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Yesterday I found out one of my college classmates became an Orthodox Christian

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He's Becoming Based and Christpilled

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Bro…

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cute

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Good on him

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In 2026 we have Hispanic Orthodox Christians

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>>3511758
ok bro

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>>3511758
is that your fetish?

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Btw he found Orthodoxy online

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>>3511759
It's based, christpilled even.

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>>3511764
ask for invite to his discord

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>>3511758
Minnorth, do you think non-White Christians should be encouraged to ignore the "be fruitful and multiple" stuff?

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>>3511783
he does, he admitted being racist was anti christian in an argument I had with him

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>>3511788
I mean he doesnt*

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>>3511764
in all reality he's going to give up the faith in 5-10 years because it wasn't "epically christpilled and orthosigma deus vult save the west" for him

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>>3511788
a catechumen still has much to learn.

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>>3511783
Well they have to follow it since they are Christian

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>>3511868
>a christcuck finally admitting his religion is retarded and dead
wow this is actually surprising

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>>3511758
What has orthodoxy done for you minnorth?

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>>3511878
made him realize racism is wrong

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>>3511881
Great but you're not minnorth

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>>3511877
Retarded & Dead? No I just mean that Racism is wholely compatible with the Orthodox Christian worldview, which is why the whole original form of christianity is universal but not unifying. It started off as a tribal religion to be sent out into the world for a reason.

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Hence why I linked the New St. John Chrystostom, St. Nikolaj Velimirovic.

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>>3511886
>in all reality he's going to give up the faith in 5-10 years because it wasn't "epically christpilled and orthosigma deus vult save the west" for him
where in this post did you say that, seems like a freudian slip to me
also you are wrong too, if it matters

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Wait, are you that aussie faggot who hates christianity because he's homosexual?

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>>3511893
jewish distraction tactics are immediately deployed

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>>3511892
It's merely just the state of how branigger orthobros act however

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>>3511898
I assume you are then
Your arguments are null and void because you take it up the ass

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>>3511905
stop projecting your sexual fetish onto me

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>>3511902
what is wrong with those posts? seems like they are good posts to me

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>>3511886
everything that is required to uphold racism is against christian ethics, you must be an ignorant person

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>>3511902
orthodox converts should not exist

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Most people who convert to orthodoxy do it out of pure larp because they think the byzantine icons look cool and because it's trad

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>>3511948
@Minnesotan Orthodox

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>>3511948
The belief is not for idol worship, it is to adhere to God

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No one cares.

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>>3511951
Let xim cook

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>>3511783
I'll answer this when I get home
>>3511788
>>3511872
I don't think I ever said this

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>>3511965
yes you did. I had an argument with you about christian ethics and racism, you lost and said you would sleep on it (ran away)

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>>3511965
Answer my question or you're a larping faggot

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>>3511965
he's just obsessed, it's the faggot that likes to put words in your mouth

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who are the orthodox namefags here who aren't larping

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>>3511980
I have a screenshot of him saying that, seethe

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>>3511982
The ones from eastern europe.

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>>3511982
you cant be orthodox on the internet and not larping, so no one

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>>3511988
>Russians
>Ukrainians
>Georgians
>Greeks
>Bulgarians
I can keep going but ok

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>glownigger stenopepe
I understand you now

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>>3511987
Most Russians here are atheist

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>>3511989
most young people are not religious

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>>3511994
There are a few Serbs too

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>>3511783
Upon thinking on this and checking with my handy-dandy Orthodox Study Bible, I will say this: While it's worth noting that this mandate was given to Man before the Fall, it is also made with the context that Man is made in the image of God, which did not change after the Fall. Therefore the mandate still applies to all men. Therefore yes, so as long as both the man and woman of the marriage are Christian and are raising their children in the Church. However, I also think that this mandate can be applied on the ethnic level. This means that Christian "peoples" should be encouraged to multiply more than non Christian ones.

There are very broadly-sweeping rules so naturally there are exceptions. Also take what I have to say with a grain of salt, I would be very arrogant to take the task of interpreting the Bible lightly.

