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I think that most of us can agree that the Enlightenment was objectively bad for us, and the beginning of a lot of the ills of Modernity. But very close to that is the Renaissance. Do you think the Renaissance movements were a positive or negative for the West?

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this

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Bad becausr it forced me to study snca for high school philosophy class

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Was Neutral.

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>>2524407 (OP)
Negative
>>2524444
Who is this gentleman

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>>2524449
My facedoxx obviously

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The impulse of life is progress. There will never be a utopia on earth, we are all human. Condemned to live the curse.

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Would the renaissance still have happened if the ottomans hadn't captured constantinople and asia minor thus preventing the city's scholars from abandoning it and moving to the italian Peninsula?

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>>2524492
Who's to say. Past time and future time are but subjective constructs.

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The Renaissance was an expression of the European will surviving the black death and flourishing in beauty and greatness after cataclysm. That somebody would despise it out of a misplaced sense of religious piety is very frustrating to me.

"Celebrations of the beauty and necessity of order are a reflex of the nearness of disorder."
-Paglia in her chapter on art during the Renaissance

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>>2524492
The plague was the primary driving factor

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>>2524492
I've heard others say the same, it's definitely possible.
>>2524523
I'm definitely leaning toward liking the Renaissance but I'm still not sure.

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>>2524543
I know you've got a good head on your shoulders Minnesotan, I wouldn't accuse you of being ignorant

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>>2524553
I think I'm just upset that the Renaissance's love for European antiquity was very short lived on account of the Enlightenment's outright rejection of all tradition.

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>>2524586
I can definitely relate to that. Honestly I freaking transheart science but I don't think it must come along with a rejection of tradition, spirituality, history etc… Most major discoveries seem to have less to do with a cold habit of rationality, but rather with obsession and revelation, which seem more akin to religious experiences than calculation.

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>I hate when art has a vanishing point and figures aren't floating 2d objects
>posted from my computer that uses a Fibonacci sequence to operate

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I hate when art has a vanishing point and figures aren't floating 2d objects
posted from my computer that uses a Fibonacci sequence to operate

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>da renaissanze be LE BAD cause luke smith said so

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>>I hate when art has a vanishing point and figures aren't floating 2d objects
>>posted from my computer that uses a Fibonacci sequence to operate

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da renaissanze be LE BAD cause luke smith said so

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>>2524543
>meeting turks, orthodox
<meeting turks, German

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>>2524652
I look like that and say that

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>>2524407 (OP)
this is how normies think about it

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>>2524856
reasonable

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it was good

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>>2524856
Thats also one of my gripes with the narrative around the Renaissance, most of the time it presupposes that the Middle Ages were a "dark age" when it really wasn't

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>>2524407 (OP)
Please consult the graph

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>>2524856
>Nothing at all happened between cavemen and the fall of Rome, no great civilizational cycles, just a tiny gradual increase roughly equivalent to the period between WWII and Trump
Geg normies do think this way

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>enligtenment le bad
>let us instead retvrn to the good old days where an inbred monarch had absolute and unquestionable power over 95% of the population (said population being illiterate peasants one bad harvest away from starving to death due to famine) because god le chose him or something o algo

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enligtenment le bad
let us instead retvrn to the good old days where an inbred monarch had absolute and unquestionable power over 95% of the population (said population being illiterate peasants one bad harvest away from starving to death due to famine) because god le chose him or something o algo

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>Enlightenment le bad becuz peepo dont worship kike on a stick no moe

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>the Enlightenment was objectively bad for us
oh my nigger larp

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>>2526480
don't get me wrong there were a good few unfortunate consequences that followed with the enlightenment, but to claim that the enlightenment as a whole was a bad thing is just shortsighted declinism

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>>2526480
Unironically a better and more just system of government, all accountability was vested in a single guy without obfuscation

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>he says this while enjoying the convenience of modern technology, without a hint of irony

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It was a historical event, you can't say that it was all good or all bad.

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>Uhm have you considered that you are currently using an iphone??? Heh this invalidates any discussion about the relative pros or cons of any historical period because xhey didn't have iphones

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Uhm have you considered that you are currently using an iphone??? Heh this invalidates any discussion about the relative pros or cons of any historical period because xhey didn't have iphones

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My opinions are mixed some parts of the renaissance are bad and some are good

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The sharty logico-philosophical forum has arrived upon an answer:
Maybe

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>enlightenment… le bad!
no one said this

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The Renaissance was objectively good.
The thing that will eventually destroy the Western world is what came next - the Age of Enlightenment. It is what made the Europeans stray away from God more and more with each passing century. It singlehandedly hurt the faith and the church more than the Romans or the mudslimes ever could. The degradation started with people turning away from the teachings of our Lord and savior or changing them to fit the liberal agenda, continued with demons in human form slaughtering priests and nuns in France, Russia, Spain, and it's ending with us suffering for the sins of our ancestors.

"Foreigners who live in your land will gain more and more power, while you gradually lose yours. They will have money to lend you, but you will have none to lend them. In the end they will be your rulers. "All these disasters will come on you, and they will be with you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God and keep all the laws that he gave you. They will be the evidence of God's judgment on you and your descendants forever.

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>>2526851
your sky daddy is fake

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>>2526840
I say this.

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>your sky daddy is fake

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>>2526851
The only thing that can destroy the western world is ultimate retvrn to tradition (mammy matriach squabbling over a fetid muddy root garden, nothing changes for 10,000 years)

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>Just typing shit



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