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>>2974944No it definitely started a long time ago.
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Someone gigaquote the jew and nigger
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Most Jewish slave traders were Sephardics and not Ashkenazi like the Rothschild family
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>>2974939 (OP)With the French revolution. Even sooner with the fall of Constantinople and the discovery of america.
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>>2974969A kike is a kike.
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And Jews did not start the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, the Portuguese did
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>>2974973>the fall of the west happened before the englitghtenment.Meds… JUST MEDS.
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Hippie culture happened after ww2. The children of people who died in ww2 were absolute degenerates. Same thing happened with GWOT and millenials and gen z.
These patterns seem to happen all throughout history. So, I cant answer this question.
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>>2974999To be fair to those people. They were raised to believe that the world could end at any second due to nukes.
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>>2974998It fell when feudalism ended.
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>>2974998The 30 year war and reformation was, when it all started to go to shit irreversibly.
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>>2975006Gwot, roaring 20s, the list goes on and on and on and on and on. There is no fairness.
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>>2975031So what year do you think you can pin point it at?
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>>2975143Either 1453 or 1517. Though 1517 is more specifically relevant for the trajectory of the west.
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>>2975163The fall of Constantinople was more of a symbolic loss at this point. But abandoning the single unifying factor that the church used to be across western Europe opened the floodgates for all kinds of societal decay for sure
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>>2975177Napoleon delivered the killing blow btw
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>>2975177I think Luthers criticisms were legitmate, just he came to the wrong conclusions. Everyone should be able to read the bible but not everyone should be a priest.
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>>2975194So what do you think of Hitler then?
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>>2975202General interwar schizophrenia. Bela kun, lenin, Ataturk etc. Such buffoonery was popular at the time.
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>>2975200It's less about integrity of his beliefs but rather what he sabotaged by weakening Rome. Every western state used to have a commonality in their submission to rome, and that was generally a good thing.
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>>2975241And also the rigidly defined classes. Noble, cleric, peasant. Everyone knew their role in society, Everyone had expectations. That is why I mentioned the importance of feudalism earlier.
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>>2975254I understand why that would be helpful but I believe that fundamenatlly people should see themselves as a part of a national identity first and foremost.
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>>2975254The more i think about it, the decline of the west is pretty much in line with the emergence of townsfolk as a dominant class and the importance of commerce.
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>>2975273It may be too big and arbitrary. Nationstates are not as organic as people may think, being a product of 19th century romanticism (in europe). It all hinges upon the immediate family unit, loyalty is owed to those who offer direct protection from violence. That's the way it has been for thousands of years prior
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>>2975336But I think that if people only see themselves through the lens of class this could inevitably lead to something like communism.