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no replies in 30 seconds you have fallen off
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degeneracy won
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>>2832586 (OP)It is a downward spiral. You dont have to be religious to accept for example that porn damages your brain for example.
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Okay forestrebelemil
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Kill yourself commiedaggot.
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>>2832607Best way to quit porn?
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Hey primo manolo, what about pisslam and all abrahamic poison? (including christgeggery)
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>>2832614Commiedigglet thread.
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DNI with Catalan coal.
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>>2832599>>2832607So what if the "degeneracy" in question has no tangible drawbacks? For example, what is wrong with protected sex?
>>2832624All poison to keep the existing social order and siphon even more wealth from the proletariat. All organized religion must be banned in a true socialist state.
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>>2832628Tsmt.
Total commie death.
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Degeneracy itself is a product of neurosis + lack of self control + bugman mentality. I do not want people who are quite literally mentally sick to be influencing my family, my children, my society, etc.
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>>2832586 (OP)Asceticty is
aryan, actually. if everyone was a thieving jew we would be as shitty as india- if everyone was a faggot we would be so hypersexual we would die off like the behavioral sink experiments. also christ thinks all of that is gay anyway
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>>2832649a fatty among us
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>>2832622The first thing you need to do is be mindful of the harms. Then there are different ways to go from there, maybe if you are about to goon just think of how pathetic it is that you are masturbating to people who you dont know, and who dont care about you alone in a dark room.
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>>2832642According to this commie.
This isn't degenerate and is ok because the cuckold is enjoying it, and you should hecking leave them alone to reduce infighting between the proletariat.
>>2832649Please immediately kill yourself.
All you do is suck and gurgle on my cock 24/7.
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>>2832638If you are promiscuous, this influences your personality and psychology in negative ways.
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>>2832638There are drawbacks that may not be immediately visible but do certainly exist. You may have heard the phrase "Tradition is the presence of solutions for problems that have since been forgotten." When you remove societal standards against degeneracy, there will be drawbacks you could not anticipate.
If you had existed, say, 75 years ago, you may have been a staunch defender of birth control and casual sex. But now we have seen the obvious toll it has taken against our society that could not have been predicted.
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>>2832655hi quote. shut this site down already please
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>>2832690Why are you quoting yourself?
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>>2832635I have tried this, to no avail.
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>>2832679I'm Catholic, but real. Society is all interconnected. A dude with a porn addiction, or sexual deviancy is obviously going to negatively affect society, as such things necessarily permeate. One only needs to look at the psychological state of an archtypical zoomer or even millenial to know that degeneracy destroys society in ways yet unseen.
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>degeneracy
It lowers the quality of society. It's a vague word that can be applied to anything
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>>2832679Hey minesottan
What do you think about Greek-catholicism?
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>>2832679This tipe of thinking leads to not achieving any progress. If tradition was good just because, we quite literally wouldn't have bothered to move from the caves.
>>2832692Nothing wrong with pleasure.
>>2832694What do you think?
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>>2832706>can be applied to anythingDifferent moral and ethical frameworks say that some things are degenerate/good and others are not, but a general rule of thumb may be that whatever establishes a more grounded collectivist mindset and social cohesion in society is not degenerate.
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>>2832705I think it is pretty interesting How the right wing in politics Puts the Form of art in the first place While the left wing puts the meaning in the first place
I think it's similar to Theory of Clean Form Created By Witkacy (a polish interwar Painter and artist) Which claims that The only thing that's important in art is how it is presented and not what it represents
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>>2832586 (OP)SUPERSAGE, NEGATE IF YOU LOVE CAPITALISM
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>>2832736Nigga if you have a porn addiction just say so lolololol
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>>2832743AKA: The right has no substance and is irrational.
>>2832750Projection.
