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>>2689520No you cant be certain that these things hold in general just because they worked a finite number of times, you really think like a physicist or engineer.
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>>2689546Physicist not in a derogatory way, I get your reasoning and in a physical/engineering context I would agree that this approximation is good enoguh.
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>>2689546Why?
>>2689561Are you thinking of metaphysical forces?
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>>26895781. Because the claim from you is, I observed an object falling to the ground 10000 times (due to gravity etc.), therefore without a doubt in my mind you would say the object always falls to the grund with absolute certainty.
My response would be, can you prove that the object will fall onto earth at 1000000000000 or the 9999999999999999999999999999999 time or at the nth time with absolute certainty?
You couldnt because you can only infringe upon the past instances this happened thus you cant prove it with absolute certainty.
2. I am thinking of how physical laws need to be applied to make them useful, or discover new lwas. But philosophy allows us to look at the absolute validity of the law itself.
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>>2689630We cannot have absolute certainty about anything. It is the paradox of knowledge. Your attempts to gain it are futile
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>>2689653You may think that and I thought so too but there are things which can be proven with absolute certainty.
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>>2689657What examples do you have?
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>>2689662The something that doubts. I will only give a short (probably partially incorrect version), because the actual one takes like 15 pages but it goes like this:
Suppose you cant be certain of anything, there is a chance that anything that you have ever learned. thought experienced was fake and didnt exist. You doubt everything you have ever believed, but now suppose you have disregarded all your beliefs as wrong there remains one thing which is true, the thing that doubts (or the doubting itself whatever linguistic version you prefer).
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>>2689690> there remains one thing which is true, the thing that doubtsThis assume that those memories where transferred to the same conscience, but that could also be false
This also assumed that this conscience is real, but why should we believe that?
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>>2689733were transfered*
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>>2689733There is nothing that prohibits you for doubting your own continoud existence, Descartes who talked about this even explicitly mentioned it. The self doesnt have to doubt, what is important is that there is something which doubts.
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biggest heretic that has ever walked this earth AWARD
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>>2686973he spreads false teachings such as annhilationism
he has the audacity to call himself an "Orthodox Christian" but by that he doesn't mean that he's Eastern Orthodox, he has insulted the Orthodox Church many times award
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>>2689760How do you know those doubts are real? Again you could endlessly doubt something if so desired, but humanity uses science in some form or another to determine everything. If you reject that because it cannot be give us absolute certainty, then you cannot prove anything because nothing can give us absolute certainty
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>>2689808Protestants love to call themselves lowercase-o orthodox
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>>2689809If you doubt your doubts you are doubting
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>>2689821Or something is doubting for that matter
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>>2689818what's up with that?
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>>2689821If it did not exist, it would not be a doubt, which is possible in this theory
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>>2689824That doubting thing might also not exist
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>>2689857If it did not exist you could doubt its non existence.
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>>2689865>doubting thing might also not existIsnt that a doubt my friend?
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>>2689887Maybe it is not. Maybe this is all the imagination of some lion and we don't exist, because anything can happen in theory (which is imaginary)
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>>2689908Well but doubting would still exist in that case.
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>>2689919What if we are a hologram that still exists after every living thing becomes extinct. Doubting would not exist then
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>>2689825I have no idea, I guess they interpret it as "holding true to the Bible"
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>>2689943The problem is you dont get to imagine made up scenarios (since by assumption of the theory you would have to doubt them), you can only doubt them.
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>>2689974>The problem is you dont get to imagine made up scenariosHuh? I just did that
>>2689974>you can only doubt them.I could also not doubt it. It is not necessary for existence
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>>2689998>Huh? I just did thatThis answer would be like if we played chess and you suddenly started playing checkers, I would also tell you that it is not allowed, it would be a different game.
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>>2689998But my thought experiment was literally that you start doubting anything, then say it first hand that you dont want to participate in this thought experiment, but it was literally an assumption.
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>>2690042I did not say that. I claimed that doubting is not necessary for existence. I want to continue this discussion
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>>2690053I agree doubting is not necessary for existence, but there is a certain list of priorities on has to establish to prove other things.
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>>2690063I am also tired friend it is 11:30pm in Austria. WOuld it bother you if we were to continue this discussion another time?
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>mystery meat good even tho they don't really look like either parent and this creates distance between the parents and the child and this makes mental illnesses far more common. o algo
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>>2690078Mhm, my issue is that I do not know how we could correlate our schedules in a way that we would meet at a similar time
This would be easy on any mainstream social media, but we are limited to the confines of this imageboard
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Being healthy is the most important thing, so above that I want you to sleep. If you are tired your cognition will be off
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>>2690103Sadly true, there are many things in this conversation that still need to be clarified and I am aslo unsatisfied ny how I expressed some things I have said. But this was by far one of the most interesting philosophical discussions I have ever had.
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>>2690123Do you want to connect on another platform? That is the most convenient option
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>>2690123>>2690151two gay guys about to erp on discord
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>>2690151This is an instant ban I think. A few days ago someone was perma banned for posting his discord username on pol.
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>>2690171What about Twitter?
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>>2690179I am not on twitter.
I only have discord and youtube.
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>>2690187Uhhhh, this would not work
Just go to bed and make a thread about this tomorrow. I wake up before you, so I will see it
I will also archive this thread so that we can reference it again
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>>2690203Ok I will do it when I have time.
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>>2690213Okay. Good night Rolf!
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>>2690228Good night friend!