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>>4249895 (OP)socialism is being kept alive by the bourgeoisie who constantly shill their retarded communism ideology, they do this, so they can 'relate' to poor/working class people
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>>4249920>socialism is being kept alive by the bourgeoisieAre you ill? Do you have brain damage?
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>It is certain that stealing nourishes courage, strength, skill, tact, in a word, all the virtues useful to a republican system and consequently to our own. Lay partiality aside, and answer me: is theft, whose effect is to distribute wealth more evenly, to be branded as a wrong in our day, under our government which aims at equality? Plainly, the answer is no.
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>>4249960no its just a truth, the modern socialist/communist are all rich people larping as poor people for the sake of internet points, you can see it with example like hasan
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>>4249974>no its just a truth, the modern socialist/communist are all rich people Really? I'm poor and I am a communist. I know lots of people who are the same as me
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>>4249977what device are you using right now to write this?
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>>4249978A windows PC
Even dalit jeets in india have PCs so you're not going to use le computer as evidence I am "rich"
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>>4249982you're not poor retard, you still got a fucking pc
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>>4249982This would be true for smartphones, even Sub Saharans have some sort of smartphone wirh internet, home desktop computers in Bharat are probably owned by less than 15% of the population.
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>>4249985you're bringing jeet from the other side as a excuse of you larping as poor, if you were poor you wouldn't be talking shit here, and probably work in the coal mine like i did during my youth
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>>4249992>and probably work in the coal mine like i did during my youthHow old are you? Btw I make $20000 a year, I am fucking poor
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>>4249992you worked in a coal mine? how was that lmfao
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>>4249996what do you expect from coal mining bro, its just shit, thank god i move to france from my previous shithole country
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>>4250000idk i didnt really expect anything i just have never done it myself. almost did earlier this year but then i moved
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>>4249994>Btw I make $20000 a year, I am fucking poorthats still way more money than the average population you retarded privileged imbecile
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>>4250003In America? No it isn't
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communism didn't work shit in my country, why should a child fucking work in some coal mine to feed themselves?
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>>4250007you're probably spending daily on uber you retarded faggot
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>>4250014I've never used uber or doordash in my entire life
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>>4250021okay? and what your job and what do you to keep money?
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>>4250028>okay? and what your job I work at a gas station
>and what do you to keep moneyHoly ESL
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>>4250030>I work at a gas stationhave you tried getting a better job?
>Holy ESLyeah cause english isn't my first language, you americunt only know english and nothing else
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>>4250030why dont you move up in the world? trades are easy to come by and make significantly better money. hell ive been failing upwards my whole life doing this shit
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>>4250038>have you tried getting a better job?Now you're trying to shame poor people? lmao
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>>4250039cause american are cuddled their whole life, and blame capitalism for their own laziness
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>>4250042>said the faggot who had free education during his youthyeah okay
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>>4250043You're so full of shit and I hope you're eaten alive by africans someday
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>>4250046i hope your country implement communism, then you'll see how dogshit it is
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When people are unfortunately frustrated by certain consequences of capitalism they tend to be more accepting towards socialism
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>>4250043capitalism literally is what lets us not be stuck in poverty. fuckin cuck mentality from socialists is insane
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Honestly the best way to limit socialism first and foremost is to tackle the shortcomings of capitalism with government intervention with regulations and such
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>>4250054no, its to behead the rich faggots who spread this parasite of an ideology, then give it back to the community
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Look man I am literally owed money where is my money where's my car it's not up for negotiation I'm here right here right now understand
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>>4250056Capitalism is far from perfect but its still a very solid ideology
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How many times do I have to tell you I am literally older sum of money and a car right now it's not something I have to exaggerate I did all the work I deserve the money and it's a fact I'm not making this up how many times do I have to say this it's going to happen on my terms physically
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>>4250058yeah there downside of capitalism, but a ideology (communism) where the state has the monopoly wtf is this shit?
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>>4250057who owes you money?
