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I've been watching some lore videos, about Warhammer, and wondered should I get into it, is it like any good, I've heard from chuddies that its newer editions are shit.

If that's true I wanna know why, I also don't know if I would actually enjoy the game, I've never actually have played a single strategy game, and I'm not willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on figures to play the game, that I don't even know if I'd like, you know?

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>>125230 (OP)
Dont bother. The community, the most important part of the hobby, is dead. The only ones left in it are tards and troons. The second most important part being the models just arent worth it. While the older sculpts are still some of the best on the market, price-wise they just arent feasible between the official price hicks and second-hand sellers(not to mention that the newer official sculpts are absolute trash).
>I wanna know why
The lore used to have sincere intent, but like the fall of Rome complexity became its biggest weakness- decades worth of stories and interconnectivity has been thrown out as the current fans and writers do not have the media literacy to understand what inspirations the universe was pulling from and why things where how they where.
At one point in time before the internet drugs and porn, Warhammer was the coolest thing you could get invested in as a young boy. It was a direct upgrade from any history books or other sci-fi settings, as it had gratuitous violence sex demons and space nazis. For as edgy and nerdy as it sounds, it was also a very social community to take part in. Before I entered highschool there was a time when all of the guys who lived close to me where invested in it to some extent. As I said, because there was nothing else extreme as Warhammer at that time and age, even people who thought D&D was retarded still found it interesting. There was also this constant scaling to local communities as with the then prices you could feasibly continue adding single models to your collection for the foreseeable future. While social media did kill Warhammer, it was also that we just grew out of it. Once you have a girlfriend a full time job and other responsibilities you just dont have the time or interest to keep painting little plastic men.
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The original draw of the lore was its intent, it wasnt dark and edgy to fill some quota, or to be 'cool' it was political allegory and caricature in a more digestible format for the youth. The game itself unlike D&D or other roleplaying games had no elements of make-believe or other abstractions, it was a 1.1 military stratagem for those who werent middle aged. Sort of like Punk music, the attached writings and stories werent meaningless fluff, but direct commentary on (then)current/historical parties and systems.
it was purposefully more rewarding if you already had previous interest and knowledge on real-world conflicts, cultures, religions,ect. However the modern writing has completely changed, There is no interest in socio-religious/political mockery and condemnation, the people just want bright colors and fantastical heroes. The modern lore and characters are just one-dimensional flanderizations of themselves. There is no deeper reason for "why" things happen now, 'there is always war and everything is dark' instead of moral-grayness every faction is just evil, because thats what the current fanbase wants. The reason I said the internet killed the fanbase is because now there is need for physical communities(which was the biggest selling point), and there is no way to gatekeep the fanbase. if some disgusting troon wants to paint genderbent futa space marines there is no way to ostracize xim. Back then you where able to enforce standards, force newcomers to respect certain boundries and engage with the world correctly, now with social media everyone is the master of their own realities, the years and understanding you have in the community is suddenly meaningless. The modern canon has been stripped down to the bare essentials because instead of actually reading any of the source material, the redditors would rather engage with the world through youtube essays and instagram memes, of which they condense and regurgitate even farther through short-form tiktoks. Do not bother trying to get into Warhammer if you are over the age of 18 or are uninterested in capeshit.

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>>125235
I wouldn’t say the community is dead, is more alive than ever however what is dead is its chuddy fanbase, they have been completely kicked out from any community spaces, however this new community will slowly kill it.

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>>125237
The community is "dead" in that the ideals have been lost and there is no forward motion. Yes it is still active but the ip and fanbase are stagnating.

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>>125235
is there anything like warhammer that is still good?

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>>125243
like is warhammer fantasy or age of sigmar good, and its just 40k thats shit, or are they all shit?

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>>125244
The larger community is gone, and the legacy writers have either died or retired. Fantasy is largely extinct as old world and Sigmar have usurped it, and the core playerbase having long since jumped ship. I hate to demoralize but unless you can find some older local dudes still running their own games there isnt much to gain from modern Warhammer, its even more fruitless if your trying to learn about/invest in it now with no prior experience.

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>>125243
Maybe the first Dawn of War game? I dont know if your into rts games but thats the only thing I can think of. While the lore is considerably dumbed down and it plays muc more "gamey"(rather than a technical stratagem), its probably the only thing you can currently pick up and play that isnt compromised. Being extremely old you should probably be able to find it for a few bucks or even pirate it, and as a video game you dont need any over-priced models or opponent players. Also the first Dawn of War is from the 2000s meaning you would get a much more authentic iteration of the world as opposed to anything currently coming out.

