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Corded
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chudbabble
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>Corded
I'm asking cause google ai tells me they're bell beaker-like
(also because i'm genetically related to them but don't tell anyone)
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>>2693939They're both tbh. Too much R1a to be considered only bell beaker. Do not compare them to single grave culture gods tho.
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>>>2693939 (You)
>They're both tbh. Too much R1a to be considered only bell beaker. Do not compare them to single grave culture gods tho.
Single grave culture people are a yamna-corded mix thoughie thoughers albeit Though
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>>2693963No they're pure corded ware retarded nigger
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>>2693923Most anthropologists point to a more southward intrusion into the local corded ware peoples that replaced the Funnelbeakers because of the single grave burials that they used, and also because of Geneflow straight from the Catacomb culture in the Pontic steppe
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Also there's more R1b CW than there is R1A in the Northern groups so meds stop getting clitty
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>>2693990>>2693997Wtf are you talking about retard
Corded ware almost all R1a except for czechia
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>Single Grave Culture. Research into the Single Grave culture played a key role in the course of research into the whole of Corded Ware. On its basis, a typology of basic Corded Ware objects and finds was worked out. The Single Grave culture is known mainly for graves covered by barrows, in which one individual was laid in the fetal position on an eastwest axis. In addition to the barrow burial rite introduced by the Single Grave culture, other types of tombs (mainly megalithic) dating to a previous time in prehistory were still being used by this group. The grave goods in the burials became standardized. The constant elements were the battle-axe and the beaker. In addition, flint axes were placed in the graves along with flint flakes and amber objects, among which the most spectacular are disks several centimeters in diameter with a central hole. There are few visible traces of settlements, though it is thought that there was significant progress in this regard during the Single Grave era. Dwellings were being built in the form of post houses of a light construction. The basic method of subsistence was the raising of livestock (especially cattle). Pollen diagrams indicate that open areas (pastures) increased as forest was cleared. In the pollen diagrams there is no indication of an increase in grain cultivation. During the development of the Single Grave culture, the practice of making sacrifices by depositing artifacts in swamps continued from previous cultures.
>Since cultural traits such as burial mounds, cord-ornamented pottery, and battle-axes occur in both the Corded Ware and the Pit Grave (Yamnaya) cultures, some archaeologists believe that the Corded Ware peoples were immigrant descendants from Pit Grave populations in southern Russia and Ukraine.
Now, not all Corded Ware peoples carry this same cultural trait, but seeing it in the Single Grave culture could point towards an assimilation event from proto MCWC or late Catacomb
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>Wtf are you talking about retard
>Corded ware almost all R1a except for czechia
Let me find it, I think Davidski or some shit was saying that a paper was coming out that linked Single Grave to R1b-L51, which is downstream from L23 of the Pontic steppe. If I don't find it just assume that I'm wrong.
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>I've mentioned this before, but back in the autumn of 2019 I was told by a reliable source that there is a BIG Single Grave Corded Ware paper in the pipeline with samples from the Netherlands and NW Germany, and that L51 has already been found in those samples. I was even shown one of the L51 results.
>In addition, Davidski must have heard the same thing, because he mentioned it on his Eurogenes Blog.
>I don't know what happened to that paper, but obviously it has not yet appeared. Of course, a lot has happened between autumn of 2019 and now, like the Covid-19 pandemic and the Russo-Ukrainian War.
>L51 is great but not deeply satisfying. We already know L151 and even U106 were present in Corded Ware. We need P312 at least and hopefully some stuff even further downstream.
Geg
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Anyways, it isn't too farfetched too see that there might be a straight-from-steppe connection and not just Corded Ware as the steppe vector, as R1b-L51 is an ancestral line to Bell Beakers U106 and the y dna itself is found from steppe admixed peoples
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>>>2693939 (You)
>They're both tbh. Too much R1a to be considered only bell beaker. Do not compare them to single grave culture gods tho.
Anywaysnot to sidetrack and delve into another argumentYou believe that they're some corded ware & BB mix like the Swiss Corded ware?
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>>2694077No U106 is originally in pure CWC samples and then single-grave then NBA
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You're right I misspoke, I meant it was ancestral to P310 which was a common North Bell Beaker Y-Lineage
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Ripped this straight off GenArchivist by some random guy.
One tweak i would make is that P310 was already found in NE Corded Ware and in Bell Beaker contact zones, and not just found in Afanasievo, the line of migration this y dna is suggesting is absurd.
Anyways, what I'm thinking is that L51, being a descendant of L23, is a descendant of Pontic-Steppe Yamna peoples, specifically the Western Catacomb culture. Lazaridis seems to think so and so does the author of the IndoEuropean.eu website.
https://indo-european.eu/2018/08/on-the-origin-of-haplogroup-r1b-l51-in-late-repin-early-yamna-settlers/So, if there is a direct chain of culture and Y-Dna straight from the Steppe into the Single Grave Culture (L-23>L-51), which then was a vector to R1b into the BellBeaker bronze age peoples (P-310>L-151>U-106>…), it wouldn't be absurd to consider this a pontic steppe incursion.
It's not like a straight from steppe incursion is unheard of, a bunch of intermixing from the ancient aryans occured in central & north europe.