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Its literally impossible to adapt a democracy under this fuggen hellhole. Coorperate lobbying and the overwhelming amount of fucking super patriotic retards who would rather have a billionaire unwholesome fnf pedo control their water than to have a socialist state are the reasons why the world is shit to begin with. Even if you try to have an opposite idea on the liberal political sphere, you will get bought out anyway. Atleast the people under le wholesome ussr collectively had a say. Demolishing religious buildings was a huge mistake.

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>>2970601 (OP)
>NOOOOO ITS NOT DEMOCRATIC (IN THE WAY I LIKE) ENOUGH!
Read theory, kid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy

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>>2970616
Reading theory and it's wiki articles

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>>2970618
You can find the relevant literature if interested. It's an introduction. You're literally a nigger that talls about marxoid shit while espousing idealist utopian shit like in the op. You're underage.

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What kind of democracy? Workplace democracy, consensus/direct democracy, or democratic centralism?

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>>2970620
Nigger jumped to definitions of labor aristocracy jsid

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>>2970624
Your defintion was incorrect. Marxists(like Lenin and Bordiga) do in fact believe social democracy and democratic reformism is worked on the back of the global south to keep their working class unwanting to revolt

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>Its literally impossible to adapt a democracy under this fuggen hellhole. Coorperate lobbying and the overwhelming amount of fucking super patriotic retards who would rather have a billionaire unwholesome fnf pedo control their water than to have a socialist state are the reasons why the world is shit to begin with. Even if you try to have an opposite idea on the liberal political sphere, you will get bought out anyway. Atleast the people under le wholesome ussr collectively had a say. Demolishing religious buildings was a huge mistake.

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>>2970628
no shit

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>i'm sure that if i centralize the power more in a context of lobbies where every faggot could gain power if they put pressure hard enough i would get my epic democracy
Leftoid not being a delusional retard for 5 minutes (impossible).

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>>2970661
>privileged upper layer of the working class
As I explained to you this is talking about the operation between the *national* working ass and not the *INTERNATIONAL* one, that's the difference. Literally if it was just spme small minority of the national working class why would that stop the rest of the proletariat from doing a revolution? I also showed you the empirical reality that 8/10 of people in Scandinavia is very happy with their life. Marxists suppose this is because of exploration of the global south, that's why they advocate against reformism. I also showed you thay wages in this countries have been increasing and the global south have sayed flat. It makes no sense that the working class should revolt, their standard of living is the highest in the world and it keeps improving.

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>>2970601 (OP)
Democracy is a fool's errand. All roads to secular utopia will be forever paved over the corpses of the sons who died to bring its current masters to power. There is only one king and that is the almighty God above and His spiritual nation of Israel will triumph over all others. We will reclaim the holy lands from the Synagogue of Satan and cleanse its sands of heretics.

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>>2970688
exploitation of the working class*

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Campaign finance reform was a hot button issue around 2008, 2012 but da Joos diverted attention elsewhere.

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Also you're better that that image, op…

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*than that

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>>2970729
No xhey aren't. She's the target audience.

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>>2970688
Am im denying that? Why can't the northern and southern proletariat know the fact that theyre on the hands of the capitalist? Aren't they classified as the same by definition? What makes you think that people in states such as the US are happy with the 9-5 pay? You're just too retad for someone who is too confident to teach me about marx.
>why would that stop the rest of the proletariat from doing a revolution?
1. The united states is a surveillance state.
2. The proletariat cannot gain class consciousness in a snap even if they're struggling hard. A jartycuck won't think that theyre a jartycuck even if theyre a jartycuck by definition. Never call me utopian bigot.
3. A labor aristocrat is satisfied with their pay. The proletariat is not.
>Marxists suppose this is because of exploration of the global south, that's why they advocate against reformism
Das true doe
>Muh happiness chart
Jarvis compare the godfather of capitalism which is the US to Mexico

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>>2970740
News flash, people are never satisfied even if they have everything they need.
>what makes you think people are happy?
What great narrative states people lives must be happy and perfect for society to work? For what reason the average joe is willing to sacrifice everything in a gamble that could make his life 10 times worse?

