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If you feel attacked you fall into the latter btw, since this isnt a critic on christianity.
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Identity politics
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>>2650914It feels like they somehow just want to justify their already existing beliefs and dont care about the church or christ.
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>>2650919You're finally starting to understand
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>>2650918Ham and Rice today btw
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>>2650922Kosher hopefully?
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>>2650922Eat like a goy, talk like a rabbi
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>>2650921I knew this already, but I am asking why is this so prevalent, they often dont realise themselves.
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Are you saying that conservative Christians are not conservative/nationalist or am I misunderstanding your point?
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>>2650931That's the grindset brottha
>>2650929No, but it's okay because YHWH Wasn't looking
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>>2650938i think the culture war of the US influences european politics, which is where the christian larp comes from
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>>2650942No that is not my point, but it is often the fact that they were a normie first, some became right wing and now they feel the need to somehow justify their beliefs on a deeper level.
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>>2650903 (OP)Why is this a problem? Supporting Christianity for practical reasons just sounds more reasonable.
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I became a nationalist after I became a christian, I don't think this applies to me o algo
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>>2650950It is just annoying everytime you talk to this people, because you can clearly tell that they are insincere.
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>>2650938People tend to use their worldview to justify everything they do, not the opposite, because believing in Christ and following his teachings is painstaking, which is why they prefer to cherry pick
It's easier to do something out of your own will and justify it to others than to do something that you know is right but goes against your emotions
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>>2650952This is how it used to be 100 years ago, the problem arises when you cant live with your own ideology if you think it is not justified and universalist.
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because christianity's dying
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>>2650955I know this, but why do people not realize how moronic they are when doing this?
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>>2650965Because they're lying to themselves? Nigga I feel like I'm explaining human nature to an alien
It's just a way of cope, when you know you're doing something wrong you just pretend you don't
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>>2650948I mean most people don't really have any justification for what they believe in aside from that they "feel just right!" Personally I was only enamored by things like conservativism and/or nationalism for a short time before and right after being baptized. Soon after I realized that even those things have enlightenment origins. So, now you could call me like a "regressive" I suppose and supporter of "regionalism" as I believe that 19th century nationalism wiped out many unique cultural identities in Europe
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>>2650903 (OP)It is because they were raised in postmodernist culture that ridicules everything and being serious about anything today equals being mentally challenged.
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>>2650965some of them are just in for a grift to make money out of gullible fools
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>>2650972Why are humans like this?
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>>2650977I think the same thing every day nigga
I don't think I'll ever be over it though
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>>2650973It feels like some people cant live with the fact, that their beliefs may not be universally applicable and use religion as a coping mechanism.
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>>2650982This is not only with religion, but there are many such cases, why are most humans so irrational?
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>>2650988it's not irrational behavior, but cattle mentality. most people are weak mentally, even the apparent dissident ones
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>>2650988Because they don't realize they can not be irrational
0 self awareness
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>>2650985Universals clearly do exist, so it isn't irrational to reason that certain things are universally applicable.
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>>2650989Makes me angry, I just had an debate and wanted to talk about deeper ideas, but we ended up talking about hungary for 40 minutes because he isnt able to comprehend deeper ideas.
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Nigga still mad about the thread
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>>2650993There are obviously constant truths, but I'm not sure if the way we perceive them is objective
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>>2650993Yeah I agree, there are things that apply universally, but that does not explain, why people cant cope with nihilism.
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>>2650997This is about someone else, you are not the main character lil bro.
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go down
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>>2651011write in this thread again if you are a pedophile.
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>>2651004Because nihilism is self refuting and a death-worshipping ideology. If you embrace nihilism you get wiped out, as west largely is being now.
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>>2651015Im not and i will keep replying
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>>2651017>>2651004Nobody actually embraces nihilism even if they claim to
If they did they'd kill themselves immediately
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>>2651017I lived with a nihilistic worldview for a long time and didnt have any problems to justify anything.
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>>2651025If nothing matters how do you justify that anyone should follow nihilism?