>This means you think all blacks should replace White people o algo

I do not believe the Christianity of Africa is true Christianity in any way. I also believe that despite Europe somewhat falling away from the Faith, the White race is inherently Christian and is looked upon favorably by God.
>>3511984
May I see this screenshot?
>>3511980
>he's just obsessed
I've noticed

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>>3512273
>I also believe that despite Europe somewhat falling away from the Faith, the White race is inherently Christian and is looked upon favorably by God.
What about every other race

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>>3512273
whites arent even the most christian geg

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>>3512307
I can't say there is any other race that I would confidently call entirely Christian, but I'm sure there are smaller groups.
>>3512311
Did you even read what I said? Also where's that screenshot big guy?

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>>3512316
All of man is inherently Christian because they are all inclined to worship supernatural forces, right?
I've heard that talking point a lot

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>>3512319
That is somewhat true, but not really what I'm talking about.

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>>3511989
They are only Christian in the most basic sense. They barely do any works
>>3512326
Then what did you mean?

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>>3512328
fake statistics btw. niggers go to "church" events in africa for food.

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>>3512316
actually I dont have the screenshot even though I thought I did, why are you pretending that argument didnt happen tho?

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>>3512331
anti-christian slop with no evidence

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>>3512331
No group is Christian then
Church is foremost a social activity in every culture

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>>3512336
hes retarded dont bother

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>>3512328
I just mean in the most basic sense. You can say that a Muslim is still Christian by nature, i.e. his nature is in the image of the Christian God, but ultimately he it is still valid to just call him a Muslim. So it's fair to call Arabs a Muslim people.
>>3512333
I just don't remember it I suppose.

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>>3512335
isn't it funny that all of the niggers magically all converted (mostly in the 2000-10's) once the EU adopted a law that would allow non-whites to enter western countries more easily under the pretense that they were all good kind christians needing food and shelter?

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me, a trans r/atheism using nigger baby:
BRO…

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>>3512273
why does it matter if the christianity in africa is the true form or not? an african could easily convert to this "true form" if he wanted to right?
how is the white race more christian? it would require anti-christian ethnic violence to uphold an ethnostate

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>>3512336
>Church is foremost a social activity in every culture
no. it is not a social activity. you do not come into a church to be lectured to satiate your inner socialite

>No group is Christian then

thats retarded. niggers magically all converted in a few years-(and cannot follow gods law in the slightest)

meanwhile the white man has had christian nations for 1300 years, and hes built nothing but churches and statues and hospitals and orphanages (which are considered altars) and complete piety.

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>>3512339
surely the jews are the most christian people then, god came to earth as a jew

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>>3512348
>its older so its better

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its older so its better

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>>3512339
Did you mean that Europeans have a deeply Christian culture?
There are a few other peoples that also have that. Armenians, Georgians, Copts, various Arabs, and Ethiopians have been Christian for over 1,000 years

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>>3512340
Huh? Africans converted during colonial times. By the 2000s all of them were independent
>>3512348
>it is not a social activity
You have never attended a church service

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>>3512354
Do you think Georgians are European

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>>3512345
>why does it matter if the christianity in africa is the true form or not?
Because like I said, I think the mandate to multiply mostly applies to true Christian peoples.
>an african could easily convert to this "true form" if he wanted to right?
I suppose their ability to convert is the same as anyone else's, but the point is that they haven't.
>how is the white race more christian? it would require anti-christian ethnic violence to uphold an ethnostate
Europe has been Christian for over a thousand years. I don't understand the relevance of the second statement.
>>3512349
Can you explain your thought process here?
>>3512354
>Did you mean that Europeans have a deeply Christian culture?
Yes.
>There are a few other peoples that also have that. Armenians, Georgians, Copts, various Arabs, and Ethiopians have been Christian for over 1,000 years
A few of these I would certainly still call Christian, or at least a people with Christian roots who have sense fallen away.

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>>3512367
hes retarded dont bother

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>>3512349
christ called the jews descendants of satan (cain)

he was not jewish. also he had blue eyes and was ruddy
>1 Samuel 16:12
>"So he sent and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking. And the Lord said, 'Arise, anoint him; for this is he.'"
>Song of Solomon 5:12
>"His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set." (pupil is dark like the rockdove, iris is blue like water, surrounded by white sclera)
^descriptions of solomon and david, two kings christ was a descendant of

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giving my two cents. people of any race can genuinely convert but jesus said "you will know them by their fruits. the good tree will produce good fruit. the bad tree will produce bad fruit."
if a country "converts" and everybody rapes and murders and watches porn and cheats and steals it's not a christian country ev&o they visit the church building.

