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I dare you to actually debunk paganism
My arguments
>Ancestral Religion
>Paganism believes in a moral system that doesn't turn the other cheek and is in line with right wing values
>Paganism is not a foreign religion which allows the ruling of malignant desert spirits
>Paganism has much more indepth mythology about creation and the Gods
>Paganism respects nature and the environment
>All the things chud's love about European history are pagan in nature: imperialism, creativity etc.
My refutation of expected arguments:
>it's a larp
<in a 100 years when christianity inevitably dies out in europe the newest generation will see anyone trying to be christian as larp. so forget about larp.
>paygay
<first of all the idea that odin hung himself (which was for knowledge not tranny delusion) could be attacked if Christ did not literally allow himself to be crucified. (seen as the most humiliating punishment that was only practiced on foreigners!). Second of all, yes, a lot of pagans are leftist. but however so are a lot of christian movements. you can say christian movements did not used to be like this, neither did classical paganism, at least northern paganism.
>christianity is european history
<im not going to pretend that christianity isnt european history. however, most acts of european greatness are little to do with christianity. this is a simple fact as a christian, the ten commandments. you can say that thou shalt not kill means only outside of war, but no priest would ever encourage any form of violence even in war. yes, old popes did, usually ordering europeans to be killed. to me, the whole institution of the pope is effectively someone who can override the bible for when shit needs to be done.
>paganism is a jewish psyop to destroy the white race, we were fine as christians before and had white consciousness and birthrates.
<i agree with the latter. however, there is definitely no going back, once the momentum is gone it is gone. the christian european synthesis was perfectly crafted without legal leglislation, but now in such a dire moment, we need doctrines that put our people and race first, and perhaps allow certain measures to get there. i think every christian in this thread would agree we cannot turn the cheek any longer.
>Christianity is a white religion
<all the demographics say otherwise. if we want something that feels truly ours, we need something that is outright truly ours.
please, let's have a civil serious discussion. i spent time writing this to engage with the christians on this board so i would appreciate no shitflinging
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Nigger
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>>3913341tell yahweh to get off your back for a minute and let's discuss
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Giga
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>>3913368this is only for people who already believe in the supernatural, which most chuds do.
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>>3913368I saw the clouds break in the shape of the black sun
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your gods are penis sticks. Done,its debunked.
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>>3913375see, you won't actually engage
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>>3913378this post is not aimed for you, move along brownie
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>>3913383I'm white doe, and it's a valid observation
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>>3913394whether it is or not it is not relevant to this thread
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>>3913401stop trying to act like some cultured person who is above all of us rothbard, my arguments are fairly simple and are listed in the top of the thread.
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I don't care what you believe in if it doesn't affect me
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you know what fuck you rothbard im fed up with your semantics and every one else on this brown website
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>>3913325 (OP)that it only works in a society that promotes survival and not a society that needs stablity and moral cohesion. paganism was used by people to get better weather or just have better things in life. it was more about what humans can get out of it materially then any virtue or morality. monotheism gave us social culturally and moral cohesion
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not of that makes it true lol
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so vibes = truth?
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>>3913467truth is mostly based on monopoly on violence and who seems in power. we cannot know the full truth of anything. just the surface of it
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Im British, and the two times Pagans migrated here they colonised and destroyed our native people. just like the Muslims are doing now. difference is, those pagans converted to Christianity and pagans died. the celtic, anglo, and scandinavian pagans all converted to Christianity because its the truth. paganism died. Christianity is the biggest and most influential religion ever.
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>>3913478yes we can, we use evidence, reasoning and logic to determine the truth. I will defend the Christian worldview with that.
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>>3913485god is beyond human logic and understanding. science is understanding gods material world that he gave us. and even science in a atheist pov is also just understanding the material world we see and not the underlying purpose/meaning of the universe
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>>3913493yes but many monks of the past followed this same idea. that science was a tool to understand and get closer to god. and i follow that. science isnt a worldview its a tool
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"God is beyond human logic" yes but that doesnt mean we cant understand that he exists, it doesnt mean we cant have an UNDERSTANDING of him. it just means we cant fully comprehend his nature. Gods established his religion, and we can certainly understand it.
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>>3913496this is my point we cant understand him in totality
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>>3913496i hate atheists because they think a god that is above us and the universe can be fully explained away and just because we think their are contradictions with gods nature doesnt change that fact that he is god
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>>3913500that doesnt mean we cant understand which religion is true
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also colonialism and exploration was driven by Christianity lol
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>>3913550Christianity is the right one as it provides the most social stablity and moral cohesion
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if u cant give an argument to why paganism is true, not just "based" or perhaps give an argument against Christianity, this is pointless
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>>3913551mute point as that can be said about all human organized systems. doesnt change the outcomes nor theory of said systems
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>>3913560paganism isnt true because it doesnt give nearly as much social stablity or moral stablity as monotheistic religions
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>>3913561the original post says this bro "All the things chud's love about European history are pagan in nature: imperialism, creativity etc."