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>>2651023Depends on what you define as nihilism, nihilism as nietzsche put it is in fact very survivable.
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>>2650994deeper ideas can crack their flawed worldviews, so they choose superficiality instead
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>>2651031There is no reason for anyone to follow anything in a nihilistic worldview. The statement you made is just a play of words.
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>>2651039This is not what nietzsche said, I can prove with certainty that things exist, it is just that there might be no inherent ethical framework of the universe.
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>>2651047Well then why do you live?
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>>2651039What a lot of these people think when they say nihilism is actually just relativism. As you said a dedicated nihilist would just commit suicide.
>>2651040Do you realize that statement itself refutes nihilism. If my statement is just "wordplay" that would mean that words themselves are meaningless and therefore we wouldn't even be able to have this conversation.
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The Death of God and its consequences have already been discussed a long time ago by neechy for anybody who is actually brave enough to explore this subject. Those that are too cowardly to do so never will admit the truth to themselves
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>>2651051I am not a nihilist anymore, but I used to use the argument about the continous observer from Descartes.
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>>2650914Identity politics are le good actually. "Class" is snca and ultimately just another identity
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>>2651057It was not rhetorical, I know you're not a nihilist
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>>2651039that's a pretty simplistic of what's nihilism. there are various forms of it, as well more extreme degrees
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>>2651053No, you are making a wordplay, just like these reddit atheists are makina a word play when saying: If god is allmighty, can he create a stone he can't lift.
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>>2651066Not really, if you care about anything you're not a nihilist, you're just depressed and most likely coping about not caring about certain things
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Snca thread
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>>2651064The argumetn goes like this, suppose nothing that exists or you believe is real, you doubt anything, but there remains one thing which exists the doubting, this is what we can call the self, this is the barebone argument.
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>>2651077Nigga I studied descartes for my finals I don't want to hear it again
I'm asking you for your reason of living, not of what you consider to exist
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>>2651084Because the feeling of nonexistence would be much worse? What did you study?
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>>2651094snca
Our philosophy program was shit tbh
How would you feel that you didn't exist if you didn't exist?
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>>2651101It would feel like before my existence before earth son nothing and I would rather experience something than nothing, even if it is suffering.
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>>2651071what a childish attitude. you clearly didn't even bother to read some wikipedia articles about the subject, and is already taking extremely superficial conclusions about it
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>>2651111I somewhat agree with this
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>>2651118Alldoe I have moved far beyond this belief in my continous study of philosophy.
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It's because they need a unifying factor. They chose christianity for thus especially since it is already popular and gives validity to their views.
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>>2651124By engaging more with philosophy, I didnt know much about other things, and the things which I knew about nihilism I concluded myself, because it wasnt like these redditior who read 5 pages of Nietzsche and then suddenly turned nihilist. I became nihilistic because of certain events and experiences throuought my life.
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Christianity is incompatible with nationalism or any sort of pride because pride is a sin
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>>2651115so you should at least research things a bit before baselessly damning them, for your own sake really
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>>265114090% of modern "christians" would disagree.
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>>2651143I'm too busy exploring other views
Maybe I'll check them out later
>>2651137I was asking you what your current views are
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>>2651140christianity is, if you're really honest when analyzing it, incompatible with life itself
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>>2651151Any priest worth their salt would tell you that tbh
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>>2651148because they twist the doctrine to fit where they please
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>>2651150I believe that there are abstract things which exist outside the physical and mental realm of oneself and that these things reveal fundamental truths about the fabric of existence itself.
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>>2651155Do you think we'll ever find out about these things?
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>>2651159We can never 100% understand them since they are here and nowhere at the same time, I know this sounds mystical and esoteric but it really isnt.
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>>2651164No not really I kinda get what you're talking about
>>2651165I was just asking him for his opinion
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>>2651166I am talking about abstract things like certain concepts, itself for example justice, we use this word really lightly and everyone thinks they understand it, but trying to define it leaves unsatisfying results.
