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Everything by the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, the White Stripes, etc.
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why is no one saying to pimp a butterfly lmao
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>>142553because we love our black kangs on der sharty
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>>142510KINO but may be overrated yes
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>>142510Moonchild is pure brimstone but the other 4 tracks deserve their rating
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>>142566niggers will say go back to anything on here
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>>142447It's got like 3-4 songs that are phenominal but the rest is genuinely dreadfull to listen to
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>>142575>Everything after the first song is 5/10 at mostfor dinner singlehandedly turned this song from a 95/100 to a 80/100
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>>142553It's overrated, but one of the few rap albums I can tolerate 80% of the way through
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>>142443 (OP)yeah, its just super shitty rock n roll
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>>142864I seriously don't get why anyone listens to it when you can just listen to The Doors
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how did andy hohol become famous if his """"""art"""""" is something a caca with gimp/photoshop could do
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That guy zappa was mentally ill, someone that did psyops honestly he one of the most repulsive people to ever exist on the face of the earth.
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>>143390He made some of the best music of his era, way ahead of bullshit like TVU
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Zappa made randomized screeching noises for people with down syndrome. The Velvet Underground wrote actual music. Very different things tbqh. I can see why it triggers so many of yku so much mostly due to the lyrical content on White Light/White Heat and nothing to do with this album. You are literally Waldo Jeffers. And that transcends your ability to judge it objectively as art. Songwritting is impeccable. Was groundbreaking for the time. Zappa nust copied older classical composers substantially worse. But you wouldn't pick up on or recognize that because you are retarded.
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>>143394Nope! He didn't even make music that worked lmao. Cry harder downie.
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>>142815Not remotely random. Good to know you're all shrieking and shitting yourselves months upon months if not years later though. Im working/making money. I think that if you had ever been laid the creepy zappa obsession would disappear. Once again a band who could write actually songs. And not just cringy random gleeb glory rick and morty comedy numbers like le heckin yellow snow where does big chungus bochirino go or whatever the fuck. Paperhouse is stunning and beautiful. Zappa was not capable of that. In conclusion you are a fucking downie.
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>>143116The doors sucked ass. Thats probably why. The Velvet Underground actually wrote good songs and the doors wrote filler. I think the doors serve a poeer fantasy role for you where you can feel less inadequate though. Like that retard aho wants to fuck the broom probably loves them aswell. But musically they are extremely mid. They are not remotely as engaging nor creative as The VU nor Nico.
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>>142575This is genuinely overrated though I agree with that
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>>143394Nope! You're just mentally retarded and the funny screeching downie fit throwing noise appeals to you more. Same with the hatred of CAN. You can't follow along with it the way somebody normal could because you are severely disabled.
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>>145546>funny screeching downie fit throwing noisethe fuck are you talking about? Zappa's music is all carefully composed, unlike TVU who made hippie drum circle jamming bullshit
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>>145548If you actually knew how to play music whatsoever it is in fact funny screeching. There is no overall structure. It is basically retarded fit throwing in quasi/pseudo musical form. Im guessing you've never listened to any of the actual classical musicians who zappa ripped off or any free jazz etc? Because none of that shit was original lol. Keep fit throwing and shitting yourself though. Not reading any of that. I got laid at a developmentally normal age and gave a history of employment so Frank Zappa doesn't make "music" for me. Neither does Captain Beefheart. Maybe if I was too disabled to understand genuine melodic structures or any sense of pacing within music nor temperament I could "appreciate" that more. But 90%+ of the population is not mentally retarded enough to do that. Liking this slop simply means you are low iq. You give a child with down syndrome a kazoo and they could record a Captain Beefheart or Frank Zappa Album. That's not me being mean its just the truth. CAN were classically trained in genuine and it shows with their lush fleshed out insturmentations,melodies,and dramatic and bombastic sense of pacing and rhythm. The Velvet Underground is like more down to earth ig. But you dont understand song structure or songwritting so thats why you dont fully appreciate it. Sorry you're retarded though. Genuinely for you and your family. Must be hard.
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>>145548Its not. Its random downie screeching. It lacks an overarching sense of pacing or placement. The Velvet Underground made actual music that actually works sequentially. Something Zappa was not capable of doing.
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>>145549>m guessing you've never listened to any of the actual classical musicians who zappa ripped off or any free jazz etc?so which one is it? is zappa random noise like you say or is he ripping off classical composers? and no, you literally have to study music for years to compose on the level of zappa on a bad day, anyone who's studied music can "recognize game" when listening to a zappa track because that's really who he made music for. it's not hippie drum circle kumbaya shit for brain dead drum addicts like CAN or TVU
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>>145548Ypu beliebe this because you've mever listened to the jazz nor classical composers who zappa is ripping off. Also because you are mentally retarded and cannot get laid his whole gimmick of being le farther sniffer sexual harassment man seems cool to you as opposed to sad and creepy. The Velvet Underground meanwhile changed how music is composed and preformed widely and in general as did CAN. As did Funkadelic as did Jmi Hendrix. But these far better artists are actually threatening to you. I think that Zappa is basically just Jeromaquai for people that pay for sex.
