/v/ - Vidya Games

He is right knowing where he comes from. The leftis marxist midset defined art as the medium to get the masses to think like you, the overwhelming majority of art has served only as propaganda pieces.
Videogames escape this mold by teaching you the same positive values every time: skill, perseverance, learning and overcoming obstacles. Even if you make a game about how a brown communist kills all whites and make it as demoralizing as possible, the positive values remain.
Videogames, by their own nature, cannot serve as propaganda pieces, and therefore, they cannot be considered art.
Think of the games that have tried in recent memory: tlou2 was a fine game outside of its retarded psyop plot, mixtape wasnt even a game, rdr2 was a decent game outside of arthur having his tranny negroid friends.
You can separate the game from the elements that compose it, and change those elements for completely different ones, and it would still work.
If you can't teach kids to cut their dicks off through a game, then it isn't art.

Similar to how media focused on politics over storytelling, many game developers started focusing on "disproving" this rather than making a good game.

>>73058
And in any case, why would you even want the recognition of establishment cucks? That would ruin the medium, like it did, 10-15 years ago when the mainstream realized games were going under the radar, so they had to change it.

>>73033 (OP)
Wasn't this boomerfuck a pedocuck? Who cares

His statements about games get traction every now and then and every time people focus less and less on what he actually said.

He was talking about the idea of "game" in a way that it must have rules and objective. That he was talking about games in the same exact term that would also fit sports and a tabletop game. His followup article says he regretted saying that due to not playing much games, but from what he had seen it was not interesting.

He said the reversing time mechanic in Braid made it not a video game. Because it removes the rules of what makes a game.

If he saw something like Undertale, regardless of his thoughts on the story, he would say it is not a video game.

I actually understand his position well. The "issue" to me is the changes game developers made in response to what he said.

Look at the TED Talk he was responding too. Then read the two articles he made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9y6MYDSAww

https://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/video-games-can-never-be-art

https://www.rogerebert.com/roger-ebert/okay-kids-play-on-my-lawn

He unironically forever raped the minds of every goymer that's he's always brought up whenever they clitty leak decades later. Absolute rare giga.

Would soyjak.st/v/ trust the opinion of someone who looked like this?

>>73073
avg cumskin by age 47

>>73073
man thats rough what he went through

>>73033 (OP)
nigger

>>73070
>He said the reversing time mechanic in Braid made it not a video game. Because it removes the rules of what makes a game.
Is he retarded?

>>73084
He is but anyone who shits on braid is a giga by default.

>>73077
On the bright side he looks like he's always smiling :)

Every time I read it I realize he's right (in the vast majority of cases) and wrong, just not right in the way he thinks. He's wrong because video games have the capacity to be a real combination of true arts. He's right because most of the people who make video games are biased subhumans that compromise everything to force some kind of message (woke pandering) or take advantage of mouthbreathing losers (Making the girls fapbait), and most people support genuinely bad games because they have poor self-control. For example WoW was always bad. RuneScape was always an abusive grind. But games like OoT and Halo CE had honest intent behind them, and they stayed true to that intent. The real answer is that video games are almost never art.

>>73215
>fapbait
Its been 10 years of making women ugly and ganes have only got worse. Hot women are fine, bad games with hot women are still bad after all so that's not the way to explain appealing to idiots.
The rockstar style cover shooter with slow mo is a better example, it makes games easier while remaining entertaining for people who dont care about the sludge they play and are terrible at anything without auto aim.
You cannot seriously say 10 years of fat and ugly bitches have made sony games any better.
You are just as much of a goy as the ones you lambast for complaining about it if that is the limit of your reasoning. Get better at it, learn that nothing but gameplay is what makes a game good or bad, and the rest is just set dressing you enjoy more or less depending on your personal taste.
The overwhelming majority of clients just happen to be men, and men just happen to like hot women.

>>73222
You completely misunderstood everything because you're either illiterate or a porn addict.

>>73215
>The real answer is that video games are almost never art.
I absolutely agree on that. Being charitable maybe 10% at most of all games i have ever played could pass as an honest effort ti make a fantastic piece of entertaiment so well thought out and masterfully designed that i would call it art.
Some are the metal slug trilogy, miyamoto games on the nintendo 64, the mother trilogy and peak rockstar with SA and Bully.
There are more but these ones are the first that come to my mind.
Developers have no incentive to make excellent games and no incentive to make honest attempts at art. Good games don't sell for being good, addictice games do. The business model for the last 18-20 years hasn't been making the best game, just the most addictive game in which production obfuscates critical thought and tricks you into thinking you are playing kino.
Rockstar and sony are the biggest culprits on this. Take out all the production and simulation from rdr2 anf you will notice its just a clunkier version of rdr1 for example, but horse balls and deep customization tricked idiots into thinking it was so much more when in reality you just gi behind cover and shoot with slow mo like in rdr1, only with worse animations.

This whole 'are games art' thing just seems like nonsense to me.
There's slop in all media.

"Games are art" is like the next "Animation is cinema"

>>73222
4cuck goonerbabble your eyes just glazed over the second you read the word "fapbait" in his reppey

>>73223
What were you talking about then? I think the problem may be that we are in completely different worlds regarding what ganes we see and consume daily.
I wouldn't for example mention a chinese p2w with goonbait characters as they are glorified alot machines, barely games, the worst ubislop shit is above any if those. And mainstream games do the exact opposite, creating this gray area where you have ugly women, or softcore porn. No in-between.

>"Games are art" is like the next "Animation is cinema"
This shit is older than your lifetime

Ebert is a faggot, who gives a fuck?

>>73237
His first statement about games was im 2006 so yeah a year older than me

>>73233
Reading comprehension.

>>73267
Nigga I'm trying to understand you, kids insults won't change my mind, but if you explain yourself better, then I can concede you are right as long as your reasoning is convincing. I understood your points and gave you my thoughts on them, please write something of value against what you disagree.
I don't think i am wrong for saying we are in a limbo of half-naked korean gachaslop, or ugly and disgusting western creatures designed by HR. It would be better for everyone if we got to a healthier state than the visual hellscape we live in today. After all, it isn't fair at all to see an attractive woman in a videogame and say it's just goonbait.
I am not a petty retard who fights online for no reason, not right now at least.

>>73273
Read the initial post again and get it through you thick skull that not wanting fapbait doesn't mean wanting ugly characters. And no, you liking sexual things does not make it valid. Get some self-control and bring some class. This is 4reddit tier reasoning.

>>73282
Nigger to me it looks like you both are saying the exact same fucking thing

>>73282
Pleasing to the eyes isn't sexual on it's own, it just means you don't feel shame or disgust at what you consume.
There is nothing sexual of prefering good looking characters.
As I said before, bad games with goonbait designs remain bad regardless. And good games with good looking cjaracters isn't a new idea, it was the standard before 2015 or so.
I think it's a you problem.
Acting smug over this makes no sense when we reached the same conclusion with a different resoning path.
>>73284
Well pretty much, this nigga just won't admit it, who knows why.

>>73287
Why do random threads here keep becoming discussions about this? Go somewhere else please this is just derailment

>>73284
>>73289
He's talking to hear himself talk. It makes him feel important and smart. There are hundreds of people like that on 4chan and I don't know why they bother coming here when they can go back and forth with each other for hours there.

>>73077
this is what happens when you insult gamers

I would say he is right to be a contrarian but even he admitted he actually didn't know shit about gaming. You could make almost all of his points about toys and there wouldn't be much difference.
And an ages old boomers not getting why bing bing wahoo is so popular isn't anything new today and it has never been.