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>>3512368
Georgia is in Asia. It doesn't make sense to call them European
>>3512370
>or at least a people with Christian roots who have sense fallen away.
All of them still identify as Christian today, so I don't get what you're getting at

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>>3512367
>Huh? Africans converted during colonial times. By the 2000s all of them were independent
take your meds faggot.
>1900
>~8-9 million
>~8-9%
>1990
>~270-300 million
>~40-45%
>2000
>~335-380 million
>~45-49%

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>>3512382
Sorry, I didn't see the "various" in "various Arabs"

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>>3512381
That sums it up quite nicely

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>>3512381
fact
>don't feed the word to pigs who will abuse and trample it

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>>3512384
>>1900
>>1990
You skipped 90 years of history!

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>>3512273
>I do not believe the Christianity of Africa is true Christianity in any way
Why not

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>>3512392
i dont think all nonwhites will trample it
i'm just saying south africa and congo and lesotho or whatever is not a christian country. know them by their fruits.

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>>3512393
you said they all converted in colonial times retard.

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>>3512370
It does not matter if a people are true christians or not, because christianity says we are all made in the image of christ.
The point about conversion is significant because, if you are claiming whites are the most "inherently christian" group you believe the behaviors of whites are caused primarily by christianity and not by inherent racial characteristics. The most intelligent and virtuous whites today are not christian. You must be an anti-racist.
As I have said it does not make sense to be a christian and racist because to uphold a racial ethnostate requires ethnic violence which is anti-christian. Claiming whites are more christian than other races due to their racial characteristics is anti-christian.

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>>3512402
Yeah. It remained a bunch of colonies until 1960 so omitting that doesn't make sense

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>>3512381
if you want an ethnostate, you also want immigrants to be raped and murdered.

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>>3512407
What a weird thing to say.

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>>3512408
are you the ddlc spammer on /soy/

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>posting in the glownigger thread

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>>3512408
its true, how are you planning to prevent immigrants from entering your country?

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>>3512411
No, he's gay as fuck

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>>3512403
>As I have said it does not make sense to be a christian and racist because to uphold a racial ethnostate requires ethnic violence which is anti-christian.
take your meds retard
<you shall most certainly set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses. You shall set a king over you from among your countrymen (brothers = RACE!); you may not choose a foreigner [to rule] over you who is not your countryman. (RACE!)

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>>3512413
Police? Laws? Hello?

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>>3512412
Hey
The Costa Rican is a good poster

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>>3512417
hes a faggot you clown

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>>3512416
yes that is my point

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>>3512417
>using the glownigger stenopepe

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>>3512418
He makes political threads unlike the rest of the /pol/cobsons
>>3512420
That's a classic frog doie

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>>3512419
Police should only use force if they need to when someone resists. Why is this "rape and murder"

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>>3512423
>not knowing about the stenograph strips

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>>3512415
well the reality is the bible is an inconsistent document written only from the perspective of its time (this also means that the term countrymen ect. is not referring to race).
in the modern time to uphold this would be to contradict christian ethics, so if I where I christian I would simply ignore it.

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>>3512426
Stenographs won nuswa

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>>3512423
doesn't change the fact that hes a tiny south american literal homo.

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>>3512428
I knew i shouldve never trusted you

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>>3512424
people are raped in prison all of the time, and yes force is necessary to arrest someone or prevent them from entering any form of property (including a nation)

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>if I where I christian I would simply ignore it.
do atheists not understand religion? do they think religion is like an ideology where you can pick and choose the commands you like?

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>>3512431
You can trust me

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>>3512436
You are like op

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>>3512432
Yeah, make laws stopping replacement, use force if someone resists, deport.

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>>3512403
>if you are claiming whites are the most "inherently christian" group you believe the behaviors of whites are caused primarily by christianity and not by inherent racial characteristics
non sequitur
>The most intelligent and virtuous whites today are not christian
I disagree, but that is a very broad statement to make so I don't see me changing your mind
>As I have said it does not make sense to be a christian and racist because to uphold a racial ethnostate requires ethnic violence which is anti-christian
Being a racist does not necisarily mean being for a racial ethnostate. Even so, the so-called "racial violence" of defending your land from invaders is not racial violence at all.
>Claiming whites are more christian than other races due to their racial characteristics is anti-christian.
I wouldn't say it's anti-Christian, I would just say it's wrong.
>>3512434
That's the exact problem.