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>>3913565ik paganism isnt true lol, im asking OP
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>>3913568no these are much older concepts that have existed throughout all socities. they are ideas that paganism merely made virtures of but it doesnt mean they were the sole arbiter and you have no way to debunk that
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This idiot "debunkpaganismchud" tells us to be serious as he spent a long time writing this coal but responds to no one
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>>3913570well obviously this thread is bait and op has no interest in it
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>>3913577oh sorry man i just assume everyone im talking to is my enemy in the thread
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I genuinely hold respect paganism and I see a white pagan as a brother more than a black christian. My issue with paganism is that there is no basis on how to practice these religions. Many of the rituals and holidays are gone, many deities and specific details of them are gone, regardless of what type of paganism it is. How can you practice something you barely have an idea how to. This is why there are modern day neopagans like jacob toddson who says that paganism is whatever you want it to be and you can do whatever feels good. That feels really liberal in a way to do what feels good and not what feels bad. Paganism in itself today is so open and broad that some soyboy on reddit could genuinely start worshiping Kratos. To be fair this doesn't apply to all pagans but It does apply to a good number of pagans. I have more criticism but I guess it is more of pagans than paganism itself.
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>>3913582modern day paganism is like yoga or drugs to the average normie. its a artifical womb from which they impregnate any idea moral or virtue into regardless of what the origin or actual thing they say they support is about
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lol the "african christian" scapegoat is funny because people presume all africans are like the ones in america, thing is sub sahara africa has been christian for around 100 years, obviously it will take a while for Christianity to truly settle into their system.
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>>3913590ethiopia mogs btw
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>>3913582white pagans have done WAY more damage to christian europe historically than blacks. just a fact.
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>>3913592Thats one exception, also Ethiopa is only like 65% Christian
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>>3913595ethiopa was the only country that had the best chance to make africa important but they failed
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>>3913586Just because I'm christian doesn't mean I agree with everything christians did. My religion isn't exempt from criticism either
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>>3913607it kinda is considering what good morality is today is based on christian doctrine. without christianity we wouldnt even have a understanding of what is good or bad geg
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>>3913594Conflicts happen but look at what's happening today. The men who have raped those 200k+ women in UK, which good number of them were Christian don't look that pagan to me
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>>3913617Yes Christianity formed everything the west is, until the recent liberal degeneracy.
we believe God IS good, God himself IS Love, IS goodness, not merely a possesion. This means morality isnt just whatever God says it is, but it is God himself.
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>>3913622the report said 99% were Muslim lol
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97% i think.
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the paki rapists literally insulted Jesus and Christianity when raping the girls btw
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>>3913637i agree 100 percent. atheists have to cope with subjective morality to justify their disgusting immoral behavior
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>>3913626Yeah and you were justified in slaughtering them but I'm saying today, a pagan is much less likely to hurt me than a shiskin. How many white Christians In the West die from pagans and how many die and will die from immigrants
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>>3913646Right on, subjective morality just means no morality btw.
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>>3913653Yeah because the immigrants are Muslims. Muslims are told to enslave Christians in Quran 4:24
IK a pagan is less likely to kill u, thats because pagans make up less than 1% of europe lol
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>>3913662its based in the idea that if your strong enough or smart enough you can avoid punishment. they want to believe that when they die they wont feel anything. that their horrid actions had no impact on their soul. that jail or mans laws can be manipulated and subverted. but they dont understand is that every evil action puts a black mark on their soul and they will be punished accordingly by god. the greatest lie the devil ever pulled was convincing people you can be as evil as him
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>>3913676Quite true. We must survive this time of darkness
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>>3913680until all humans are dead the light always stands. the world is brighter then it once was. jesus made sure of that before him the prince of darkness was the closest he was to snuffing out all good and all light in the world but with jesus christ he poked stars into that great dark sky so hope and goodness may flourish forever
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another thing is, the only reason old paganism kind of appeals to whites rn is because of our unique catastrophic problem. the elites have forced replacement, liberalism, degeneracy on us all at once. 200 years ago, the appeal of paganism would not have existed at all
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>Debunk pagnism
its cringe
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I mean I don't have to debunk a rational take so long as it is rational. I've made 1 anti-pagan thread 1 time and it baited nobody despite me trying to make rational arguments. Real pagans* are not very common irl, more so online, but even here not too common. As a Christian I am not drawn to stop people from practicing or preaching something if they do so constructively, but I find that their side is often times destructive in interpreting mine.
Paganism exists beyond europe, and people had tales and stories that at some point in time evolved into religious teaching.
So long as you believe in self improvement, Idc.
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>>3913325 (OP)On your last note on demography, you go back to demography again despite me showing that the Christian God has divided the races, given them their own lands, and hates the tower of Babel and "oneness". Nothing in nature is the same, throw that argument out of the window.
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>>3913771And on OP's last note, it sounds like he wants to be chosen. Since he wants something that is explicitly his, despite him already having his own skin and creed.
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holy long read this is gon take a while
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>>3913796He's a pagan? I tought he was an atheist
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>>3913325 (OP)Pretty sure I debunked this too.
>"Paganism believes in a moral system that doesn't turn the other cheek"Correct, crime bares consequences and Christian legal networks punish criminals
You then also say "Paganism is not a foreign religion which allows the ruling of malignant desert spirits"
While at the end saying
>"please, let's have a civil serious discussion"So basically you've always ignored everything I said and bait but never engage me genuinely
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>>3913325 (OP)worshipping a dick and ball statue or bob and vagene statue is gay and lame
odin, wotan, perun are dead. their practices are too. (poland, russia hadn't had written alphabets until their Christianization)
>the christian european synthesis was perfectly crafted without legal leglislation, but now in such a dire moment, we need doctrines that put our people and race first, and perhaps allow certain measures to get there. i think every christian in this thread would agree we cannot turn the cheek any longer.<if every christian had a question and opened a naves bible or KJV study bible pre-1900 for guidance things certainly would go back to the way they should be