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I throw shit on the bathroom ceiling
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I'll answer once I get home
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I'm an euromutt so I may fall asleep by then but oh well, I hope it doesn't get slid
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>>2924631 (OP)Dyer is only useful for Orthodox peepos and isn't useful for converts because he's very aggressive with his argumentative style and follows the sam phronema of Saint Nicetas of Novgorod, where he is exceptionally knowledgable in the history, books, and knowing of the fathers/gospels but is very agitatable.
<He's a layman like us so he isn't in any administrative position but as a general follow of advice you should be more /calm/ and not follow his spiritual disposition
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sorry for answering for minnesotan but xe isn't baptized yet and I am
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>>2924656no need to be sorry, thanks for replying
and I too wish to be baptized, that day will be glorious
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>>2924663have a blessed lent chuddie
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>>2924666I'd fast but I'm too sickly, I gotta try the "fasting of the eyes" instead. have a blessed lent too bro
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>>2924676fasting cures you of shit albeit
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>>2924637Wait ur not banned?
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>>2924682but I'd pass out, it's not possible for me
you're vietnamese, you know how being skinny is geggggg
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>>2924653I couldn't find anything about St Nicetas about this on google, is it from books?
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I'm also technically Orthodox but I'm admittedly lapsed
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>>2924754Oh yeah, I didn't watch it yet. harmony is goated.
makes sense honestly. debaters very often know how to refute the other side, but aren't firm in their own position. I'm not saying Jay is, but you can see a pattern with like Shamoun etc.
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>>2924768you need to lQck in, you'll be much better I assure you. Orthodoxy is the only thing keeping me sane in this world
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>>2924782I mean I just don't really go to mass anymore more or less
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>>2924631 (OP)>>2924637>what are you doing today?I had work today, but now I'm home
>btw what do you think of Jay Dyer?From what I've heard of him, I can't say I disagree on any of the content of what he says, but I really think the manner with which he presents himself is in error. He's very brash and rude, which can be entertaining, but I don't think its helpful in converting or convincing people on Orthodoxy. When people come to Orthodoxy, they are looking for something "foreign", like a refuge from modern culture. So when you are presenting Orthodoxy with the same old worldly brashness with which any other debater would present any other worldview, it does the faith a disservice.
>you're the only orthodox I know of (online) that is a noticerTM and a believer,I'm a bit disappointed in myself over this, frankly. I assume you are referring to Jews when you mention nooooticing, so I'd like to clarify that while I acknowledge that there is an over-representation of Jews in positions of power and that Judaism as a religion is wicked, I think hating Jews is very unhealthy. One ought to love all men as Christ does. I think I've been letting myself get too "chuddy" lately. I think I'm at my best when I'm a bit more calm and a more productive contributor to conversation. I'd also like to make some more videos rather than just posting here.
>>2924656>sorry for answering for minnesotan but xe isn't baptized yet and I amThis is true, so take anything I say on the Faith with a grain of salt
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why does being baptized mean anything in terms of knowledge
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>>2924843Do not take me for more learned than you are just because I have received the faith and the sacraments, God in his wisdom can take away my faculties or grant them to someone else who is Younger or Older in the faith than I.
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>>2924848In the Orthodox Church you have to complete Catechesis before you can be Baptized
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>>2924857sure but anyone can learn something
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>>2924843I don't think knowing about the Jews and their way of subverting society is inherently bad. you could get paranoid because
>MUH CIA AND MOSSAD ARE GANGSTALKING MEbut that doesn't have to be the case. many of these things might even push us towards God by realizing that this world is full of trash.
oh and I don't like the blind rage like TND TKD and the rest, see picrel
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>>2924857very strange, I've seen no such thing. you could instantly get baptized
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>>2924862a different nous is required to understand separate things, Holy scripture is one of the premier examples of this poonerbvbv. Look at the division between authority & the schisms in Christianity between it. Understanding is not the whole story
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>>2924843I remember my prot days where I went on to debate with everybody, you make a good point
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>>2924862It's still better for me to preface that I am not as knowledgable as most. It's good to be very cautious to not fall into prelest.
>>2924866Really?
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>>2924868g25fag is NOT fucking orthodox
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>>2924871yeah, cradle church, converting is unheard of, so there isn't any program for converts
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>>2924866Catechesis is necessary as a rite for baptism because it comes from the practices in the Didache, that the Apostles gave to the church. Now of course there are outliers like St. Mary of Egypt but those are extremely special cases in where God set her as an example out of the world to be a recluse and to become holier than much of us.