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>>2832741I said "can", not "should". Though I agree with your statement
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>>2832736>Nothing wrong with pleasure.Well it is, Pleasure is the basic of hedonism, If the only goal in life is pleasure then it is not really a good life
You saying that also kinda contradics your ideology which says to colectivise everything, Pleasure is in its own an individual thing, Hedonism is also Build on individualism And hates any type of collective
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>>2832736Tradition does not halt societal progress. But society ought to be oriented such that progress is slow, careful, and done with tradition at the forefront of our minds. The fast and reckless progress of technology and social standards is one of the reasons why modern society is so disfunctional.
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>>2832743Art should be an expression outwards, it should almost scream at you for what it stands. It shouldnt be the way, that most modern art nowaday is like, that you see actual shit on the wall and then the artist says that this is a critque on the socio economic factors black people are suffering from. By the representation of art we should already get a gut feeling what emotions it evokes.
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>>2832754AKA rangeban Spain
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>>2832754The left can only talk about marx and marxist theories or marxist interpretation, they have trapped their minds in a framework that keeps them imprisoned. There is not much difference to the right in that regard.
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>>2832754>Started entire thread to try and own the chuds and ultimately rationalize hedonism>"Nothing wrong with pleasure">Claims I'm projectingFrog.jpg
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>>2832782I enjoy engaging in this conversation so bump
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>>2832754>AKA: The right has no substance and is irrational.That is not true doebeit
The Clean Form theory is just a theory, You need to keep in mind that all art is a representation of something, It being either a higher idea or an event / person / Any other material being
The right does not say that What the art represents is useless but it says that both the representation and the topic itself should be Good / usefull
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>>2832736I don't know, that's why I asked
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>>2832789It often feels like I am talking to fundamental christians but instead of them being christians they are leftists.
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>>2832754Baited everybaldiphonobeidore award
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>>2832776Interestingly this is kinda what Witkacy Thought of
>In this situation, art needed to change and depart from classical, realistic models - according to Witkiewicz, this was the only way to achieve a deeper impact on the viewer. These changes were to be realized in works of Pure Form - according to them, the content of a work is of little importance and can be completely arbitrary, while form becomes the essential component. Its strangeness, non-linearity, and lack of harmony are meant to shock the viewer, confront them with the unknown, and compel them to experience things more profoundly. â„–2832826[Quote]
>>2832769>Well it is, Pleasure is the basic of hedonism, If the only goal in life is pleasure then it is not really a good lifeWhere is your reasoning? You're saying it's not good because yes.
>You saying that also kinda contradics your ideology which says to colectivise everything, Pleasure is in its own an individual thing, Hedonism is also Build on individualism And hates any type of collectiveWell hedonism on a collective level is a possible philosophical stance, I don't see why they are mutually exclusive. But even so, what many people fail to realize, is that communism is actually individualist in a sense; you collaborate with the working class as a proletarian yourself because it is what objectively benefits you, even if you might be misled to thinking otherwise. Marx said this, not me, although I agree, of course.
>>2832774You are falling into a contradiction. If society advances, even slowly, then it is going to reach the same point of "hedonism"/"degeneracy", if you would call it that, just at a slower pace; the end result is the same. And it would be hard to determine the future effects of a social policy if it is allowed only partially.
>>2832775Okay, "Ceo of Based", I'm the cringe one here, sure.
>>2832789Marxism is scientific. It is based on observation of the real world, not the other way around. Unlike christcuckery, I might add.
>>2832791No contradiction.
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Child sacrifice good?
Pedoism good?
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>>2832781Spain is too much but I think rangebanning Catalonia is fair
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>>2832816I agree but dont you realize that exactly in this catharsis of the representation of the art piece, creates the emotion it should represent? Our human minds will create the meaning the artist intends it to have, for example the messages in Arno Brekers works were always related to the ancient greek/roman virtues through their representation this is perfectly encapsulated without there needing to be any explanation.
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>>2832832nigga lives in peurto rico 💀
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>>2832826>Well hedonism on a collective level is a possible philosophical stance, I don't see why they are mutually exclusive. But even so, what many people fail to realize, is that communism is actually individualist in a sense; you collaborate with the working class as a proletarian yourself because it is what objectively benefits you, even if you might be misled to thinking otherwise. Marx said this, not me, although I agree, of course.This is a dumb idea.