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>>3512427
>(this also means that the term countrymen ect. is not referring to race).
shut your mouth when you don't know about what you are talking about.
<'ah (kinsmen, brother's, brethren)
<alike (1), another (16), brethren (17), brother (218), brother with his brothers (1), brother's (21), brotherhood (1), brothers (195), brothers' (1), companions (1), countryman (10), countryman's (2), countrymen (10), fellow (2), fellow countryman (3), fellow countrymen (2), fellows (1), kinsman (3), kinsmen (27), nephew* (2), other (7), relative (7), relatives (80).

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>>3512434
well what if the religion is contradicting itself like in this case? We can understand that this particular sentence is a product of the political system of the period, in my opinion that is the most reasonable response.

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>>3512427
>in the modern time to uphold this would be to contradict christian ethics

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>>3512442
I apologize, I was up too late and misread it

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>>3512440
>non sequitur
is not a non sequitur because it is leading into my point and away from the irrelevant true christian nonsense
>I disagree, but that is a very broad statement to make so I don't see me changing your mind
well what makes whites exactly so virtuous then? you cannot simply say you disagree.
>Being a racist does not necisarily mean being for a racial ethnostate. Even so, the so-called "racial violence" of defending your land from invaders is not racial violence at all.
I do not understand this at all. We live in an era where non-whites are poor and obvious incentivised by their conditions to move to white nations. Whites can therefore only remain segreated from non-whites through the law (the state, and therefore state violence based on race) or through material inequality (private communities like some libertarians suggest) although this would still cause mixing between most poor whites and non-whites, and the wealth gap between whites and non-whites is growing smaller. There is no such thing as an insular community in the modern age where a person can travel across the whole world in one day that is not protected politically.
also, how do you classify these people as invaders? its a racial classification as I understand as "invader" implies one people attacking another.
>I wouldn't say it's anti-Christian, I would just say it's wrong.
so then you are anti-white and anti-ethnostate.

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>>3512471
as far as*

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>>3512471
>you cannot simply say you disagree.
Yes I can.
>We live in an era where non-whites are poor and obvious incentivised by their conditions to move to white nations
Now you've moved the conversation from racial violence to violence according to wealth. If you're talking about material conditions, I'd say that the more well-off have a moral obligation to give to the needy. However, this does not necessitate that a White country allow non-Whites into their borders or grant them citizenship, even if they are poorer. To summarize, thinking White and Christian civilization should assist non-Whites and not be violent to them does not conflict with the idea of wanting a purely White society.

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>so then you are anti-white and anti-ethnostate.

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>>3512477
racial violence is a part of violence according to wealth because racial violence today is caused by wealth inequality between races and nations. Most social racism today, as in pure discrimination and not not race science, is not wholly separate from economic discrimination. If you disagree consider for example racism between western european people historically or against asians for example for living in planned housing and working in factories.
My only point is that enforcing borders means racial violence and racial violence is anti-christian. There cannot be a purely white society without racial violence.

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>>3512485
>My only point is that enforcing borders means racial violence and racial violence is anti-christian. There cannot be a purely white society without racial violence.
Your argument just totally falls apart here. Enforcing borders does not mean racial violence, or at least a kind of violence that is non-Christian. You have to prove to me otherwise.

Furthermore, peacefully letting someone into your country for the sake of charity does not mean granting them citizenship.

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>Furthermore, peacefully letting someone into your country for the sake of charity does not mean granting them citizenship.
Holy fucking shit get the fuck off our board faggot.

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>>3512494
How does it fall apart, nonwhites will continue to come to our nations because their countries are poor. If we want to maintain a white nation, these immigrants must be arrested and therefore they will become the victims of racial violence. How is racial violence not non-christian if we are all made in the image of god?
>Furthermore, peacefully letting someone into your country for the sake of charity does not mean granting them citizenship.
so, a nonwhite person may come to our countries to essentially be a slave. You do realise this would not go both ways right? no white person would go to africa to be a slave. This is basically violence based on race but pretending not to be by using only national language.

