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Imagine your spouse killing your kids then have every mouthbreather debate it online I hate mutts and niggers and trannies and kikes
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>>3918542Woman killed three of her children jumped out of a window leaving her permanently paralyzed and claims she heard a mens voice.
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Now woman all over the world claim support and say that they are one thought away of also doing it. There was a massive parade outside the court with thousands of woman.
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She should get the death penalty, what is the point of giving a mass murderer mental health support?
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I want to share something interesting with you nusois, and I want your honest opinion to seriously discuss this.
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I just recently finished Knut Hamsuns Growth of the soil, a book on the pols guide to right wing literature and I want to share an excerpt.
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The context is that a woman murdered her newborn child and its currently in court and another woman is defending her action with a speech.
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>"We women," said Fru Heyerdahl, "we are an unfortunate and oppressed moiety of humanity. It is the men who make the laws, and we women have not a word to say in the matter. But can any man put himself in the position of a woman in childbirth? Has he ever felt the dread of it, ever known the terrible pangs, ever cried aloud in the anguish of that hour?
"In the present instance, it is a servant-girl who has borne the child. A girl, unmarried, and consequently trying all through the critical time to hide her condition. And why must she seek to hide it? Because of society. Society despises the unmarried woman who bears a child. Not only does society offer her no protection, but it persecutes her, pursues her with contempt and disgrace. Atrocious! No human creature with any heart at all could help feeling indignant at such a state of things. Not only is the girl to bring a child into the world, a thing in itself surely hard enough, but she is to be treated as a criminal for that very fact. I will venture to say that it was well for the unfortunate girl now accused before the court that her child was born by accident when she fell into the water, and drowned. Well for herself and for the child. As long as society maintains its present attitude, an unmarried mother should be counted guiltless even if she does kill her child." (1/5)
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Here a slight murmur was heard from the presiding justice.
"Or at any rate, her punishment should be merely nominal," said Fru Heyerdahl. "We are all agreed, of course," she went on, "that infant life should be preserved, but is that to mean that no law of simple humanity is to apply to the unfortunate mother? Think, consider what she has been through during all the period of pregnancy, what suffering she has endured in striving to hide her condition, and all the time never knowing where to turn for herself and the child when it comes. No man can imagine it," said she. "The child is at least killed in kindness. The mother tries to save herself and the child she loves from the misery of its life. The shame is more than she can bear, and so the plan gradually forms itself in her mind, to put the child out of the way. The birth takes place in secret, and the mother is for four-and-twenty hours in such a delirious state that at the moment of killing the child she is simply not responsible for her actions. Practically speaking, she has not herself committed the act at all, being out of her senses at the time. With every bone in her body aching still after her delivery, she has to take the little creature's life and hide away the body-think what an effort of will is demanded here! Naturally, we all wish all children to live; we are distressed at the thought that any should be exterminated in such a way. But it is the fault of society that it is so; the fault of a hopeless, merciless, scandalmongering, mischievous, and evil-minded society, ever on the watch to crush an unmarried mother by every means in its power! (2/5)
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"But-even after such treatment at the hands of society, the persecuted mother can rise up again. It often happens that these girls, after one false step of the sort, are led by that very fact to develop their best and noblest qualities. Let the court inquire of the superintendents at refuge homes, where unmarried mothers and their children are received, if this is not the case. And experience has shown that it is just such girls who have-whom society has forced to kill their own children, that make the best nurses. Surely that was a matter for any and all to think seriously about? (3/5)
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"Then there is another side of the question. Why is the man to go free? The mother found guilty of infanticide is thrust into prison and tortured, but the father, the seducer, he is never touched. Yet being as he is the cause of the child's existence, he is a party to the crime; his share in it, indeed, is greater than the mother's; had it not been for him, there would have been no crime. Then why should he be acquitted? Because the laws are made by men. There is the answer. The enormity of such man-made laws cries of itself to Heaven for intervention. And there can be no help for us women till we are allowed a say in the elections, and in the making of laws, ourselves.
"But," said Fru Heyerdahl, "if this is the terrible fate that is meted out to the guilty-or, let us say, the more clearly guilty-unmarried mother who has killed her child, what of the innocent one who is merely suspected of the crime, and has not committed it? What reparation does society offer to her? None at all! I can testify that I know the girl here accused; have known her since she was a child; she has been in my service, and her father is my husband's assistant. We women venture to think and feel directly in opposition to men's accusations and persecution; we dare to have our own opinion. The girl there has been arrested, deprived of her liberty, on suspicion of having in the first place concealed the birth of a child, and further of having killed the child so born. I have no doubt in my own mind that she is not guilty of either-the court will itself arrive at this self-evident conclusion. Concealment of birth-the child was born in the middle of the day. True, the mother is alone at the time-but who could have been with her in any case? The place is far away in the wilds, the only living soul within reach is a man-how could she send for a man at such a moment? Any woman will tell you it is impossible-not to be thought of. And then-it is alleged that she must have killed the child after. But the child was born in the water-the mother falls down in an icy stream, and the child is born. What was she doing by the water? She is a servant-girl, a slave, that is to say, and has her daily work to do; she is going to fetch juniper twigs for cleaning. And crossing the stream, she slips and falls in. And there she lies; the child is born, and is drowned in the water."