The same could be said about capitalism then
<Capitalism is colectivist as you need to cooperate with others to reach your goal of moneyIt is an idiotic argument from your side
It's like saying:
"everyone is bad becouse no action satysfies everyone"
Hedonism itself is Individualistic as it prioritises Your own pleasure over others and what they might feel
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fucking another mans asshole is nasty, actually
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>>2832826Marxism is the opposite of scientific, for something to be scientific it has to needs to be tested and experimentally verfied. It cant be defended apriori like a valid theory already. This goes against basic methods. This is the same as the string theorists whc claim that we live in a 563 dimensional ellipse because then gravity and quantum physics work out and call everyone a flat earth conspiracy theorists, who points out the fact that it isnt verfied.
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>>2832835I agree with you, Doe I do not think that all art should bring out emotion
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>>2832859Every art brings out emotion, no? I mean you always get a certain impression, wether good or bad when looking at anything.
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>>2832586 (OP)Is this normal?
>Degeneracy has been used throughout history to weaken the enemy society's population (especially children).
Degeneracy leads to drug usage, spread of STDs, children getting groomed and an overall decreased morale in society.
Tell me how two gay parents, who commit deranged sex acts with each other every night is supposed to raise a child that won't grow up to be a fucked up individual.
Accepting gay rights or whatever other bullshit you're thinking of when talking about "degeneracy" eventually leads to accepting more and more repulsive behavior until society becomes a hedonistic playground filled with slaves who chase the next high by becoming more and more degenerate.
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>>2832869I guess, What i mean by "Art bringing out emotion" is Art Filled with emotion to the brim Like Baroque paintings and Roman sculptures
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>>2832885Ah okay, yes I agree.
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>>2832879Knowing plebbit, this is someones life now
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>>2832863By the way, when I say "Whig History", I'm not calling you a liberal, but referring more generally to your assumption that society has a predestined point where which it's progression will inevitably arrive.
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>>2832843I don't think I understand you? It benefits to cooperate with the other proletarians because the chance of becoming a part of the elite yourself are extremely low, so the establishment of a state ruled by the worker would benefit you more. And regarding to the hedonism part, collective hedonism is definitely real and is a conclusion drawn from the thought that every human has basic rights, I again do not see the contradiction here. Also, it has been a position historically defended by multiple philosophers (before you call this an authority fallacy, yes it's true, but I provided my own reasoning in addition to it)
>>2832852Trotskyist babble. Make fault attention to it. You could say that it was not "communist" in the sense of not being a classless moneyless stateless society but by that definition no communist-led country has ever been so and no society will ever be in the near future.
>>2832863It is a conclusion drawn from your previous argument. You yourself said it is impossible to know the future consequences of leaving tradition. What are these "ethos of tradition", by the way?
>>2832866I say this, problem?
>>2832874I understand why "degeneracy" is bad when it has other setbacks. But when harmless "degeneracy" is criticized just because the bible said its le bad, it is absurd.
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Since you are funny I will dress you as Alunya and let you spout your commie bs when I enslave all foids
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>>2832922Unless you would prefer being a fox
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>>2832586 (OP)You see how jews fooled boomers into normalized faggotry, abortions, migration, ethnic replacement, trannies and drugs, and you still don't see the problem?
Even if you don't want to follow the christian life, anyone can understand degeneracy affects a social structure and creates a weak and atomized community where people look out only for themselves and only think about their own pleasure, thus neglecting their duty as part of a family, tribe and nation.
This why for example George Orwell was essentially an atheist but he still followed the tchristian lifestyle and attended church, he knew it was the best way of maintaining identity and order.