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>>2970740
holding a foreign working class responsible for your material conditions just because of trade between your two countries is crazy work

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>>2970740
NIGGA YOU'RE STILL DOING THIS OFFUSCATION AND NON-SEQUITUR SHIT.
You're picking to talk about the US instead of these more socially dempceatic countries that retain capitalism because you can't. AND THE US "FAST FOOD WORKER"(superficially harping on this for some reason) WAGES ARE STILL INCREASING. A labor aristocrat is just someone in the working class in a country that benefits from inperial "super-profits". It's a scale, some benefit less and some more (like in Scandinavia) effectively creating working class satisfied with their life that only improves, acording to the theory.
>Why can't the northern and southern proletariat know the fact that theyre on the hands of the capitalist?
More utopian garbage, Marx did not think alienation from wagelabor was enough to string a revolution, that's why he hsd the immiseration thesis and other more mature ones.
>1. The united states is a surveillance state.
First, it's because socialism isn't popular and worker conditions are improving. Second, i'm not talking about the USA, you don't wan to talk about the Scandinavian social democracies.
2. The proletariat cannot gain class consciousness in a snap even if they're struggling hard. A jartycuck won't think that theyre a jartycuck even if theyre a jartycuck by definition. Never call me utopian bigot.
They've had enough time for 150 years since Marx.
3. A labor aristocrat is satisfied with their pay. The proletariat is not.
Okay if the "labor aristocracy" is so small in the national scale then this isn't much of a problem then, the rest 99% of workers who are apparently EXPLOTED can do the deed.
>Jarvis compare the godfather of capitalism which is the US to Mexico
First, There are like 25 more economically free and capitalist countries than the US. Singapore being 1, ranking first on happiness in Asia.
Second, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE US? Capitalist spcial democracies have the happiest working class in the world.

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>>2970766
The dissafaction your talking about is way less concerning that to rot in the cement of skid row. No shit you will have a episode of dissafaction. Capitalism stems it fully as most of the times, entertainment is mostly enjoyed by people who won the birth lottery.
>>2970768
It is not blaming if the developed proletariat acknowledges the struggle of the foreigner. Socialism and anti imperialism didn't start off randomly.

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>>2970789
>Capitalism stems it fully as most of the times, entertainment is mostly enjoyed by people who won the birth lottery
You could say the same about everything in nature, if you're not born the right way you're easy to filter. But that is just the world you're born into not a systemic problem, a struggle for betterment is a constant.

Again, what is your goal? To give power to the protariat or to make them happy?

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>>2970772
>First, it's because socialism isn't popular and worker conditions are improving.
Too unpopular that they have to install coups on latam socialists, and let kikeintir take control of the surveillance.
>Second, i'm not talking about the USA,
Evan doe the USA holds a lot of power in the capitalist sphere. These fuckers can drain you if they could. I'm not even trying to bring it because I like them.
>you don't wan to talk about the Scandinavian social democracies.
Theyre both the same as it gives the capitalist a slap on the wrist. Scandavia is beyond socially democratic. snca.
>Capitalist spcial democracies have the happiest working class in the world.
I thought yall hated comparing GDP

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>>2970800
Nophono wants to get reminded that their amazon shift is tomorrow when enjoying le wholesome nature. Isn't improving working conditions and actually free from wagekikery heaven enough for you?

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>>2970806
You're prone to deflection because let's be honest, you don't even know what you want yourself. You keep talking about democracy and exploitation as if one is a perfect system that could face against every geopolitical challenge of this world, and the other as if working under someone is a form of exploitation instead of a social role.

At the end of the day you'll be forced to fallback like every marxist based society did, the commoner is not interested in politics and decision making, he's more interested in a nation he can trust and be part of.

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prestige stoic goy above me

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Do what you want, at the end of the day there is no free lunch.

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>>2970789
"acknowledgement" has nothing to do with it, they're either responsible or not

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>>2970819
AY CRAKKKA DAS YO FAULT FO BEING YT

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>>2970821
thanks lizzo

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>>2970601 (OP)
tung tung sahur



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