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mine is rare

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>>3512501
>multiculturalism leads to sins like rapes, murders, thefts and assault
>so let's close the borders to non whites
>and the police and army can use force if anyone resists this

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>>3512520
>because we are preventing more sins

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>>3512501
>How is racial violence not non-christian if we are all made in the image of god?
If someone tries to stab a Christian man, he may shoot him. It will be unfortunate because the perpretator is made in the image of God, but he is within his right to defend himself. Not all violence is disqualified on the basis of Man's nature being one with God.
>so, a nonwhite person may come to our countries to essentially be a slave.
That's not what I said.
>You do realise this would not go both ways right? no white person would go to africa to be a slave. This is basically violence based on race but pretending not to be by using only national language.
>This is basically violence based on race
>basically
Nice rhetoric there. But no, you still have not explained how this "violence" of enforcing a border is non-Christian.

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>>3512520
>>3512521
probably bait, but can you prove non-whites are less likely to commit rapes, murders, thefts and assault if they stay in their home country?

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>>3512520
>>3512521
This is kind of true but rings somewhat civic-nationalist to me.

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>>3512524
>If someone tries to stab a Christian man, he may shoot him. It will be unfortunate because the perpretator is made in the image of God, but he is within his right to defend himself. Not all violence is disqualified on the basis of Man's nature being one with God.
so your position is now racial violence is ok? immigrants come to western nations for economic opportunities not to kill people, so I dont understand.
>Nice rhetoric there.
its not that serious bro
>But no, you still have not explained how this "violence" of enforcing a border is non-Christian.
would it be ok for me to shoot my neighbor for being asian, even though he is a christian that has only ever been kind to me? Racial violence is anti-christian, why would you not accept immigrants.

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>>3512535
>I will develop a future seeing device like the one from minority report to check if any person is planning on committing sin, and then I will arrest them and throw them in prison.
If the goal of christianity is only to prevent sin by any means, even unethical means, this must be the most christian thing ever, right?
inb4 giga

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>>3512554
>so your position is now racial violence is ok? immigrants come to western nations for economic opportunities not to kill people, so I dont understand.
No, I will repeat my point. Not all violence is disqualified on the basis of Man's nature being one with God.
>would it be ok for me to shoot my neighbor for being asian, even though he is a christian that has only ever been kind to me?

No offense but this is probably the stupidest argument you've presented.

If you put up a sign that said "If you enter my front door without permission, I will violently remove you from my house", and then your Asian neighbor did just that, and you violently removed him, that would be perfectly justified. That is what enforcing a border is. It is not shooting because someone is of a certain race. Your scenario is the equivalent of invading a country because it is Asian, which is not moral.

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>>3512597
>No, I will repeat my point. Not all violence is disqualified on the basis of Man's nature being one with God.
Ok so if racial violence is unjustified what justifies the violence that would be required to create and sustain an ethnostate. Thats really all I need you to explain. I never said any violence is unjustified because man is made in gods image, I said racial violence specifically is unjustified because ALL men are made in gods image.
>If you put up a sign that said "If you enter my front door without permission, I will violently remove you from my house", and then your Asian neighbor did just that, and you violently removed him, that would be perfectly justified. That is what enforcing a border is. It is not shooting because someone is of a certain race. Your scenario is the equivalent of invading a country because it is Asian, which is not moral.
but you have said you want an ethnostate, a state justified on racial grounds and therefore borders justified on racial grounds. The borders of private property are not the same as the borders of the state regardless, as the state is the organisation that enforces private property law.

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>>3512619
>The borders of private property are not the same as the borders of the state regardless, as the state is the organisation that enforces private property law.

The purpose of a state/government is to represent and align with the will of the people. I think both of us can agree on this at least. It's purpose is also to, simultaneously, align with and enforce the Will of God.

>Ok so if racial violence is unjustified what justifies the violence that would be required to create and sustain an ethnostate.


The land of a country is, in a way, collectively the land of the people, and when you invade that land as someone who is not of that people, you are violating the property of the people (I am not referring to a literal collective property as in Communism). The government is morally obligated to remove that person. Not JUST because he is of a foreign ethnicity, but because he has violated the "property" of the country, i.e. its borders. This makes it NOT violence purely on the basis of race.

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>>3512665
I guess this is kind of getting into the weeds of what my worldview is when it comes to government, I apologize for that.