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>>2832918You do not understand,
Hedonism is about PLEASURE
It is not about happyines, physical or phylosophical
Just as staling said:
>The revolution will never stopThe same goes for Hedonism
It is an endless loop of a "revolution"
Eventually reaching the maximum possible Stage
And becouse it centeres around pleasure, it would lead to fighting as Different individuals have diffrenet goals, And if you applify that by pleasure then you get situations in which people put their own pleasure over the well being of others
<Preddit spaceAdditionally Hedonism Leads to the slowing down of BirthRates (as no one has kids) and The slow down of production and work (as people put pleasure before anything else (tht's how hedonism works))
You need to have certain Cultural norms or people will turn to hedonism and Just do nothing all day
If you want to have no cultural norms but people actually doing shit then just turn to cynicism
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ALL the benefits of a welfare state, walkable cities, free healthcare, unionising ect but only for me and my people, not some imported turd worlder global southerners and faggots who are not my people and who are literally impossible to collaborate and "unite" with against the bojoowahzee because they want to destroy my nation which is what they have been sent to do.
When people unionise Jeff Bezos just sends in a bajillion Haitians
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>>2832918What is "harmless degeneracy"?
Protected sex? It should be discouraged when done before marriage, especially if it's with a stranger because promiscuity increases the chance of divorce.
Blowjobs/sodomy? This is the first step down the ladder of degeneracy, it shouldn't be normalized, it should be looked down upon.
Obviously neither should be illegal because that's impossible to enforce and limits peoples freedoms way too much but it should be generally agreed upon in society that such acts are immoral.
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>>2833001Acking yourself is goyim behavior doe. The idea istaking as many as you can first.
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>>2833001Even arguing with a wall has positive benefits like questioning your own beliefs and learning to back them up.
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>>2833001I feel like this when you show me your self drawn map.
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>>2833031Apology accepted. Just remember no matter how much some one rages at you your trans identity is valid.
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>>2832967Still, no contradiction. You are just creating your own definition of hedonism and applying it to every variant, in this cases collective hedonism. Just think of it as collective pleasure or something like that if it makes it more clear. There is absolutely 0 contradiction in "I want the best for everyone".
>>2832973You don't understand. Internationalism is not something that you choose or not, it is something you NEED. If you and your fellow workers in x country decide to unionize and after some strikes manage to increase your wage or whatever, great. But if the workers on the other side of the planet do not unionize and keep working under worse conditions then that will hurt you personally as the global capital will flow towards that part of the world because of cheaper investment, hurting your local economy. Think of it as a slave camp, in which the slave who snitches and sucks up to the guards gets the most scraps of food; then apply it globally. This is why the worker movement HAS to be worldwide, as long as capitalism is too, which at this moment it is.
>>2832974What do you mean? Marx definitely brought a heap of new ideas. Sure, maybe not as many as it is often associated to him, but he is by far the biggest contributor to socialist theory.
>>2832979These are just examples. I am sure there are many other examples of "degeneracy" that do not actually hurt at all. And the benefit of casual sex with the cost of a larger probability of divorce later in life is up to each person to judge as worth it or not.
>>2833001What makes you think I do not feel the same towards all of you?
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>>2832586 (OP)because of philosophy! You have identified what is and what is not degenerate!
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Did you read Brave New World
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>>2833056>Hedonism is a family of philosophical views that prioritize pleasure> by the desire to maximize pleasure and minimize pain. As a form of egoism, it suggests that people only help others if they expect a personal benefitIt says in the deffinition that Hedonism is about minimising pain and and maximalising pleasure
I will give it to you that indeed, You can collaborate if you think that it will lead to your pleasure or gain.
But In reality There isn't really any reason to collaborate most of the time, Why would you want to help an old lady to cross the street if it Doesn't benefit you?
Why would you help in the construction of building in your free time if someone will do it anyway?
You can see it in Communist countries, nobody wanted to work, even&oe it would theoretically benefit them
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>>2832918>It is a conclusion drawn from your previous argument. You yourself said it is impossible to know the future consequences of leaving Tradition. That's why I said that progress needs to be done carefully and with tradition in mind. There is no contradiction here unless you assume that the role Tradition plays in society is to halt progress entirely, which I see as obviously not the case.
