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I want to believe in socialism so bad but the ecp seems unsolvable.

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the original real socialists jumped ship to like le turbo fascism or communism like we all do

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Just accept that you're an alpinoid and your natural place in this world is a peasant/worker for the Nordid culture-producer masters

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Thats assuming that a socialist economy is COMPLETELY managed by the state, when in reality the most efficient "socialism" imo is that of china, a sort of midway because i think competition produces innovation o algo

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>Just accept that you're an alpinoid and your natural place in this world is a peasant/worker for the Nordid culture-producer masters

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Marge

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>>2972544
China can barely even be called socialism.
The only true attempt at market socialism that didn't imply surrendering to capitalism was Yugoslavia and it failed hard.

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>>2972523 (OP)
Well yes and no, also depends if your talking about like a fascist type of socialism or not

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Somephono explain ecp

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>Marge

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Where's the bvllgarian when you need him

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>>2972554
Oh and also the NEP in the ussr but if anything it only showed the disaster that was central planning by being succesful in the areas that were liberalized.

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> Somephono explain ecp
Economic calculation problem i think. Basically state socialism would need omnipotence to know what resources to go where, where as the free market as a collection of everyones wants and needs can balance it out just fine

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>>2972576
Well i think theres ways around that. But it wont be pure socialism anymore

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seca

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>>2972544
China is fascist lol

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>>2972523 (OP)
Resources are provided to whatever industry is most important that needs them.
>>2972544
China is not socialist at all, they are state capitalist. They arent fascist either.
>>2972554
Could have kept working if not for nationalist retardation.

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>>2972822
How do you determine which industry's needs are more important? How do you know the potential tradeoffs of investing in one or the other? In a market economy, prices instantly indicate which one is the most needed, but a planner can only take arbitrary decisions based on obvious shortages and such. When the potential benefit of investing in one or the other is not as obvious, the planner is just walking in the dark.
>Could have kept working if not for nationalist retardation.
Yes, but Yugoslavia also had another issue which is that its market socialist model didn't have real competition in it as each time an enterprise failed the state would come in and save it from bankruptcy to keep up the idea of socialism and equality. By its end it had a massive debt with the IMF

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>>2972891
I'm not a libertarian myself so maybe someone else can explain this better

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