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Ideology where people believe that everything bad stems from the government, and that there should be a minimal/no government. They tend to be obsessed with the free market and think that everything being controlled by the free market would make it better.
They are also generally against policing and laws and want maximal freedoms.
Its a very retarded ideology because the free market is famously shit at being a governing body. They would put you into pods and feed you ze bugs because it would make them more money. Also, this ideology is enjoyed by some niggers because it would mean no laws and they could goon to 'p.
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It means gay rights for children and dogs or some shit
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>>4263240
>Ideology where people believe that everything bad stems from the government, and that there should be a minimal/no government. They tend to be obsessed with the free market and think that everything being controlled by the free market would make it better.>>They are also generally against policing and laws and want maximal freedoms.>>Its a very retarded ideology because the free market is famously shit at being a governing body. They would put you into pods and feed you ze bugs because it would make them more money. Also, this ideology is enjoyed by some niggers because it would mean no laws and they could goon to 'p.I was always confused by this because essentially from all I know at the moment they just seem to have the cope that anarchism is secretly an 400iq ideology that is just surpressed all the time. The thing they never talk about that messes with me is just how would it fight against things like other countries trying to invade them if there is no nation and just a bunch of small tribes where there are no laws. Also yeah 'Pooners of course would see it that way no surprise there
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liberty = personal freedom = let people enjoy things, chud!
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>>4263282"Its not hurting anyone chuddy!"
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>>4263218 (OP)libertarianism is when you get your first paycheque and realize the government took a third of it and you get really mad
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>>4263218 (OP)a desire for small government
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>>4263270Anarchists really don't make sense. They can't even seem to think that someone in all that anarchy would crown themselves king or someone would set up a democracy or something, and then take control of it all. As was done everywhere across the world, in completely un-related occasions, throughout history. Nobody has just stayed with no leader. Even the SNCA tribes will have a shaman or something. And Anarchism offers nothing against this, because there is no government or anybody to stop this person from saying they are king and getting people to support them via money or violence or other means
>>4263282yeah this is the shortened explanation
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>>4263292I've heard two things regarding this, apparentley some of these people want a monarchy or anarchy, I've also heard alot of talk from farther right talking points about monarchy and how democracy is a horrible way to enact a government at least in the modern era. I want to know if I'm just hearing faggots talking or is there some merit here
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>>4263305Essentially someone like a warlord eventually shows up and conquers everything
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>>4263307there is also the moral vs immoral, the immorals who are libertarian, want a small or no government for some very illegal reasons
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>>4263307Monarchy is mostly a larp ideology at the moment but the arguments have some merit. One I've heard is that a monarch inherently has more long-term interest in the good of a nation than a president. A president has no reason to care about the good of the nation past their term, they can take their last paycheck and leave and never return. They therefore don't have to care about long term projects because their successors who see it finished would claim all credit anyway.
Meanwhile, a monarch has to think more long term for the good of the nation and its people. He will be head of state his entire life, or at least until he abdicates, therefore he can't make short term decisions that will ruin the nation in like 8 years, because he will still be there to take the blame in 8 years. Also, the next person in charge isn't someone from the opposite party or whatever, it is generally their child. So they would again be incentivised to leave the nation in the best possible state for them. Democracies kinda suck because you won't see any projects that take longer than 4 years or whatever take place unless investing in them is a huge deal for the voterbase, and every time theres an election candidates lie out of their arse and gain support that way. A monarch cannot lie and then not deliver without repercussions, can't blame the opposite party for all issues, and will have to take responsibility for their mistakes
>>4263311Yeah this
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>>4263317The moral tends to want a small government because they believe something like power corrupts, and that the government oversteps its reach and is too controlling of personal matters. Such as not being able to speak how you want.
The immoral side tends to be more of a
>I just wanna smoke weed and goon to 'p mayne or a
<I want to rape people and kill those that disagree with metype
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ts image makes no sense why is the peashooter killing himself
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>>4263240>They tend to be obsessed with the free market and think that everything being controlled by the free market would make it better.You're thinking of ancaps. Ancaps are the ones who believe that everything should be controlled by Corporations due to recognizing the harsh truth that many regulatory actions made by the State have done nothing more than to drive up prices, stagnate technological development, and artificially create monopolies. Libertarianism is much more broader than that, as there's also the existence of Minarchists who believe in a smaller, more watchman State (similarly to America during and after the revolution).
Like WPR said, Libertarianism is centered around individualism being the highest order of political value. Ideally, this means that most Libertarians simply want the State to have less control over the free market and the people to an extent (aka stop spying on people and actually respect the laws of the land). But alas, anbraps have been the more vocal & dominate side of Libertarian discourse due to online discussions being retarded nonsense shitflinging.
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>>4263389*a class which includes
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>>4263364I do agree with them that a lot of the growth of the state was bad. A lot is being done to spy on citizens and make sure the major companies are untouched. I wouldn't say all cases of a stronger government are bad however, for example a protectionist government is generally good for its people, and businesses within the nation, and doesn't bend over for international zog companies. Some concepts that libertarians argue over however are quite stupid. You can often hear them obsessing over food regulation and such. I feel like this is a case where the government stepping in is very good, as otherwise there wouldn't even be the legal requirement to disclose what is in the product.
Ancaps are definitely the vocal minority, and are complete shitstains.
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>>4263389I will admit that I am exaggerating about how I feel regarding ancaps. I do hold a great amount of respect for some of the ancaps within the sphere of Libertarianism. However I won't lie when I say I don't see ancap being something that would change much of the current status.
But I do generally agree that the least principled ones have tarnished the movement in recent years. A good example
(((that isn't just pointing out the subverise pedophilic freak))) would be Dave Smith and the Mises Caucus falling into the pragmatic line of thinking. It generally makes Libertarians looks less principled as a result of aligning with populist Republicans.
>>4263415In my opinion, Protectionist governments sounds good on paper until they take it too far. Which they typically do. A good example would be health insurance industry & how many of the regulations passed decades ago were in result of big pharmaceutical companies looking to control the market. Or hell, I recall a more recent example where a new eye examination test threatened the bottom line of doctors. And those same doctors banded together to regulate the practice across 15 different states. The reason why was because the online exam was not only cheaper, but apparently much more accurate. To me, it simply points to the fact that it can and usually becomes a slipperly slope for needless regulation of the market. But then again, this could be a result of Democracies being a sham.
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>>4263458I never intend the join the Libertarian Party, but your contention with the Mises Caucus is well earned. In so far as there's reason for a political party to exist, it ought to be as a platform for radical agitation and political education like the Radical Caucus supported. The Mises Caucus never sought to do that. Instead, it sought to rub shoulders with MAGA Republicans not unlike how the Caucus's much hated Pragmatist Caucus rival wanted desperately to rub shoulders with Third Way Democrats and Reaganite Republicans.
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>>4263619Oh and the caucus is plagued with "Hoppean" Timmytarians like the New Hampshire Libertarian Party X formerly Twitter account.
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>>4263364ill admit it gets hard to distinguish ancaps and lolberts without talking to them in person. if i put all of my internet gimmicks aside im sure you and me and rothbard could probably agree on probably 7/10 things. i dont think out idelogies are that far off really but we all need to meme to max level and anything actually political gets turned to shit immediately. idk if i help or hurt the situation anymore
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Libertarian is when you are a tranny tradcath white supremacist, and your neighbor is a mudslime pantied sissy jeet who hates your guts but you both get along because money o algo.