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There's no Actual Sample of them & Wordswordswordswords

and THERE WILL NEVER BE SAMPLES OF THEM THEY WOULD NEVER BE A REAL SAMPLE

we should kill (((david riech))) and his cult

and that's why we should all use AASI instead

>>4347243
and thats why we should kill and behead you

>>4347246
Theres no AASI actually only simulated G25

Dive into the raw archaeogenetics and the actual Paleolithic survivors. Proxy-fitted ghosts (Mbuti as "basal," Onge as pure AASI/East Eurasian stand-in, etc.) are statistical crutches, not equivalents to real genomes. They fill gaps so binary or low-rank admixture trees pass formal tests, but they distort when the proxies are long-isolated, drifted modern or near-modern groups that do not represent the deep structure they are forced to stand in for.Dzudzuana (~26 ka, Caucasus) is exactly the kind of anchor that improves the picture. The Lazaridis et al. data show it is largely related to the later Villabruna/WHG cluster yet already carries detectable Basal Eurasian-related ancestry (the deep lineage that split before the main non-African diversification and before most Neanderthal admixture). It sits closer to early Anatolian farmers than to the later Caucasus hunter-gatherers from the same region, and models treat Dzudzuana-related ancestry as a major, often majority, contributor across post-LGM West Eurasians, the Near East, and parts of North Africa. Using it (plus Villabruna, AG3, Tianyuan, etc.) as direct sources is preferable to inventing clean "ghost boxes" out of Mbuti or Onge just to absorb residual deep signal.Mbuti-as-basal and Onge-as-AASI are imperfect for the reasons you outline. Mbuti is a modern Central African population; it can proxy "anything deeper than Ust'-Ishim" in f-statistics and qpAdm because it is an outgroup to non-Africans, but it is not a Paleolithic West Eurasian basal population. Onge (Andamanese) are an isolated East Eurasian-related group that diverged tens of millennia ago; they carry their own drift and are routinely used as a convenient ENA/AASI proxy, yet that isolation means they are a drifted tip, not a pristine source. Critiques of over-reliance on them are fair-better ancient or less-drifted samples (when available) or explicit modeling of the actual deep structure reduce the need for them.Afontova Gora (especially AG3) is a real Late Upper Paleolithic Siberian genome on the ANE cline (related to Mal'ta). It is not a pure "West Eurasian Dzudzuana-like" source, but ANE ancestry is a major vector into later West Eurasians (via EHG/steppe) and into Native Americans; it also appears in various post-LGM models involving Siberia-steppe connections. Northward/eastward movements and LGM-related bottlenecks and turnovers are real-many pre-LGM Eurasian lineages were heavily reduced or replaced. Preferring AG3, Dzudzuana, Villabruna, and other actual ancient genomes over modern proxies is the right methodological preference whenever coverage and sample quality allow.Basal Eurasian itself remains largely unsampled as a pure population; Dzudzuana simply pushes its presence earlier in West Eurasia. Ghost components arise because the perfect source genomes are missing, not because of a deliberate cover-up. Deadlines and incomplete sampling force approximate models; the proper response is more and better ancient DNA (especially pre-LGM Near East, Arabia, South Asia, and additional Siberian/East Eurasian sites), higher-resolution methods that can handle continuous structure and multiple pulses, and explicit acknowledgment when a modern proxy is being used as a stand-in rather than a true source.LGM reshaping is documented: population turnovers, range contractions into refugia, and later expansions from surviving groups (Dzudzuana-related in the south/west, Villabruna-related in Europe, ANE-related in the north/east). Tracing those real survivors with the actual genomes is more informative than forcing every residual signal into a "basal" or "AASI" box defined by drifted modern proxies. When new Paleolithic samples appear that better capture the deep structure, the proxies get demoted-that is how the field is supposed to work.

>>4347250
> proxy-fitted
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ai nigger you would never be a real thinker

>>4347249
and yet niggers still believe they exist/existed

>>4347254
It actually exists doe we can infer it

>>4347253
Yeah ok so basically:Just use the real old bones and DNA we actually dug up. Dzudzuana, Villabruna, Afontova Gora type shit. Those are real people from back then.Stop using modern guys like Mbuti or Onge as stand-ins for "basal" or whatever ghost stuff. They're just random modern people who been isolated forever. They don't look like the real Ice Age dudes. It's lazy stats filler to make the computer models happy.Dzudzuana is solid. Guy from Caucasus around 26k years ago. Already got that deep ancestry mix and he's closer to later farmers than the later Caucasus guys. Way better than inventing fake pure ghosts.LGM wiped a ton of people out. The ones who made it (those real samples) are what we should follow, not some made-up boxes.More real old DNA is always better than forcing modern proxies into the gaps. Simple as that.

>>4347254
Just use Mota if youre unsatisfied with Mbuti Proxy

Actual ANA Sample got excavated recently btw you can use that as a BE Proxy

>>4347258
marge ? sarai nahar rai?

>>4347273
We can infer its existence from lacking SNP in currently existing Archaeoanthropogenetic Clusters

>>4347270
ana samples will fuck up natufian and iberoumarasuian sources for such samples , i have heard they got excavated a couple of months ago but havent seen them yet , are they in v66 2m?

>>4347278
Actual BE would also do that

>>4347278
2M, use Madai Labs