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>>4250060communists when you ask them to read a history book
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pedpophilia makeess one lefty
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>>4249895 (OP)Mostly in the word and its definition, it's catchy and people want to be seen as caring about others, but most socialists are destructive to a capitalist society, also if they were truly socialists to the core, they would be doing charitable work and donating their profits to whatever cause they deem worthy. But they are actually capitalists, most of them anyway, and they enjoy profit and keep profits for themselves.
So we see that human nature preceedes the politics that people choose.
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because it's a good idea and you'd know if you had a brain
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>>4250147you're only thinking of the nationalist kind
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>>4250148The real gaucho hates leftism.
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>>4249895 (OP)Becausr words cant die or something
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>>4250153i've changed my ways and submitted to the BNWO
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>>4250157he is truly lost to us
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>>4250161STATE CAPITALISM WON CORPORATISM WON ECONOMIC NATIONALIS WON!
>>4250157>>4250147>gaucho is black>gaucho is socialist>gaucho submits to the bnwostick to a script nigga kek how is a nigga gon submit to niggas?
is this like tutsi vs hutu shi?
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>>4250165>how is a nigga gon submit to niggas?this may come as a shock but the African slave trade started in africa
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>>4250165because i am SPIRITUALLY black
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socialism as a system would be keyed if only implemented as a transactory way to get rid of the current borgiosie system in turn for the development of a new corporatist sytem ruled by a new economic social class
a reactionary socialism if you will, nationalize the private property of those currently ruling in this status quo to eventualy re-privatize and give to the hands of our compatriots and nationals
besides many reactionaries did call themselves socialists even if not under a strict heterodoxical marxist economicaly socialist lense
napoleon the third, mettersninch, benjamin disraeli, bismarck
all socialists
prussian socialism, national socialism
even fascism is somewhat a form of "socialism"
true i dislike socialism but as a system there are compatible ways of doing it
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>>4250169yea but he is larping as a superior kang why would he submit to bbc if he is a pure blooded kang?
>>4250170meds now my soul is 1000% charrua gauderio nativo do rincao
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>>4250175Disraeli was a shylock.
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>>4250181i am white but i feel my spirit is sub-Saharan honestly, so i can still submit to the bnwo because im not fully black
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>In the reign of Edward VI (1547-1553), the Church of England underwent an extensive theological reformation. Justification by faith was made a central teaching.[25] Government-sanctioned iconoclasm led to the destruction of images and relics. Stained glass, shrines, statues, and roods were defaced or destroyed. Church walls were whitewashed and covered with biblical texts condemning idolatry.[26] The most significant reform in Edward's reign was the adoption of an English liturgy to replace the old Latin rites.[27] Written by the Protestant reformer archbishop Thomas Cranmer, the 1549 Book of Common Prayer implicitly taught justification by faith,[28] and rejected the Catholic doctrines of transubstantiation and the sacrifice of the Mass.[29] This was followed by a greatly revised 1552 Book of Common Prayer, which propounded a Reformed view of the Lord's Supper (cf. Lord's Supper in Reformed theology).[30] Along with The Book of Common Prayer, The Thirty-nine Articles and The Books of Homilies, assembled through the efforts of the reformer Thomas Cranmer, became the basis of Anglican doctrine after the English Reformation.[3]
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>>4250014>>4250028this attitude is why Zoomers on both sides of the social political spectrum are abandoning capitalism in droves, old retarded fucks like you shutting your eyes and refusing to look at reality when the working White man is getting priced out of home from immigrant scabs and greedy corporations
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>>4250049I hope they do too because at least niggers like you would die in poverty along with us
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>>4250313capitalism was made to oppress the global south, especially Africa
recently i've come into touch with my true self as i welcomed black culture into my heart, so as a spiritually black ethnically white Brazilian i think socialism is naturally preferable to people like me rather than oppressor ideologies
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>>4250335>words words wordsif you're going to falseflag guacho at least say you're a valid anbrap xixter while doing it
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>>4250352of course the oppressor can't accept the rejection of his ideology
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>>4249895 (OP)The most concrete answer is that people need anything to fill the moral void that Christianity left them personally socially and societally
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>>4250335Why dont you guys all go back to your shit holes and stop obsessing over white people. Malcom x was the only respectable black leader and he wanted a black ethnostate away from whites
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>>4250492its bait ignore it
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>>4250495I know but still a lot of people think like that and still want to live in the west like leeches
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>>4250521You need fiction for a functional long term society and culture. People are not rational so they need both a fiction to follow and a moral enforcement arm to be materially incentivized to keep following. Kant believing that morality is rational is flawed as people are not rational and are akin to insectoids
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>>4250479But what if you are a Socialist Christian with MAGA and Jacobin aesthetics?
