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>Muslim"GOD"s
its just if you believe maphammad is a true prophet and if you believe the hadiths and quran, shias are not considered muslims by sunnis cuz they reject hadiths
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By checking if they're a smelly pedophile who beats their wife, probably
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>>3044566Then what makes for example Jihadis/ISIS not Muslims?
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anyone who refuses to follow quran and sahih hadith
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>>3044583they kill sunni brother and abuse takfir, treat it like some toy that allows them to kill anyone they want
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>>3044583they are muslims cuz they are doing jihad but leftist muslims try to redefine what jihad is to disqualify them as muslims, dont fall for them
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>>3044596>they kill sunni brotherTheyre killing people that are trying to kill them though, wouldnt it be justified in that sense?
Also what makes their definition of Takfir invalid
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>>3044604What is like the muslim authority to actually determine if theyre muslim though because most of the Sunni world seems to in a way agree theyre not muslim or too radical or whatever
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>>3044646Honestly idrk its really vague, even nowadays not a single country is considered truly muslim for some reason
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it's differs a little from a sect to sect, but generally anyone who bare witness that there is no deity but god and that muhammad is the messenger of god is considered a muslim, unless they do something that "makes you leave the circle of islam" such as intentional blasphemy, helping non-muslims kill innocent muslims, doing black magic etc
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>>3044615they kill women and children, including sunnis
they takfir entire nations because they disagree with some stuff the government did
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>>3044545 (OP)From what I know is that Mormons don't reject the trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as they exist, as there is a hierarchy there with God the Father being the Top, Jesus at the Mercy Seat, and the Holy Spirit being the helper.
What Mormons do reject are the manmade doctrines and discussions behind a "trinity" of God.
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>>3044684>they takfir entire nations because they disagree with some stuff the government didThey takfir the nations for obvious reasons though, most islamic nations were actively fighting against them, but not neccesarily "takfiring" the people
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>>3044694They change the Trinity in a very fundamental sense to make myself more clear
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>>3044646muslim authorities are councils, breakaway members can make their own councils
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>>3044705I don't understand what they changed they see Jesus as the Savior and Son of God and don't deny that there is a Holy Spirit though, i think definitions and wordiness are at fault here
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>>3044706So they work sort of like protestants where Sunnis can believe very different things on many subjects, but since they agree on the important parts theres still Sunni?
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>>3044715>When it comes to Jesus, Christians believe he is fully human and fully divine, and he has always been divine given that he is the second person of the Trinity, God the Son. Mormons, however, believe that Jesus Christ was once an "intelligence" such as us who existed from eternity. He was not always divine, and he was not always the Son of God. Instead, God chose him to become the "firstborn" among the intelligences by giving him the first spirit body. In 1909, the Mormon Church's leadership released a statement that read, "The Father of Jesus is our Father also. . . . Jesus, however, is the firstborn among all the sons of God-the first begotten in the spirit, and the only begotten in the flesh. He is our elder brother, and we, like him, are in the image of God."
>Instead of being completely different in kind from human beings, this counterfeit Christ is different from us only in degree (hence the term "eldest brother"). He is just a more exalted spirit-child of God the Father, which reduces him from being the eternal creator of the universe to being merely one highly praised part of it, which is antithetical to true Christian belief. â„–3044725[Quote]
>>3044721Ah, the definition of merit and good works, like God can choose people to go to heaven or not then, kind of makes sense
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>>3044735>Then i grew plump like the best kind of plumpWhat the fuck does this mean
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>>3044742that religion that celebrates booty and not virtue
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>>3044545 (OP)All you have to do is say illalamismillabillubulla in precence of 2 men and you are muslim. Yoy can also just claim youve said it, it's that easy
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>>3044545 (OP)ive heard its actually haram to claim another muslim is a fake muslim o algo