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Unless you believe in steady state theory, you're gonna run into endless fine-tuning problems with the Big Bang theory. Namely, the low entropy starting point. Atheists have tried endlessly to propose alternative solutions to explain the "fine tuning" that we see, like the multiverse/string theory/many worlds theory, however this only multiplies the original problem and sidesteps it completely. They claim that there are an "infinite" number of unobservable universes out there that by sheer chance make this one work. It's a mathematical fallacy. Then you have the "oscillating universe theory" which is basically the universe starts, contracts and restarts again on an identical cycle. The problems with this are namely the fact that this creates an entropy paradox, due to ths second law of thermodynamics which states that entropy always increases, and unless there's an entropy drain (which would also suggest intelligent design) the next universe is gonna be colder than the last, so this models falls victim to the same problems as the steady state model. Plus the universe does not have enough matter to reverse an expansion and is physically impossible under general relativity. The last argument I hear from atheists is the anthropic fallacy that they like to throw around as a positive argument against the existence of God, which is even more pathetic than the last two! Plus given recent events, history has seemed to align more well with Christian prophecy concerning Israel than any other religion. So if that's the case, then humans have freewill and are not robots like strict determinists believe. God is timeless, we are only within his creation. Eventually,the black holes will evaporate into space and that will cause a heat death. Plain and simple. This universe was created and it's finite also (see Hawking radiation).

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Any thing that encourages you to drop your faith in God and Christ is not of this world and should be immediately excised from your consciousness.

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God is real, but not the Abrahamic bullshit version

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what if god is real but its not the religious one though

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>>2436245
this is true. God as nature and the laws of nature makes the most sense to me at least

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>>2436250
So you're basically a Deist?

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>>2436262
if you believe in god but not religion then yeah you are a desit

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>>2436272
Well I mean Deism is no more "scientific" than Christianity.

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>>2436292
dont abrahamic religions contradict the theory of evolution with the history of adam and eve and the noe arc correct me if im wrong?

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>>2436301
Darwinism is right in some regards, but it can't explain everything. See picrel. Also, the Bible uses hermaneutics or the use of allegory to reveal deeper spiritual truths. Some of these events might not have happened. I lean towards Origen on some of it, although he was a bit off in certain regards. Obviously,the world was not created in 7 consecutive earth days, as the Bible even admits that God's time works differently than ours. That's why I believe that "Young Earth" creationism is not only misinformed, but an atheist psyop.

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Just because we don't know the reason for the "fine tuning" doesn't mean we should automatically jump to the conclusion God exists, there could be something else at work we don't know about. What you're doing is using God to fill a hole in our knowledge just because.

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>>2436328
Further, look back to Genesis 1, because this is one of the many misunderstood verses in the Bible regarding creation. "God created a firmament in the midst to divide the waters from the waters". Some people use this verse to support the Flat Earth, but it can also be used to support the round earth. "Firmament" = atmosphere. "Waters" = on Earth. "Waters" = in space, because H2O is one of the most common molecules in space, since it helps prevent the universe from overheating (and contain ionic energy). Plasma is also abundant in space.

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if god real why bad thing happen

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>>2436343
Because of freewill.

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>>2436328
so you believe the arc of noah and garden of adam and eve are metaphorical or do you think they happened

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>>2436351
No. They're metaphors to describe the fall of man into temptation and the story of the ark might also just be a moral lesson.

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>>2436337
Well, it doesn't necessarily prevent the universe from "overheating" per se (the expamsion and other mechanisms do that) however I'm just using that to demonstrate my point.

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>>2436336
Okay, but you do realize that modern physics doesn't totally forbid life being engineered either, right?

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>>2436346
what about calvinism

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>>2436467
I don't believe in Calvinism. I believe in Once Saved, Always Saved (or eternal security doctrine). Once you receive the holy spirit for salvation you cannot lose it.

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>>2436328
>Entropy
what how does mutation violate the law of entropy
>Biogenesis
There's a pretty good idea on the origin of life without intervention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis but if you want a simplified explanation fundamentally early life would be little different from a highly reactive chemicals that would form polymers. Eventually the polymers would encase themselves and form a protocell, dependent on a foreign environment to reproduce. Eventually these protocells would reproduce and become true life by definition.
>Mendel's law of genetics
Modern theories of evolution don't. Also Darwin literally left a dark spot akin to Mendeleev's missing elements when it game to genetics when writing down his theory.
>Spontaneous generation
Either they meant biogenesis or the other theory which got debunked by louis pasteur.
>Law of information systems
I cannot even find good information on whether or not it exists.
>Specified complexity
Something being unlikely doesn't mean impossible.
>Irreducible complexity
Most of the given examples aren't that complex (especially the eye for some reason.)
>Statistical mathematics
… What does this have to do with evolution? Please enlighten me.
>Natural law
… Also what does this have to do with evolution?
>Beneficial Mutation
… This is basically THE BASIS of the theory of evolution, in that some mutations make an organism more likely to reproduce.
>Generic Complexity
Assuming they meant genetic complexity, nothing in that disproves the theory of evolution.
>Information theory
This does not disprove the theory of evolution. If you believe so, please distribute how.
<Reddit space
Anyways, nice gish gallop image. You should be a live debater.


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