ITT we debate about who is the better leader of China. Mao Zedong or Deng Xiaoping. I welcome all Maoists, communists/socialists, Marxist-Leninists and tankies to debate me here. (I'm Dengist)Political debates about the People's Republic of China (PRC)

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Mao Zedong vs Deng Xiaoping Thread Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:04:37 №4335711 [Quote]

ITT we debate about who is the better leader of China. Mao Zedong or Deng Xiaoping. I welcome all Maoists, communists/socialists, Marxist-Leninists and tankies to debate me here. (I'm Dengist)

Political debates about the People's Republic of China (PRC) and other communist/socialist countries are also welcome here. Economic debates are also allowed.

Rules:

1. Provide snopes if asked to. (Not necessary if it's surface level knowledge)
2. No ad hominem, strawmen, whataboutism, or other logical fallacies.
3. Do not excessively shit-talk people during debates, substance is more important than noise.

# CVYZhwsQ 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:14:43 №4335743 [Quote]

mao zedong was pretty important in eradicating the bureaucracy that plagued the KMT , without him I doubt China wouldve advanced as quickly it did, however his cult of personality ultimately made any criticism of him non-existent causing disastrous consequences such as the great famine. Without Mao China we wouldnt have gotten Deng Xiaoping who undoubtedly made China the juggernaut it is today

Chud 9qZ9KjI1 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:15:26 №4335746 [Quote]

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Hu Yaobang.

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:19:32 №4335755 [Quote]

>>4335743
Well I mean Chairman Mao was important because he was what inspired China to become the global superpower it is today but by no means does that mean he was more competent or a better leader than Deng considered he turned an already struggling country into one of the poorest nations on earth. Deng Xiaoping's Singaporean inspired reforms were a genius economic strategy that could keep authoritarianism in China while having a robust economy that haven't really been seen before aside from like Lee Kuan Yew but Deng still perfected those reforms. But Mao's communism never worked out. Deng was much more consistent, smart, and otherwise it's hard to deny that his reign was less successful than Mao's considered he's literally what transformed the country.

So even if Chairman Mao's shitty economic policies are what inspired these reforms, Deng's intentions and reign were still superior than his.

Chud fJuG6zqi 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:21:59 №4335762 [Quote]

SNCA

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:23:20 №4335766 [Quote]

>>4335762
Actually I just made this thread because I'm waiting for the person that I was debating with to come back here since the previous thread got raped but I think he will eventually see this.

Anyways this isn't SNCA to a lot of people but you do you man.

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:28:20 №4335784 [Quote]

>>4335746
What about him?

2face !H6Gk3zxMu. LIG0lrtG 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:29:38 №4335787 [Quote]

Ching Chong

Chud 9qZ9KjI1 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:31:15 №4335795 [Quote]

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>>4335784
He was Chairman and then General Secretary. He doesn't get nearly enough credit for China's liberalization reforms.

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:31:17 №4335796 [Quote]

>>4335787
I'm not Chinese nigga

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:32:24 №4335800 [Quote]

>>4335795
Yeah I think he was useful and made some cool contributions to Dengist philosophy but he ended up becoming too revisionist

Chud c1WhPG0Z [VPN] 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:32:34 №4335802 [Quote]

Mao because he hated Mutts and Kikes the most

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:33:41 №4335807 [Quote]

>>4335802
Xhe hated capitalist mutts and kikes but xhe was forgiving towards the ones that were communist

Chud 9qZ9KjI1 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:34:02 №4335811 [Quote]

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>>4335800
Well, as a liberal, I don't see his revisionism as a bad thing.

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:34:58 №4335816 [Quote]

>>4335811
How do you support Hu Yaobang as a libtard xhe was pro-authoritarianism. China's state-capitalist economic model is authoritarianism to begin with.

Chud c1WhPG0Z [VPN] 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:35:02 №4335818 [Quote]

>>4335807
I said the most not fully

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:35:49 №4335823 [Quote]

>>4335818
But Deng also hated them as well?

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:36:51 №4335829 [Quote]

Hey frqgGQD are you a left-leaning or right-leaning liberal?

Chud b8qqJfNE 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:37:09 №4335831 [Quote]

Mao Zedong was better because he killed 20 million chinks hooray

Chud 9qZ9KjI1 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:38:20 №4335836 [Quote]

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>>4335816
>China's state-capitalist economic model is authoritarianism to begin with
That's why. He was ideologically best oriented for reforming the system he was facing. If you put a William Gladstone or Martin Van Buren in Maoist China, they'd be unable to accomplish anything.

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:38:37 №4335838 [Quote]

>>4335831
78 million geg. (ok this number might be exaggerated western propaganda but xhe still killed a lot of people) But xhe still supported them.

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:40:49 №4335842 [Quote]

>>4335836
Deng and Yaobang are both authoritarianDEITIES and they did disagree on some shit but they never really advocated for liberalism or western democracy

Chud 9qZ9KjI1 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:42:14 №4335848 [Quote]

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>>4335842
>>4335842
It seems you missed my point.

Chud wc94pho5 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:44:45 №4335852 [Quote]

>>4335848
replied to me twice award

anyways what is your point? all I heard from you is that Yaobang fits your political ideology slightly more and your liberal values. anyways do you want to debate? just a question: are you left-leaning or right-leaning liberal?

Chud 9qZ9KjI1 11/10/26 (Tue) 18:51:23 №4335869 [Quote]

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>>4335852
>anyways what is your point?
That Yaobang's pragmatism was well suited for reform considering the sociological conditions of China at the time.
>anyways do you want to debate?
Not especially. We can have a friendly exchange, if you wish.
>are you left-leaning or right-leaning liberal?
Depends on your definition of left and right. I'm a laissez-faire liberal, aka a radical or authentic liberal. Many would describe that as right-wing, but I'm opposed to the entrenched privileges afforded to "private" firms in state-monopoly capitalism, most especially intellectual property and limited-liability charters.