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>>4250536More then likely a irreligious person in practice while saying colorful words. I'm basically the same and I can handle the inherent meaninglessness of the universe when looked through a objective lens but most people cannot handle this and will give into hedonism nihilism and suicide when you say all they are is carbon that was heated up 10 billion years ago. Atheism is inherently impractical which is geggy
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>>4250532Bonobo.
>>4250533>Kant believing that morality is rational is flawed as people are not rational and are akin to insectoidsObjective ethics aren't contingent on all people being cognizant enough to apply them consistently.
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>>4250580Then it's not practical to introduce socially and is merely a interesting opinion. If Kant was in the know he would've said that our biology is flawed so the nurture of any worldview social education or philosophy cannot be executed accordingly and even if it is will slowly degrade and devolve into nothing over time. We must first fix our biology first through genetic engineering then introduce social education which is also flawed as we would be flawed people trying to use technology to fix ourselves which would almost certainly be used for evil
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>>4250637We don't need simply an improvement on the human form. We need an entirely new species completely anathema to current humanity. Perfection in flesh. Maybe it was practical during kants day but that is the flaw in his belief of morality is objective and born out of rational minds. People are not rational and will not care. You can study the social workings of ants or bees but it won't fix the inherent issues with any system. Maybe if could help one day build the moral foundations of a future better framework that could be introduced socially and enforced socially but I doubt that with current human biology. Also the word neo has been poisoned by neo liberals and neo cons geg
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>>4250686Also to add to this the power of Christianity died and even the secular humanist ideals are also losing social power to add further credibility to my point
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>>4250686Again, you are mistaken in believing natural laws require perfect human beings. Natural laws are codified precisely because people opt to ignore them. They are the standard human behaviors ought to be held to, not human behavior in of itself.
>Also to add to this the power of Christianity died and even the secular humanist ideals are also losing social power to add further credibility to my pointThese camps' falling influence is because of a longstanding positivist assault on the social sciences.
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>>4250748Ok so your arguing what we ought to do and the theory of it? Sure I can agree that their is objective morality but what's the point of it if we don't actually have means or ways to ensure they stick? If people only follow objective morality or hell ANY moral system for but a small few generations before falling into hedonism what's the point other then personal fulfillment? The thing all philosophers should be fighting is the flawed nature of our biology and not just the nurture. Maybe they couldn't imagine it in the past but we are on the cusp of fixing the only issue between us and true greatness. That maybe in a perfect world we can either try to end the dialectical cycle of history to find something that works or stay In our imperfection that is us. That is the only binary I see worth arguing about and arguing about forever. Imperfection vs perfection. We either keep on our naturally path of struggle sobriety decay and fall or we try to end the recursive loop. Also I agree on the positivist point but I think that sort of thinking only got popular because kings raped Christianity as a means to justify their rule
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>>4250812>The thing all philosophers should be fighting is the flawed nature of our biology and not just the nurture.I wholeheartedly agree.
>That maybe in a perfect world we can either try to end the dialectical cycle of history to find something that works or stay In our imperfection that is us. That is the only binary I see worth arguing about and arguing about forever. Imperfection vs perfection.I think we must first ascertain the specific conditions holding back human virtue, conscience, and reason and then attempt to systematically annihilate what can be annihilated and mitigate what can't.
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>>4250881In the modern day for the last 100 years alone. Urbanism. Over reliance on technology. And neo liberalism. Step 1 is to completely overthrow the current society as it is the most vile system that is designed to kill hope kill change and ensure the status quo with not even competent leaders at the top. I would take any system as it would be better equipped for this type of discussion. Even communism or fascism weren't nearly as vile to attack hope and change itself like neo liberalism is