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>>2929658 (OP)whats is this map
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>>2929666hdi (Human Development Index)
you can see that non-secular countries are all shitholes (red ones)
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>>2929658 (OP)I'm surprised that south america is that green
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>>2929658 (OP)secular nations wouldnt have there power without religious empires of the past doebeit
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If secularism is good then why do i still live in a third world country
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Red and orange: Nietzchean Bronze Age Mindset nations
Green: Longhouse Matriarchal economic zones
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It didnt
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>>2929699what power?
everytime a country became more progressive (in the sense they gave more democratic liberties to the people and became less absolute) they became good, (ex: uk and france)
beforehand they were just shithole city states fighting eachother and looting and burning down eachothers towns because "my kind is chosen by god!", and the other side would say the same.
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Africa is vvoner
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>>2929724dont argue with religioniggers its a waste of time
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>>2929724power of morality and want to see all that god made of the world. before religion women were merely sex slaves incest was a big thing and slavery was accepted as law. religion brought into the global consciousness that these things were evil and eventually these things died out geg. So ye without religion you wouldnt have your precious morality in its current form
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>>2929739>giving up on discussion because you dont like the other sideye issa christcuck
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>>2929739also your from cali so dont be talking when you live in the one state that is the zenith of modern day degeneracy and immorality
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>Chile
>Secularist country
>The country suffers a high rate of anxiety and depression among the population
Thanks atheism for building a society with your judeo-bolshevik ideals
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>>2929772atheists cannot accept that without religion we wouldnt be even 1 10th as close to the power and knowledge we have. sure you can say we need somehting else after but religion was CRUCIAL in creating the infrastructure for there science to prosper
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>>2929743no, woman weren't just sex slaves beforehand
that is to say in many societies they were, but in most pre-christians societies woman had decent rights
examples include ancient Egypt
now obviously Christianity gave more rights but it wasn't like some paradise where everyone was equal,
in your "muh based trad monarchies" woman were basically property unless u were a royal.
im sorry but woman VILL have rights…..
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>>2929780Just because Christianity lead to inventions, doesn't mean that no one else would've invented them.
I see this argument from religoids, epecially muslims. They always cope with how their countries are shitholes with "Well we invented ze algebra saar"
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>>2929783>assuming i am talking about monarchies monarchies were anti christian and used religion as a means to justify there rule. christianty and the state fought for hundreds of years on what kings did and what they didnt do. religion planted the seeds of modern day morality so again without religon you would have an even worse world
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>>2929792im sure someone wouldve invented them at one time or another but we would not have been on the same fast pace as we were without religon geg
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Have you ever noticed that the most atheistic countries (scandinavia, the netherlands, australia) were all historically protestant strongholds
That's right, protestantism is a pipeline towards inevitable atheism and therefore it is a heresy masquerading as Christianism
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>>2929794what seeds?
seeds of "dont kill people for no reason"
wowwwwww bro im sure no society had that.
friendly reminder in christian countries they would just go to their neighbor and plunder and burn down all their villages for some gold coins and fun
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>>2929806no? they didn't become atheist because of Protestantism
they became atheist because they became good countries to live in, their living standard improved.
Protestantism is 100x better then Catholicism
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>>2929812ye dont kill people dont rape dont steal dont fuck your siblings dont own people. ye you just leave out alot of other shit religion demonized that was common practice for most of human history GEG. again confusing state with religion. for a secular thinking you really cant seperate government action from religious one
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We really should be considering the denominations as their own separate religions instead of lumping them all together as "Christianity", we Catholics are nothing like you protestants, we are not brothers and nothing connects us
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>>2929833gay infighting about a sect that only spawned because the catholic church was so corrupt and retarded they needed something new. its a catholic church failure not a faith failure
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>>2929836You're a based yankee, too bad WASP golems are the US's ruling class
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>>2929831most religions other then goofy pagan ones and islam all say that too btw
dont rape, dont steal, dont kill
who's not to say that if Christianity wasn't a thing or wasn't big we would have some other religion with the exact same outcome?
also just because christianity says to do good stuff doesn't mean that without it we would be back a little or something
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>>2929847ye im sure you will own the christcucks and they will see truth if you strawman them and take verses out of the bible we no other context. ye bro im sure you got them
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greece isn't secular and is one of the few european countries with a state religion but yet has a green hdi?
nigga, there is no fucking correlation
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HDI is a globohomo lie like democracy, and even if we used that fucking Saudi Arabia and Iran do better than the secular Venezuela, and somehow Iran is on par with the entirely secular PRC.
Secularism didn't win, THE SOYENCE did and you're another fucking worshipper, go back to reddit.
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>>2929856also greece: shithole economically
tourism only thing keeping greece afloat
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>>2929852no islam justifies murder of non believers and was born out of a need to justify war by muhammad. paganism is mostly a system used by tribal people to get better outcomes from nature etc. christianity was born out of a need for the roman empire to believe in something more then pure brute force and warfare. the intentions of all 3 are very different as you can see and there foundings wanted different things. one of war one of desperation and one of peace.
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>>2929839Guess which Christian denomination is backed by the CIA, does the most money laundering, has the "prosperity theology", and has the most rabid supporters of israel within its ranks
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>>2929865india is also a secular state and we all know about how much of a shithole it is
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>>2929856canadian man discovers the term "On Average"
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>>2929872denmark also has a state religion too
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>>2929870i think there's a big difference between drive thru protestant amerimutt churches and cool and based protestant gothic germanic ones
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>>2929870ye and guess which pope supports lgbtqia rights and allows it. i was talking about how it formed not what current catholics/protestants are doing.
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>>2929873all your examples of non-secular states just have it on paper, there's no real enforcement,
it doesn't really affect the laws at all really.
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>>2929870and just because some followers of this belief are shitheels doesnt demonize the entire belief system geg
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>>2929869dude i legit said in the first sentence that islam was not a good religion
same thing with paganism
i said that they were "goofy"
and implied that they didn't do good stuff
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>>2929891my mistake. i see your point now. and im talking about the past. we needed it in the past and maybe we need it now but that is up for debate im saying that fundemental we needed the cultural/moral infrastructure christanity gave to have things like the scientfic method to flourish. in a pre christan society we have people violently oppress religion without any change that did happen with alot of scientists in our history but eventually we managed to fix these things and we prospered.
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>>2929877Well, too bad the latter is going extinct in their countries of origin i guess
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>>2929907more of a cultural issue then anything else
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The nordic flags being crosses is basically anachronistic at this point
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Quickly going down btw