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>>125245
man that sucks, from the lore videos, the lore of both settings seemed really cool
>>125247
I'll check it out

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>>125352
If your still interested in the lore I can dump pdfs of older physical media(magazines, rulebooks,ect.) the rules and catalogs wouldnt be much use to you, but the artwork and stories are very gemmy

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>>125355
yeah that would be cool, honestly, I plan on getting into dnd(just to play with friends) and I want to make my own world, and reading about other fantasy and sci-fi worlds for inspiration would be cool

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>>125376
good way to go about it, but that means you should read the actual classics- Dune and Isaac Asimov

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>>125230 (OP)
>old 40k (pre-2006)
a slopjackish homage to all its inspirations including but not limited to warhammer fantasy, dune, starship troopers and ridley scott's alien with a kind of goofy-in-a-bad-way aesthetic at times that settles into something with a kino painterly quality that exchanges realism for emotion and establishes what is actually meant by the term 'grimdark' in 40k in a way that its autistic fanbase chudrages over to this day because it's not HECKIN' immersive or self-serious enough, ev&doe it's the whole reason anyone ever got seriously immersed in 40k in the first place
>40k novels
Mostly utter dogshit that only exists to expand upon the lore of space marines as pretext to sell more types of space marine models making them insufferable mary sues and defacto main characters of most 40k media including nearly all promotional materials for the game itself past a certain tipping point. The overarching aim of the novels is to make 40k something worth taking seriously in the eyes of authors and a burgeoning manchildish second-generation of the fanbase who are clearly deeply insecure about sci-fi wargames not being considered mature enough by the people who play historical wargames. It fails in this mission utterly and expands on the lore in a way that is not just additive, but completely restructures the way we view hope, heroism, vulnerability and stagnation in 40k as a whole. Because the novels are canon this also feeds into every other aspect of the how the lore affects the game.
>nuhammer
The parts of post-2006 40k that are actually good at least by the standards of people who were introduced to 40k by nuhammer, who are eternally cucked by being ignored by modern GW and hated by older fans in equal measure. It's a different aesthetic, a different lore and a different kind of cool for a different audience
>shithammer (post-primaris/2017, some argue post 5th-7th edition though I'd define this era as nuhammer, but to oldheads nuhammer is obviously also shithammer)
the downwind consequences of how the novels shaped nuhammer, pretty self-explanatory
>wokehammer (technically post-2014 but the real catalyst for woke culture becoming unavoidable to talk about was trump derangement syndrome in 2016 onwards, imo)
the current state, inherently a part of shithammer but also plays a unique role in allowing more recent GW shills to tolerate shithammer by creating a manchildish trooned out culture of toxic positivity that isn't allowed to speak ill of things that make other people happy
<reddit space
basically if you want to start 40k now you have to choose whether you like the redeemable qualities of nuhammer more or want to larp as a 40-something who's been playing since he was a teenager by buying oldhammer models off ebay.

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>>125235
I love how I can tell you're the exact same guy who said 40k required some elite level understanding of history and philosophy to be understood the last time someone made a post like this, like come on dude. The idea that 40k needs to be hyped up as so intellectual is exactly what made the novels the way they ended up, which is exactly what made the lore so overblown and the fandom so overly-serious about whether or not you've read them that makes newer fans feel pressured into reading them and resorting to summaries because a sane adolescent yet alone young adult will not ever actually fucking use that much time to read them, which is exactly why opinions about the lore started to become as important to newer fans as the canon, which is exactly why bad-faith interpretations of its political messages became a signal-flare for troons to invade the fandom and endlessly leak about the media-illiterate chuds who ruined the hobby by being le facists or whoever. It was fun, that was all it ever needed to be and you asked for something more and got less. Go back to /tg/ or ArchCast already.

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The Warhammer community is a dnb that consists of a couple of millennial irl soyjaks. The game itself gets worse with every new edition. The miniatures are extremely overpriced chinese plastic garbage that they sell at literal 1000% markup and then (You) have to paint them yourself (lmao). The 'books' are absolute trash that does not deserve to be printed on real paper, that shit reads like fucking fanfiction written by a 14 year old. Here's how the average paragraph from a Warhammer book looks like:
>John S. Marine busted through the airlock with all his might and immediately drew his boltgun. Five heretics turned around at the loud noise and witnessed John's 8 feet tall frame approach them menacingly. They started firing, but John dodged the fire due to his superior reflexes, then he jumped one of the heretics and took him as a shield. While the heretic's body was being turned into Swiss cheese, John shot three of the four heretics, blowing their heads clean off, then he tore off the head of the heretic he was holding and approached the last surviving one. The heretic got down on his knees and started praying for mercy, but John only replied with "God-Emperor will decide what to do with you; my job is to send you straight to him" before punching the heretic with his mighty fist, turning his face into mashed potatoes.
And now imagine 400 pages of that shit nonstop.

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>>125412
>Go back
If you actually read anything I wrote you would know I grew out of all this long before GW went "woke", sort of ironic when you opened this thread with the intent to write a short novella worth of complaints.
I do largely agree with you though, the setting probably wasnt as deep and profound as my pre-pubescent mind thought it was. It definitely helped that I completely missed the cartoonier 80s-90s era. While I havent kept up on how things have changed, it still left a heavy impression on me by being the only fantasy setting to not only have demons with tits- but also greenskins emblazoned with swastikas.



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