheap and dint fight like the Irish
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larp larp sahur
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>>3203060 (OP)What do you think of enslaving them in their own countries. Like enslaving indians within india.
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>>3203097Doebeit the Irish were seen as higher than the Negroes so of course they wouldn't enslave them outright. If we are talking about the Nigger takeover doebeit it was always destined to come even had America flung them out wholly back to Africa. The British sever off direct slavery sooner but after a while they fell down from the Brown horde
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The issue is that welfare is meant to sustain an individual experiencing temporary hardship. It's meant to be a state of embarrassment. This system is incompatible with a group of people with no concept of shame. In fact, they actually seem to draw their pride from their poverty and reliance on the system. This is strictly incompatible with civilization as a whole.
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>>3203131TSMT holy fucking shit my blood boiled seeing pipo imitate Niggers and their pride for le nigger life in nigger hardships and trends
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>>3203131Welfare is not meant to sustain people in the short term. What happens if someone doesnt get a job? They get back on welfare. Its a loop that cant be broken. You disallow them from collecting welfare? They end up looking for welfare again or they get a job in which case welfare was useless. Its inately continuous.
In parts of Germany 1 in 4 people are on welfare. At that point, that group of people are a distinct minority with an immense economic influence and political loyalty to whoever upholds the welfare system. Want to get rid of the welfare state? The economic impact would be severe on the 3 of 4 and your party would comit public suicide as there is no replacement for the lack of spending. Not only that but the number naturally grows as taxation rises for the 1 in 4 which means less of the 3 in 4 see a reason to keep working and so on.
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They should've done the arab method because then all of the slaves would've died afterwards like they did in the arab nigger slave trade
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>>3203156Arabs are brown because they fucked niggers. So that clearly didnt work.
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>>3203101Isn't a bad idea
But slavery is wrong either way, just kill them and take their resources
>>3203131It isn't the welfare, it's prison complex, the damage, the crimes and other stuff.
>77% of Niggers baraly pay back what they received from the system>23% generate a negative valuehttps://www.renegadetribune.com/call-them-by-their-name-part-v-jewish-control-and-operations-2/?doing_wp_cron=1768565942.1167519092559814453125 â„–3203165[Quote]
>>3203156Saracens aren't Arabs or Semitic to being with.
And modren Saracen counties are infested with Niggers, look up UEA nigger population
>>3203159Saracens aren't Arabs
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>>3203154>They get a job in which case welfare was useless If they didn't have a job, but needed money in the period before they found a new job, then the welfare worked as intended.
Realistically, I think the only solution is to subject welfare recipients to semi-homelessness. They should have to live in extremely modest government facilities to minimize their cost on the taxpayer. They should receive only the absolute minimum amount of food required to sustain them, and they should receive no cash of their own to spend. Additionally, any children they conceive while receiving welfare should be aborted and result in forced sterilization. Existing children should be able to receive benefits.
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>>3203154Well what do you think the solution on this would be? Personally I think it's the redpillimg of public perceptions on them. Simply instill to them what welfare is for, temporary aid for the populace to stand up on hard times. If the men on welfare makes no clear effort to better themselves then the Public is expected to shun them for being useless
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>>3203174I think welfare is best done for in subsidized nature and moreso like a Bond. The Government helps you to pay but in turn you must finish a Quota to repay once you are able
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>>3203176And what happens if they simply don't pay? Are they imprisoned?
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>>3203177Debt slavery wasn't THAT bad
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>>3203177The government takes cut from their wage. I do state that the repay period is in effect once they are Able
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This is why capitalism and individualism lost. They lead to short-sightedness.
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>>3203181This is why social democracy won. It combines the best of both systems.
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>>3203174People on welfare are not sucessful people. Whats the difference in taking welfare or working a the job aforded to the unsucessful? Trading a few hundered euros a month for free housing, electricity, water, gas and 40 hours more freedom is the superior choice. Hence, anyone with a brain in that position would pick the welfare. So those that could get a job wont because they are too smart.
Have children? Why work 40 hours for a net loss when you can collect benefits and care for them.
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>>3203179Again, what if they simply never get a job? That's the entire issue that we're trying to solve. Besides, if an individual has to repay their welfare, they're even less likely to want to take a job, because then they'd not only have to build up their savings and pay for their personal expenses, but also repay all the aid they received. I tend to think of welfare more as collective insurance rather than a personal utility.
