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>All of the arguments always come to an end when you ask for proof. And isn't it convenient? Isn't it just incredibly fucking convenient how the definition of "God" has frantically retreated into the shadows the moment we turned on the lights? Crazy, huh
>Look at human history! For thousands of years, your God wasn't some abstract concept of "love" or a "metaphysical prime mover." He was loud. He was physical. He was right there in your face. If the ground shook, that was God's anger. If the crops failed, that was God's judgment. If a plague swept through the village, it was because you didn't pray hard enough. God was the active, literal explanation for every single mechanism of the physical world. He was the thunder, he was the flood, he was the sun stopping in the sky.
>But then, we started looking. We actually started looking at how the world works.
>We discovered tectonic plates, and suddenly God wasn't shaking the ground; geology was. We discovered low-pressure fronts and thermodynamics, and suddenly God wasn't throwing lightning bolts; static electricity was. We discovered bacteria and viruses, and suddenly that plague wasn't a spiritual test; it was a lack of sanitation.
>And what did the faithful do? Did they look at the evidence and say, "Oh, I guess we were wrong about the magic man in the sky"? No! You just moved the goalposts! You picked them up and sprinted to the only dark corner left where science hasn't fully illuminated the room yet: the metaphysical.
>Now that we have cameras in our pockets and satellites in orbit, suddenly God doesn't part Red Seas anymore. He doesn't flood the entire planet. He doesn't send bears to maul children for making fun of a bald man. Now, he works in "mysterious ways." Now, he's a "feeling in your heart." Now, instead of literally curing the cancer, he "guides the surgeon's hand." How insulting is that to the surgeon who spent twelve years in medical school? It is the ultimate intellectual cowardice. You have stripped your God of all his power, all his agency, and all his physical presence just to keep him safe from scrutiny. You've turned an omnipotent creator into a ghost in the machine, a vague philosophical vibe, because you know-you know-that if you claimed he did anything measurable, anything testable, science would debunk it in a heartbeat.
>So don't talk to me about faith. You don't have faith in a God; you have faith in a gap. A gap that gets smaller every single day. You used to claim the whole universe; now you're hiding in the the abstract concepts of consciousness just to keep the fantasy alive. It's pathetic. Bring back the God who splits mountains, and maybe we can talk. But this watered-down, metaphysical safety blanket you've invented to dodge the burden of proof? It's a joke.
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>>All of the arguments always come to an end when you ask for proof. And isn't it convenient? Isn't it just incredibly fucking convenient how the definition of "God" has frantically retreated into the shadows the moment we turned on the lights? Crazy, huh
>>Look at human history! For thousands of years, your God wasn't some abstract concept of "love" or a "metaphysical prime mover." He was loud. He was physical. He was right there in your face. If the ground shook, that was God's anger. If the crops failed, that was God's judgment. If a plague swept through the village, it was because you didn't pray hard enough. God was the active, literal explanation for every single mechanism of the physical world. He was the thunder, he was the flood, he was the sun stopping in the sky.
>>But then, we started looking. We actually started looking at how the world works.
>>We discovered tectonic plates, and suddenly God wasn't shaking the ground; geology was. We discovered low-pressure fronts and thermodynamics, and suddenly God wasn't throwing lightning bolts; static electricity was. We discovered bacteria and viruses, and suddenly that plague wasn't a spiritual test; it was a lack of sanitation.
>>And what did the faithful do? Did they look at the evidence and say, "Oh, I guess we were wrong about the magic man in the sky"? No! You just moved the goalposts! You picked them up and sprinted to the only dark corner left where science hasn't fully illuminated the room yet: the metaphysical.
>>Now that we have cameras in our pockets and satellites in orbit, suddenly God doesn't part Red Seas anymore. He doesn't flood the entire planet. He doesn't send bears to maul children for making fun of a bald man. Now, he works in "mysterious ways." Now, he's a "feeling in your heart." Now, instead of literally curing the cancer, he "guides the surgeon's hand." How insulting is that to the surgeon who spent twelve years in medical school? It is the ultimate intellectual cowardice. You have stripped your God of all his power, all his agency, and all his physical presence just to keep him safe from scrutiny. You've turned an omnipotent creator into a ghost in the machine, a vague philosophical vibe, because you know-you know-that if you claimed he did anything measurable, anything testable, science would debunk it in a heartbeat.
>>So don't talk to me about faith. You don't have faith in a God; you have faith in a gap. A gap that gets smaller every single day. You used to claim the whole universe; now you're hiding in the the abstract concepts of consciousness just to keep the fantasy alive. It's pathetic. Bring back the God who splits mountains, and maybe we can talk. But this watered-down, metaphysical safety blanket you've invented to dodge the burden of proof? It's a joke.
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>>2773795it's still right doe