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>>2924874the priest said it was used in early Christianity where many were converts, but nowadays I can read books and search questions online
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>>2924879hmmm that doesn't sound right, What Orthodox church is it euromutt? You need to be wary about schismatics as there are some Orthodox/Orientals that claim to be Orthodox but aren't in communion with the others
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>>2924884don't you worry, it's not schismatic. It's the SOC
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>>2924873Oh, I see. That's unfortunate.
>>2924874There's really exceptions for everything. A convert may also receive an emergency baptism without catechesis if they are in poor health and expected to die soon.
>>2924879Well I suppose it's understandable that a Church with a mostly cradle-Orthodox parish and without the proper resources may be a bit more lenient.
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>>2924887Huh, strange for Serbs to do that
<IDK dude if you're really fervent about being baptized into the faith (Because surely you must know that only the baptized can receive communion as they're the members of Christ's body) Maybe you can see if there's any Monastery's near you, IK there's a lot in England and some in Ireland/Scotland but i'm not really sure where you are
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>>2924903there's a metric ton of monasteries so I'll be good
yeah I know about Communion. I even hesitated to eat the antidoron but my priest allowed it so 'sallgood
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>>2924890As it was with the thief on the Cross and the promise Christ made to him
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>>2924911antidoron is 100% fine to eat you're good, the blessed bread is for everyone
<but yeah you should go to one of them if there is no catechism service in the church, maybe ask your spiritual father
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>>2924912I'm not dying thank you very much
what and who would I ask in the monastery?
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I don't think I could ask a random monk
>hey I'd like to become Orthodox o algo
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>>2924917nowadays probably e-mail to arrange things, and state that your intent is for catechesis and that you're new to the faith and give them a decent background on who you are and why you would like to convert
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>>2924924funny thing is that I emailed a notable monastery. they themselves say that there's no known catechumenate programs in the
country. what they suggest is close contact with a priest and socializing with parishioners.
I'm not known for being social so I'll have to work on that
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>>2924678I skimmed the first article you linked here. While I agree with some of his criticisms of "Orthobro" culture, I think describing it as a "parasite" on the Church is incredibly unfair. I think the Church would do well to rein in some of the more controversial figures that are currently representing Orthodoxy online, but a lot of people make it out to be worse than it really is.
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>>2924933oyyy my Goddddd (No disrespect nor in vain sayings)
<I don't know bro maybe you should see if you could get in touch with an elder at a monastery to see if he can instruct you in the ways, I highly doubt it's country-wide except if you're in some nophono place like basque or luxembourg
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>>2924947as a young man a spiritual father is the most valuable asset one could have
>>2924956I looked at the "about" page but didn't really see anything questionable, is there something I'm missing?
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>>2924947dude orthodoxy's been here for 1k years, it's proud slavix land
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>>2924963when was the last time you masturbated
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>>2924964Well that should make things easier
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>>2924967as I said nabvbv, you need to recognize there's something severely wrong with you and why you act hypersexually like this.
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>>2924967That's a very innappropriate question Nabubu, you ought to know better
>>2924970When I looked further, this article stood out to me as well as a bit weird:
https://theopenark.substack.com/p/part-2-towards-a-christian-religious(on a semi-related note, why does every conflict in the modern day need to be framed as a genocide?)
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>>2924976>being high T… LE BAD?>>2924979sorry
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>>2924979Alexander Men's strongest soldier btw
>>2924981not masturbating is a sign of balance and control, it's very masculine to resist temptations albeit
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>>2924988ya thats why i wanna know because it is hard for mi
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Every orthodox person i know notices. The algo hiden em from ya
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>>2924991try going to sleep before midnight, that will solve most of it
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>>2925003Everyone always goes to sleep before midnight
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>>2924994I will say that one of the first times I went to coffee hour at a new Church a while back, I was listening in on a conversation about something controversial that had just happened in local politics, and they definitely mentioned da joooz. They were also comparing the U.S. to the fall of Rome, which I think is a forced meme but whatever.
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>>2924994perhaps
>>2925005everyone? not true at all. imo temptations stop when I sleep well and night is a risky time in general for indulging in sin
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>>2925003Speaking of which, I ought to be going to bed now. Goodnight everyone, thanks for the conversation.
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>>2925008Eh, not to forced. But it's not entirely correct. We are experiencing the fall of the republic imo
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>>2925015the sun is rising here in euroland, kinda cooked but ah well
goodnight to you Minnesotan
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>>2925013i mean i woke up at 2 am today, what does that mean
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>>2925029I have a sleeping disorder called N24 that makes me sleep at random times albeit
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>>2925034well that changes things, must be hard for you nabubu, it surely messes up all activities. sorry
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>>2925044it is ok thank you for being nice