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>>3511745 (OP)
Second best option so I respect it

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>>3512665
>The land of a country is, in a way, collectively the land of the people, and when you invade that land as someone who is not of that people, you are violating the property of the people (I am not referring to a literal collective property as in Communism). The government is morally obligated to remove that person. Not JUST because he is of a foreign ethnicity, but because he has violated the "property" of the country, i.e. its borders. This makes it NOT violence purely on the basis of race.
I think you could believe this but I also think it is anti christian. What makes that land the collective property of the people? it could only be the fact they are descended historically from others who have lived there, so it is an ethnic distinction. I just dont see how it is not violence purely on the basis of race.
Also, as an american you are living on native land, so how can you justify creating an ethnostate in your country?

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>>3512686
>What makes that land the collective property of the people? it could only be the fact they are descended historically from others who have lived there, so it is an ethnic distinction.
I agree, and I am purposefully making an ethnic distinction.
>I just dont see how it is not violence purely on the basis of race.
<Not JUST because he is of a foreign ethnicity, but because he has violated the "property" of the country, i.e. its borders

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hes converting back to whatever he was in 2 weeks. you dont just wake up one day and decide to be orthodox christian, he isnt being genuine. bro just wants to feel based and orthopilled for a little bit

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>>3512702
Ok but the borders of the country are justified by race so his expulsion is also justified by race. You believe in ethnostates and so you also believe that race and nation are the same thing, or should be. I should not have to explain to you that if someone is punished for violating the property of the ethnostate they are being punished for violating the property of the race too.
the boarders are not necessarily the "property of the people" the nation is the property of the people and the borders are created to protect that nation. If there was only one race and one nation in the world there would be no borders.

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>>3512713
>I should not have to explain to you that if someone is punished for violating the property of the ethnostate they are being punished for violating the property of the race too.
Exactly, so it's not non-Christian. This is my line of thinking: Protecting your property is not non-Christian > A government representing it's people is not non-Christian > the land of a nation is the effective property of its people > the government protecting that property via borders is not non-Christian. The term "racial violence" has proved to be too broad to be rhetorically effective, so I've narrowed down exactly what I'm talking about.

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>>3512721
I want to clarify what I mean because I feel my previous post was not clear and I had not properly considered by argument. You have compared this national property concept to both private property and collectively owned property in this discussion to justify you position. A national or ethnic property is not like either collective or private property because the citizen of a state does not own all of the land which exits inside of the states borders and does not have the right to do with this land what whatever he wants. This property is therefore just an idealistic concept because it is not justified by right to exploitation by any person or persons,or actually the existence of biological race because a biological race is not bound materially to the land is has historically inhabited. It is for this reason I think this property is only an element of racism, it is just based on the desire to preserve the purity of a race (which is not necessarily a negative thing). If the boarders are justified only by the desire to preserve the purity of a race and nothing else, than it is far to say deporting someone is an act of racial violence.

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>>3512741
borders* fair*

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>>3512741
my* then*

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>>3512741
your*
whatever It was too long for me to bother to spellcheck after writing

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>>3512741
I'm sorry, I don't understand. It sounds like you agree with me. Have I convinced you that borders are perfectly fine under a Christian worldview? If not, I really don't think I can.

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>>3512760
you are claiming deporting a person from a nation is like removing a person from a property, however "national property" is nothing like collective property or private property in any way. National property gives no right of to exploitation to its owners (the people I assume) and its existence is not justified by the labour of the citizens or any transaction, historical or ethical reason. These national borders exist for no other purpose than to preserve the purity of the race, they are just a conceptual idea that arises out of conflict between people. If borders exist only to preserve the purity of the race and require racial violence to continue to exist, a christian should oppose them.

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>>3512802
>These national borders exist for no other purpose than to preserve the purity of the race
There is nothing wrong with this, but I also disagree with your phrasing. It's not just "purity", but also safety and well-being.
>If borders exist only to preserve the purity of the race and require racial violence to continue to exist, a christian should oppose them.
You still have not addressed the fundamental problem which is that the force that is used to enforce a border is not purely based on race. Arresting a foreigner and arresting a foreigner for entering your country illegally are two very different actions. Even if those borders are based on the will of your people i.e. race-based, it is enforced as a way to protect their wellbeing. Protecting the well-being of your people is a perfectly Christian thing to do.

Okay is is 1:45 where I am so I really really need to go to sleep. Can we continue this another time? Don't forget to screenshot this time. Goodnight.

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Apparently there are only 2 Orthodox churches in all of Costa Rica



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