Fru Heyerdahl stopped. She could see from the look of the court and the spectators that she had spoken wonderfully well; there was a great silence in the place, only Barbro sat dabbing her eyes now and again for sheer emotion. And Fru Heyerdahl closed with these words: "We women have some heart, some feeling. I have left my own children in the care of strangers to travel all this way and appear as a witness on behalf of the unfortunate girl sitting there. Men's laws cannot prevent women from thinking; and I think this, that the girl there has been punished sufficiently for no crime. Acquit her, let her go free, and I will take charge of her myself. She will make the best nurse I have ever had."
And Fru Heyerdahl stepped down. (4/4)
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What do you think?
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>>3918696I agree, in the book she didn't receive any punishment because all witnesses lied through their teeth, evendoe she also killed another child. But it is really interesting that I just read it and now this topic has become reality.
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>>3918671Yeah she should go free, there's no actual evidence to say that she killed her child
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Child infanticide happens two times directly in the book.
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>>3918707Well from the omniscient perspective of the reader we know that she did it and she admitted to having killed another child to another person thus making it seem reasonable for them to have killed this one also. She got off scot free because the guy helped her cover it up.
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>>3918712With helped her I mean that he was told that the child died during child birth and he buried it somewhere and was suspicious.
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Do you nusois think that this happened due to internal factors or external factors? (I mean the killing irl)
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>>3918696Maybe I misread it the first time, you are not against the killing but rather against punishing the woman for getting pregnant in the first place?
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>>3918737I agree, alas I was also thinking about this. In a natural society living more in tune with reality all of these behaviours we see with the support of the child murderer wouldn't be happening and quite the contrary would get you sent into a psych ward. But sadly we live in an age where good and evil are inverted.
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>>3918737Very cool pictures btw.
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If you don't mind I will save them for later usage.
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>>3918769The whole point is that these people do not live in the village and are "living" outside of society. Also, why do you think the father should get punished that harshly?
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>>3918722internal obviously. the leftist bleating that having a bad life inevitably mind controls you into helplessly acting out as a destroyer is the ultimate clownwashing of justice. to overcome the incredible instincts a woman has to protect her child requires substantial premeditation and psychological preparation. she was a whore who murdered her children so she wouldn't be bullied, simple as.
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>>3918786Because fornication undermines societal stability and creates bastards that will grow up to be fatherless criminals, lumpens, and unnutze esser so they need to be removed from our society so they cant pollute it with their seed
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>>3918869Yeah but I also think it has to be partly external since you have to be severely mentally brainwashed and going against your nature to kill a child.
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>>3918877So you think the killing of the child was a good thing? Actually this was also a point one of the judges made, that all bastards are useless people who will live miserable lives and a fellow named Geissler answered that Erasmus and DaVinci were bastards (which is actually true).
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>>3918878that's true for people who already have the nature of not being a piece of shit. this was a rebellious whore who lived her entire life being told that fornication would ruin her life and the lives of the people around her and she did it anyways. she planned the murder out and drowned her child the literal instant it was physically possible. then she did it again. this was someone with true spite against society and the sanctity of life.
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>>3918886>based and DNB pillWhile I wouldn't support killing a baby it shouldn't have been concieved.
For instance just because a few based black men exist means we shouldn't invite a bunch of niggers in and encourage them to propagate because they are statically inclined like bastards to be untermensch that undermine the blood
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>>3918917Are we talking about the real life case or the one in the book. In the book it is heavily implied that the city dwelling in Bergen made her that way, adopting the hedonism of the mentally sick people there etc. I think in the book all in all it was the fault of the parents for sending her to that deranged place in the first place, although they didn't know any better. If a young mind is sourrounded by degeneracy it will eventually be poisoned by it.
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>>3918925I agree, but the intention of the guy in the book was for her to have the child so she has to stay and marry her. Since this plays out in the 1850s.
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>>3918886just because a bastard's life is going to probably suck doesn't mean it's moral in any way to euthanize them for that sole fact. birthing a bastard is terrible but to just yeet an innocent soul into a trash can is absolutely demonic. doing this to over a billion innocent souls in under a century has spiritually fucked humanity over in ways we will likely not recover from before we drive ourselves extinct.
>>3918936this is true, but influence isn't mind control. I'm sure she begged to go there and indulge in all the bullshit she got up to
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>>3918925Isn't that because of minorities and jewish media brainwashing adult men to not be responsible?
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>>3918960I completely agree that killing a child is very evil always. I just remember that I read somwhere that half of white gen z was aborted, and at this point abortion will just increase due to rampant degeneracy pushed by these evil forces.
Your second point is also true she looked forward to go to the big city. Interestingly, all mentions of cities in the book are completely negative and always in conotation that something changed for worse within these city dwellers coming back to the land. For example there is this upright guy Eleseus, who was a normal child on the farm helping his father, but after he is sent to the city for an office job apprentenceship, he changes for the worse becoming hedonistic, never satisfied with his life and always living from day to day never planning the future. Leading to his ultimate demise.