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>>145551Its both. You can feel free to have your little downie meltdown with that fake paragraph of meaningless jargon though. CAN and John Cale were actual composers. Zappa was juat some weird disgusting porn addict with low iq and negative attention span. Explaining the total lack of melody or structure in his jams. He didnt need drugs because he probsbly had fucking brain damage lol.
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But yeah. Its not actually what you think it is not as important either. Nor as influential. He just copied a bunch of classical and jazz musicians and removed any challenging melodic parts+really removed any melody in general. And then added in that stupid part noise humor you love so much. Sorry that you're stupid ig.
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>>145551Both. Because he didn't know how to integrate melody or rhythm jn with complexity. Velvet Underground made complex neuanced music that is actually atill listenable. Zappa made shitty novelty songs with dumbed down proto redditor versions of random jaz zor classical tropes thrown in. It superficially bares resemblance to something you would actually be smart for liking and your probably highkey mentally retarded. Reason you types are drawn to it. See also:Tool.
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It only sounds like a"contradiction" to you because youw watched le heckin epic "logical phalicy" video and read at the level of somebody with down syndrome. And also tbqh probably have down syndrome. Zappas Fanbase tend ti be mentally challenged in a literal sense. Also turbo virgins which is why they find le epic sex and shid noises epic and funny as opposed to crimgy and obnoxious. Which ultimately kills off any sense of melody nor pacing. And when he does actuslky develop something listenable he randomly interests it with skibbidi bop bop yess yessing like he does on Inca Roads. There is zero flow to it. CAN had Flow. The Velvet Underground had flow. Zappa doesn't. Rock music was already developing an interest in odd times etc with the Beatles as much as I shit on them too aswell as the grateful dead aswell as soft machine. He accomplished literally nothing of value. And is only really remembered due to down syndrome individuals such as yourself. You don't go outside which is how you don't realize it. But there is not a single other demographic who cares about Zappa. You like him despite his directionless retarded screeching because he makes you mistakenly believe you are something even remotely aproximating a real human being.
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>>145551>"it's not hippie drum circle kumbaya shit for brain dead drum addicts like CAN or TVU"Appeal to social norms and or appeal to emotion unironically though. It is still totally directionless downie shit. Also you talk like this because you are mentally braindead. Also the velvet underground and can are both depressing as fuck. You misread the tone because you are retarded. Also why you talk and speak like you are in middle school.
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The songs dont have fully fleshed out beginnings or endings or structural integrity whatsoever. It simply doesn't land musically. Thats why you like frank zaopa. Its your retard downie bug man big boy idea of what music is based on the fact you cant even process the basic structuew. And your downie big boy half understanding of what the velvet underground or can represented is also objectively laughable. Neither of these bands were "hippy drum circle kumbiya" shit remotely. I'll give you that can were veaigly marxist but a lot of it is stark,bombastic,and ultimately quite depressing same with The VU. Y I u don't know any classical music which explains why you think it was influential also. Its downie reddit retard cope shit with lots of random funny screaming and no overarching sense of pace or placement. So no. This is just you being mentally challenged again. Sort of like why I have a job and you don't. Or why I've had sex and you have not. And do not know where the clitoris is.
>"recognize game"
It doesnt work contextually. You are a downie who cannot process the concept of placement or songwritting. Most country music or anything with a basic semblance of structure even if it were to be explicitly conservative would also process as "kumbiyah hippie music" to you. What you are describing is weird nerds who dont actually go onto make anything anybody ever ever cares about. The "game" is him jacking himself off and it leads into nothing. He created "rock music" without a sense of feel or impact somehow. And ultimately that was a negative development. Im a Freudian sense I can see how pretending to enjoy this or pretending to enjoy tmr makes you feel less like killing yourself I guess. A proxy for any actual sense of manhood. But you're not exactly enjoying the music as much as zappas image. Which is because you are mentally stunted basically. He made bad novelty songs. They might be impressive in some academic sense but unlike the actual composers he was copying there is no contextual flow. It works in snippets sure but there's no sense of pacing or buildup. Its randomized chudslop for people who are functionally mentally disabled and also are essentially virgins.
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Inb4 some type of retarded downie screeching about CIRCUS MUSIC pr you basically having a meltdown. Zappa was entirely dependant on gimmicks and le funny sound effects. I would agree that his music is unlistenable while high but mostly just because it lacks any sense of mood etc. Ted Nudgent was just as conservative and suffered from none of this. He also actually got laid which is why you're into zappa instead. And his songs had actual like buildup and payoff etc. Zappa couldn't even comprehend what that was.
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>>145560nah man you just don't get it. like I said zappa made music for people who know about music, it isn't shit for druggies or normies. just because something steps outside of convention doesn't mean it's "random" or whatever the fuck, all of zappa's works have an underlying logic to them but it goes over your head because it's not standard 4/4 shit. that's the problem with most hippie music, it refuses to actually step outside any boundaries and at the end of the day is just drum circle jam bullshit that lacks complexity. there are a few decent hippie bands (The Doors for example) but most of it just sucks balls, especially the shit touted as groundbreaking like TVU
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>>145561I get it better than you do since you havw a complete lack of self awareness or self realization. This is also part of why you fear music like CAN and The Velvet Underground as it is self reflective and largely internal. Although obviously CAN had some other pretty overt social/political goals. But I'm not denying that.