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>>3203184This implies the welfare is generous enough to afford you a comfortable life. Why would we begin our conversation with that as the assumption. Of course the system is going to be abused if you let people live in comfort while relying on the government.
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>>3203189The standard for what a 'comfortable life' is varies quite a lot from person to person doe.
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>>3203182Which social democracies "won" exactly?
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>>3203175Any pushback is immediately met by the comfort and warmth of the left leaving the welfare system untoutched to those addicted to it. The solution is involuntary labour of those under welfare. With the bare minimum afforded of course. This isnt going to happen any time soon because, as i have said, the welfare class is politically loyal to stagnation of any efforts in that fight.
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>>3203190Obviously, but the vast majority of welfare recipients in the United States would find it incredibly uncomfortable to have to live in what's essentially a homeless shelter in order to collect their benefits.
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>>3203189If your society is going to implament welfare, they will allways implament it in a ridiculously charitable way. I began with that assumption because its the reality.
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>>3203196This is why pensioners are so reactionary.
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>>3203195If quality of life is your main index, then I imagine the various Gulf states are actually the best in the world. Imagine waking up in your palace, not having to do anything all day, and still collecting a fortune in oil royalties just for existing. I think they won more than anything.
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>>3203202This exists only due to them importing millions of slaves from places like India. It isn't really sustainable.
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>>3203196>Involuntary laborWhat kind? Also, are they compensated for this labor?
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>>3203203It's entirely sustainable. There will almost always be endless masses of poor people to import. The real question of sustainability is the source of their revenues.
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>>3203195Social democrats in Denmark are failing slowly. Not only that, but they are considered right wing nowadays which is why they are failing in the polls lol.
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>>3203199Historically this wasn't true at all. The modern conception of welfare is completely distorted. It's absolutely possible to have a welfare system that provides only enough for an uncomfortable existence.
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>>3203204Labour that is unfufilling, gross or otherwise inscentivising to seek other work. Prison if non compliant or willfully useless on the job.
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>>3203212Maybe then. Not today. Human rights courts, the left and burocracy make the opposite a reality.
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>>3203207This is what white slave owners thought while artificially creating a dozen or so niggerhells in the Caribbean.
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>>3203185hmmm there needs to be a system that forces them to take a job or be forced to an unbearable point to which discourages any intent to live on welfare, meant for those who has the strength to uphold themselves of course. What do you think of making the environment for them always pushing them to get a Job and if it is evident that they voluntarily do not want to have a Job despite the availability of positions then have them denied welfare. For the Homeless I like the idea of the Dutch VPN, that is having them put in a sort of Levittowns and having them work with an extra tax put on on them. I'm sorry if I'm retarded xir I'm way below your league but i want to be better o algx
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>>3203208Blame the prolecattle
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>>3203213Are they at least compensated for this labor?
>>3203215>Human rights courtsAhhh, European problems. The left and bureaucracy are unfortunately near-global. Even still, the issue is bad enough that I think the population could be convinced to take a more aggressive stance against welfare. At least in America.
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>>3203216If they hadn't lost their colonies, this wouldn't have happened.
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>>3203227>If everything had gone right, then it wouldn't have gone wrong!Well duh
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>>3203225No. You get food, housing, ammenities and work 45 hours a week with a small allowance. Basically, wake up, clean litter off the street, meet quota (if not met, no allowance), sleep, repeat.
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>>3203230I don't understand what your implying. The underclasses are always more numerous than the leadership. There is always the possibility of revolt. Slaves have the least capacity to revolt since they lack any education and are only entrusted with the most basic of tasks. Their only advantage is population. Who should they have made work in the fields of not African slaves?
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>>3203241They should've made white prolecattle work the fields at the cost of lower profit.
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>>3203243slavery giving higher profits is a myth
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>>3203238That still sounds net negative for tax contribution. It depends on how generous the housing, allowance and amenities are, but this just sounds like having a low level government job. Personally I believe the most important parts of any welfare system are not being able to conceive children while being a recipient, and not being given any cash. The involuntary labor part seems interesting, but I doubt there's enough trash for all welfare recipients to pick up.
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>>3203255Being on welfare gives you the time to have kids. You need to take away the time.
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>>3203249Slavery gave more short-term profits to slaveowners but was very much a net-negative on the overall economy on the longrun (and specially on white laborers). This is why claiming every white person benefitted from slavery is retarded. If you had white laborers doing the job instead it would've benefitted everyone on the longrun, at the cost of lower short-term profit for the slaveowners themselves.