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Nigga thought he was polish nobility. Blud was on that late stage neurosyphilis shiy
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>>2929377Because he was an actual loser, but it pols behaviour when anyone merely supports any arguments of his is niggerish.
Inb4 association fallacy.
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/pol/frippies dont read in general
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>>2929371 (OP)nietzche wasnt a nihlist. he was a hero he spread a good ideal
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>>2929371 (OP)If phonos disagree with one thing they'll disregard the whole message
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>>2929412Aldoe I agree with Schoppenhauers and Nietzsches statement about too much reading, linking youtube videos thinking they epically own me is reddit behaviour.
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>>2929422He died a nihilist, he himself said this but you can disagree with him if you want. He never could achieve his ultimate dream of creating his own virtuose and becoming Ubermensch.
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>>2929442sure he can say he is nihlists but in reality he was a person who promoted the will of the person, hope, and need to find your own meaning in life
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>>2929442His ideas are abstract, I agree, but that doesnt debunk them. Regarding the second thing, with the me right you wrong mentality, this applies to everything almost every, at the end we base our values on different axiomatic systems. In addition there is nothing wrong with being elitist.
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>>2929448He promoted the will to power, not the will to person or anything like that, btw being a nihilist and doing the things you described are not contradictory.
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I agree that his general writings are regarded as Existentialist, but in the end he died a nihilist, he said it himself, he couldnt create any new virtuose at the end he was just like Zarathustra in the beginning of his book Thus spoke Zarathustra only a messenger whose message met deaf ears.
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His worldview was shaped by his unfortunate life, a lot of people in his position would end up believing similar ideas.
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It's a waste of time
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embedded Wagner top left
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>>2929480Non sequitur fallacy
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>>2929482I still havent read contra wagner
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>>2929481Posting on the sharty is a waste of time for some, this is only subjective, maybe you will learn something new.
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>>2929493He's most critical of Xtianity in that one
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>>2929506Explain why he should give any reason?
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>>2929517Becouse he is writing a book on how one should live
If you do not base you believes on logic then how can you claim to live by truth and want any good?
Just think about it for a second
If he neednt have given any logical reasoning for his beliefs then how come you expect trannies to do so?
Its just "muh cartoon character says trans right!" But instead its zaratustra
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>>2929540Complaining that Nietzsche uses a literary style instead of a formal logical treatise is just missing the point of aphoristic and poetic philosophy. Also, your argument about troons is irrelevant to evaluating Nietzsche. Expecting everything to be laid out in formal logic ignores that hes writing existential guidance, not a math textbook.
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>>2929559Yes it is required to use logic for writing philosophy,
Claiming otherwise is just funny.
If you are claiming to share a truth then you should be able to give argumentarion for it
There is no difference in a clittycell saying "We muzt kill al da evil kikes becouse that makes me feel good"
And a troon saying "I must support gay rights becouse they make me feel good"
Both are based on emotion and not logic.
You cant just claim to posess the truth about life and then result to writing bad poetry to explain it without any logic or arguments.
And yes, it is to be expected for a philosophy book to be written like a math book, and by that i mean logically and built on logic
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>>2929573your insistence that philosophy must mirror mathematics is a textbook category error ideas about human experience don't obey axioms and proofs. Claiming all nonlogical expression is "bad poetry" is just low IQ handwaving hasty generalization. Keep pretending that rigid forms equal truths like Plato, but then dont try to pretend to read Nietzsche from a neutral perspective
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>>2929582Aristotle VVQN btw if that matters
Have you ever heard about something like "appeal to emotion"?
Yes nonlogical philosophy is not philosophy as it is not built on objective truth and is merely a reflection of emotions that the writer is feeling
I dont understand how come you defend this but then hate on trannies who also build their philosophy merely on feelings without giving any logical reasoning
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>>2929593Your indulging in a selective outrage fallacy. Im not defending "nonlogical philosophy" I am pointing out your absurd overgeneralizations and moral equivalences. Your claim that any philosophy not expressed mathematically is "just feelings" is a massive oversimplification of centuries of thought Aristotle also didnt prove his claims via formal logic.
BTW claiming everyone who appeals to emotion is intellectually bankrupt is itself an appeal to emotion masquerading as logic. GGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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>>2929599>didnt prove his claims through logicHave you read nichomaheian ethics?
>saying that appeal to emotion is a fallacy is appeal to emotionWhat are you talking about nigga?
<I didnt say that philosphy expressed mathematically but i said about philosphy built by logic that is created through logical implications and that has been built on it.
Im going to sleep rn so i wont be able to reply
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>>2929622Youz are twisting Aristotle to fit your narrative Nicomachean Ethics is full of empirical observation, examples, and practical reasoning, not formal logic, just like Nietzsche.
Saying "appeal to emotion is a fallacy" is not itself an appeal to emotion is just basic definitional ignorance on your part.
As I understand youre claiming "logic-built philosophy" is somehow the gold standard, which is still just pretentiousness dressed as rigor.
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>>2929464i guess they could be if your making an observation of the universe but thinking the world has no meaning and that you shouldnt try is contradictory. also explain how will to power is any different then willpower. both involve becoming the best version of you and both are very hopeful
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>>2929593hottake but even an idealogy that you disagree with can strengthen your mindset and improve it. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
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>>2929650I think I miscommunicated a bit I didnt mean nihilist in the modern reddit sense, but in the sense that he died without making his own virtues and believing in nothing but his own message at the end of his life.
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>>2929661TSMT, I am not even a big fan of Nietzsche
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>>2929662wdym but making his own virtues? like actualization? believing in your own message without changing means your not a poser social clout nigger even if your idealogy is completely retarded geg
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>>2929667niggas think an idealogy has no merit if it doesnt follow pre supposed logical philosophical constraints XDDD
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>>2929673No, what I mean is he didnt become an Ubermensch as he desired to set out, he died before fulfilling his goal, and he writes in some letters, that before you can become an Ubermensch you first must go through nihilism or something, I dont remember the exact thing he said.
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>>2929696i mean cant you believe in humanity's need to make there own meaning and view god as existing like accepting gravity exists? i think its possible both idealogies can exist at once
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>>2929713Indeed, I dont think Nietzsche rejected the idea of god a priori, it just seemed to him that the current values of his time arent aligned with nature or god, take it however you will.
This is atleast my takeaway, but I am not Nietzsche so I cant say for certain.
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>>2929727i mean he was right for his time as he lived through the fucking gilded age geg
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>>2929732It seems true even today fren. I will go to sleep now. Good night!
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>>2929371 (OP)He's smart but misguided due to having not taken the christpill