>What are these "ethos of tradition", by the way?I see Tradition as something metaphysical, but to explain in material terms, I just mean the character and spirit of Tradition.
By the way, I know you get a lot of flak on this board, but you are able to have a proper, rational and enjoyable political discussion when you want to, and I appreciate that.
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>>2833056>>2833056>>2833061Respond foid. Do you want to prance around my castle as a cat or as a fox? More details here
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>>2833095But i thought you were gay
I mean
You said:
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I actually think that Emil is under the impression that he genuinely btfo the chuds on pol, because he has several arguments at the same time.
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>>2833102I never said gay rights are white rights. That was sneedson
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>>2833056Brown turd worlders are not "fellow workers" you retard the "guards" in your analogy lump us in together to divide the population and decrease wages for everyone and increase housing prices. Internationalism is not something that we "need" describe why we "need" internationalism and to ally ourselves with A) turd worlders who hate the native population B) Fags who cuck down to said turd worlders AND the agenda of the elites/"guards"
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>>2832635Drinking tea is a sin (D&C 89).
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>>2832586 (OP)I don't care about what you think. I am just bored abd want to stir chaos.
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Ignoring any religious aspect, certain behaviors like promiscuity are detrimental to society. Religion gives it a moral aspect as well outside of the purely practical.
>>2832607No you dont there are documented studies.
>>2832638>What is wrong with protected sexMentally ruins women/girls/foids and destroys their ability to emotionally attach to a man. Results are: high divorce rate, low fertillity rate, decrease in personal satisfaction
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>>2833001Debates are for learning, not winning
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>>2833147I meant religious in the sense of abrahamic religions. And again there are people who are above the rest who dont need religion to stop being a degenerate. Btw could you perchance linke these studies?
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>>2832789This is true.
>>2832826You fail to understand that "progress" (i am assuming you mean technology by this) is not a direct line to where we are now. If the world had taken different steps, it could have ended up in a better or worse (unlikely) position.
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>>2833109I doubt that he is Emilism. His opinions differ from Alunyaman's
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>>2833178The only way this correlated with religion, was a citation at the end. I think you meant to send this study
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>>2833132Mormonism is false
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>>2833190Opinion on greek catholicism?
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>>2833186No, what? You asked for studies that porn is harmful not anything related to religion, right? In
>>2833147 i said that you dont have to be religious to understand that porn or other typed of degeneracy is LE BAD. Because it has tangible effects on society, not only because your religion is against it.
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>>2833199Don't you know that gooning to 'p 24/7 is an integral part of any successful communist revolution?
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>>2833200marge
How did you get all that inside your name field
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>>2833199Didnt you mean that religious people dont have porn addictions? Or what was your argument against mine?
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>>2833203Thats why Lenin was NS and not actually a leftist.
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>>2833213Just like my heckin red fascism reddit talks about
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Nvm.
The bosnian is a wizard.
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>>2833218oh well that makes sense
I forgot about that useless thing
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>>2833195The Byzantine Rite is pretty cool, but it's still Catholic so it's ultimately not the True Church.
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>>2832610Isn't Brandon based on a kid?
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>>2833207Dyslexic nigga i said that you dont necessarily need to be religious to be against degeneracy.
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Baited Garibaldi award
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>>2833246Why do a double negation then? I said you dont need to be religious to accept that porn is bad, and you responded with no, this implies you argue against my position.
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>>2833240What was Goebbels thinking saying this
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Alunyafag evacuated the thread
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>>2833240Goebbelsxisters…
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>>2833255OHNONONONOO ALUNYAFOIDS, ARE WE REALLY???
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>>2833253Its historicall very complicated, I have read through huge chunks of original sources to understand it, but it basically breaks down to the fact, that they didnt know that Lenin was a jew and thatGoebbels was a staunch socialist during his youth and even to his later years.
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>>2833255Xer comrades called a dilation session on der 'cord
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>>2833251Then i am dyslexic or something