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>>2651171I don't see how concepts like justice reveal truths about the fabric of existence itself
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>>2651181Look at it like this, we get certain ideas from experiencing the world, for example how apples fall down towards earth or other physical laws, facts about other living beings, then there are facts which come from the mental, i.e your own mind like the doubting in descartes argumetn, but then there are certain ideas that come from neither justice is one such thing like truth, good, existence etc..
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>>2651197I just explained it very bad.
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No one really cares about values, we need goyim working, not fucking around
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>>2651201I think I get it
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>>2651211Stfu and get to work, goy
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>>2651153I know, that's one of the various reasons I quit christianity. there was one brazilian jew that produced online content for many years, and later he became extremely serious about following christ. end up a lunatic, hating all of his former friends and condemning life itself, before dying by denying medical treatment for his diabetes, leaving his wife and two kids. the only real contemporary christian that I've known to this day
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>>2651212Another good exapmle is the word in, you always need something else for in to mean something, like I am in school. But when asking what in really is besides a relation it gets difficult, these concepts exist in the so called platonic realm (although I am not a platonist in the old sense).
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>>2651222Well obviously you shouldn't kill yourself, I was talking about life more in the metaphorical sense, like the passions
Hope you come back out of your own will, and not like the coping fags
>>2651224Yeah yeah we give meaning to things we value and such
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>>2651164there is no way to attest with consistence the existence of this reality outside ours
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>>2651240Yes from my perspective it 100% is, I am as sure of its existence as my own existence itself.
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>>2651239he didn't kill himself, he denied treatment because "science is satanic" and "god should decide it"
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>>2651252That's the same thing
He denied treatment because he though extending your life is satanic, which is nonsense
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>>2651250that's why I said consistence, because the only evidence of its existence is anecdotes
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>>2651259well, of course to us it's nonsense, but god determinism is a valid interpretation of christianity
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>>2651263No how should I put it, you have already a presupposition towards this realm, but if you had not I could show you how with the most simple assumptions things of infinite magnitude can be proven.
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>>2651269Well yeah, but if God gave you a chance to live then he's telling you to seize it
Shame how many people can fall into heretic extremism
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>>2651272you can show them if you will. I have myself some "metaphysical" experiences
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>>2651273well, he interpreted medicine as satanic witchcraft, because pharmacy derives form the same root as pharmakeia, which is condemned in the bible
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>>2651276It would take too long and I dont feel like imposing my view on anyone.
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>>2651280It just means witchcraft, both words are similar but they don't have the same meaning
Too bad this guy killed himself from confusion
>>2651281nigga just tell us
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>>2651281it's not imposing, just exposing. but it's up to you, I'm open to discuss it without prejudices
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>>2651286The problem is I realize my beliefs in these things are so strong, like the one jew you are describing who died because god set up his faith. It wouldnt feel like a productive conversation on my part, this is not because I think your intentions are malicious or intellextualy dishonest but rather because I would start talking like a fundamental creationist christian (with the same rethoric).
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>>2651282Nigga no, it is late and I need to wake up early tomorrow.
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>>2651282he would have died soon anyway, as he took a extreme opposition to life and the world for it being currently governed by satan, which is indeed what the bible preaches. at least he was 100% honest in his views, and not some moralist in the stage and a faggot at closed doors (such many cases)
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>>2651296Good night then, sleep well nigga, this was a good thread
>>2651298He's kinda right
Not totally but there is truth to his words
>at least he was 100% honest in his views, and not some moralist in the stage and a faggot at closed doors (such many cases)Yeah, a grifter is much worse than people like this, because they know they're selling a lie
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>>2651295alright then. at least you can tell me your source, or it's just personal belief?
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>>2651309I think there is a famous philosopher who shares the same belief, but my philosophy is largely accumulated by reading a vast variety of philosophical, mathematical and physic textbooks. If the thread still exists tomorrow, I will find the philosopher and post a link here.
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>>2650903 (OP)Normies are trying to come to Christ and that's a good thing