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still gigas
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>Finland is not a Germanic country linguistically despite having been part of the Kingdom of Sweden for most of its recorded history until the 19th century. The same is true of the Sami, who retained their linguistic and cultural identity after centuries of officially belonging to Sweden or Norway. Over 60% of Finns and 50% of the Sami belong to the Uralic haplogroup N1c1, which is concordant with the fact that their languages (Suomi and Saami) also belongs to the Uralic linguistic family. One might therefore wonder whether the 25 to 30% of I1 lineages among the Finns and Sami came from their Scandinavian neighbours (notably Sweden) sometime between the Bronze Age and the Middle Ages, or on the contrary whether I1 spread throughout Fennoscandia during the Late Mesolithic/Neolithic period.
>Of the 28% of I1 in Finland, 65% belong to the exclusively Finnish L287 (downstream of L22) and particularly its L258 subclade. A few percents more belong to other subclades that are also specifically Finnish (e.g. L300). The rest (5-10%) generally resemble more closely Swedish I1. The Swedish-like subclades are unsurprisingly found primarily on the west and south-west coast of Finland, where Swedes have settled in historical times and where Swedish is still spoken. This is also where most of the R1b (3.5%) and Scandinavian R1a-Z282 (3%) is to be found. The Scandinavian I1 in Finland is found at a similar proportion to R1b and R1a as in Sweden. In contrast, Finnish I1 is found in all the country, where hardly any Germanic Y-DNA is present, strongly hints that these specifically Finnish branches of I1 are of pre-Germanic origin.
>Most of the Sami either belong to the L258 clade like the Finns, or to the L1302 subclade of I1-Z60, a branch more generally associated with West Germanic tribes. L258 is found mostly among the eastern Sami from north-east Norway and Finland, while L1302 is more common in the rest of Norway and in Sweden. The more recent age of I1-L1302 found among the Sami, combined with the higher percentages of R1a (13%) and R1b (7%) and the presence of E-V13 and J2 suggests that some, if not all of the Sami I1 resulted from an introgression in Germanic times, probably through centuries of occasional intermarriages between Sami women and Scandinavian men. Nowadays, approximately half of all paternal Saami lineages are of Scandinavian origin.
>Finland is the only country with more than 15% of I1 where the Germanic culture and language didn't take root. A good reason for this would indeed be if Germanic culture did not yet exist in Scandinavia at the time when I1 reached Finland. Germanic culture is supposed to have been progressively formed during the Nordic Bronze Age, maturing by the start of the Iron Age around 500 BCE. If only a small group of I1 men spread their Y-chromosomal lineages among the last Mesolithic Fennoscandians, with little or no maternal contribution from the Battle-Axe culture, then their language would most probably have been lost too, as that small number of I1 men joined the northern tribes and adopted their language.
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>>3478740>A look at the phylogenetic tree shows that the Finns, Swedes and Norwegians belong primarily to the northern cluster (L22), which is just over 4,000 years old. Out of five subclades, two (L287 and L300) are almost exclusively Finnish, while the others are Scandinavian. According to the Y-chromosomal phylogeny at Yfull.com the L287 and L300 subclades are approximately 3,000 years old. The dates might be older as the number of mutations fails to take into account historical population sizes. Larger populations create more genetic variations. Nordic countries have always had a lower population density than central or southern Europe. Before the Bronze Age, Nordic people were still essentially hunter-gatherers, while the rest of Europe had been farming for up to 3500 years. Agricultural societies could support populations ten times higher than hunter-gatherers in similar climates. In cold Fennoscandia, the pre-Indo-European population density must have been at least 20 times lower than in Mediterranean Europe. This would mean that the mutation rate would also be 20 times lower, and therefore that haplogroup I1 and its subclades could be much older than SNPs and STR variations suggest.
>If the current age estimates are correct, it would mean that L22 was formed during the Battle-Axe period, while its Finnish subclades would have appeared at the beginning of the Nordic Bronze Age. If the age of the I1 subclades were underestimated, L22 could have arisen during the Funnelbeaker period and spread before the arrival of R1a and R1b in Scandinavia. Whatever the time frame, one possible scenario is that some I1-L22 tribes from southern Scandinavia migrated north, either on their own or pushed by Indo-European invaders. They would have been forced to drop farming by the colder climate in northern Scandinavia, and would have reverted to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, perhaps with a bit of stockbreeding, just like modern Sami. It's hard to tell whether I1 or N1c arrived first in Lapland and Finland. Both could have arrived approximately 2,500 to 2,000 years ago, I1 getting first to northern Sweden and Norway, then moving into Finland, while N1c would have followed the opposite path, the two groups eventually converging and intermingling to form the ancestors of the Finns.
>It is possible that various small groups of I1 men joined the remnants of Mesolithic Fennoscandians in northern Scandinavia and modern Finland, and perhaps thanks to superior technology asserted their dominance and became tribal chietftains, quickly spreading their Y-DNA and replacing Mesolithic I2 lineages by I1. That would explain why both the Finns and the Sami have very different maternal lineages from modern Scandinavians, which resemble more those of Mesolithic Scandinavians.https://eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml#suomi №3478745[Quote]
>>3478737Uralic men went to Finland and fuc.k.ed 6000 Indo-European women and cucked their boyfriends
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We gave birth to both oriental and occidental civilizations
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I thought they were Mongolians?
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>>3478642 (OP)Reminds me of a really obnoxious Finnish weeb pervert I interacted with at least a few times on 4chan around 10-12 years ago.
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>>3478847They are Uralic.