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>>145561>its not standard 4/4 shitYep,you're a fucking downie!
So that doesnt actually make it good lmao. That doesn't mean it doesn't also fail to work sequentially either. It fails to work sequentially. Being not in 4/4 is only impressive or cool or good or creative if the music still works sequentially. Like with early soft machine or MAGMA or with Van Der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant. The difference is that Frank Zappas music objectively on every single level doesn't. It lacks structural flow. The songs don't work in my opinion. Barely call them songs really. That's only impressive or good if it contextually "works". Zappa doesn't use nearly as non standard song structures or as avant gaurde use of sequencing as CAN or The Velvet Underground did either. And Classical Music influencing rock at all would have just lead the british wave of prog rock to use odd time signatures anyway. Most of those bands were not genuinely directly zappa inspired in any remotely tangible aspect and still would have ended up doing it regardless. The Beatles and The Grateful Dead and even The Velvet Underground at one piint were also using le heckin epic odd time signatures. Its not as unique nor as complicated to do as you think im assuming.
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>>145561>" 4/4 shit. that's the problem with most hippie music, it refuses to actually step outside any boundaries and at the end of the day is just drum circle jam bullshit that lacks complexity. there are a few decent hippie bands (The Doors for example) but most of it just sucks balls, especially the shit touted as groundbreaking like TVU"Nope! You're just a fucking downie. You're literally screeching at it and having a meltdown over it because it actually did this. Frank Zappa did not. He simply lacked any sense of composure or timing. He lacked a sense of placement. You can play in odd time signatures within a rock context and still have this. Christian Vander more than proved that. Faust more than proved that. Maybe it had some novelty y at the time. But some 80 years later it simply doesn't hold up. But sure thing downie,im the one that doesn't get it. And Frank Zappa is really actually secretly super heckin challenging or whatever. I dont think you realize how easy it is to just not do a 4 count. I will agree most not all but most of CANs shit was common time even though I think Paperhouse might be SIX SEVEEEEEN or 6/8 or something. But I get it and you don't. Zappa couldn't write actual songs and CAN and The VU could. Lou Reed had some stick about not playing outside 4/4 time but overall it is higher complexity and far more neuanced than zappas shitty novelty act.
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>"but most of it just sucks balls, especially the shit touted as groundbreaking like TVU"
If you talked less like a mentally disabled child this would be a wildly different conversation. If you could actually form a coherent argument or anything. CAN did in fact sometimes use odd time signatures though. That was more a Lou Reed thing. Which I think "The Murder Myatery" is still in 11/some bullshit or something but still. CAN just didn't use as "odd" of "time signatures" or as frequently as their british counterparts did. Which honestly neither did Frank Zappa.
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>>145572>>145571>>145570you're missing the forest for the trees here. I never said that odd time signatures = good, conversely I'm saying that people like you think odd time signatures = bad. I couldn't give less of a fuck about hippie fake prog like magma or soft machine, all of those guys rode Zappa's dick anyways so I don't see your point in bringing them up. I'll say it one more time: Zappa's music isn't incoherent/random etc., it has a structure/pacing/sequence etc. and you're just not educated enough on music to get it. Zappa is universally recognized as the greatest musical mind of the 20th century by real students of music theory, I couldn't care less what hippie burnouts think
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They did not have a ton of power electronics bands in six seveeeeen. So yeah. The Velvet Underground at least for the time were more non conventional. I think you can conceptualize them counting different easier because you're sped as fuck and thats really what this boils down to. But zappa used nowhere near as crazy time signatures than his ultimately far more commercially viable British counterparts. Who also sold more records than him wildly. Even though I dont like pointing to that. I think zappas role in the music scene was negligible at best. It was probably always mostly mentally retarded guys like you obsessing over him. CAN meanwhile had a conceot of things like structure and pacing. Things Zappa didnt even comprehend. Because he was a bug person and a little boy just like how you are.
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>>145574Ok lmao. Whatever makes you feel better. Retarded downie screeching and le ebin funny sex noises. Basically proto reddit slop tbqh.
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CAN IN FACT PLAYED IN ODD TIME SIGNATURES REGARDLESS THOUGH. JUST NOT TO THE SAME DEGREE MAYBE.
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Music can never be good, only mediocre at best.
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>>145576
Right. But you don't actually know or have never listened to Igor Stravinsky or Edgar Varsee. And musically it doesn't land. The structure makes no sense and leads nowhere. You're just too fat and retarded to even comprehend ideas like pacing,structure,or sequencing beyond le heckin odd time signaturerinos. You dont shower cannot work and couldn't sit through something one of these composers actually wrote. And that is why you are talking about Frank Pingas and The Skibbidi Toilets of Vibe Coding.
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I like odd time signatures too. Dont get me wrong. I like prog rock even. But Zappa did it poorly. He fucking sucks tbqh.
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>>145581Its clear you are just personally biased against him.
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>>145574I do not actually think that. That is once again your retarded little dumbed down downie big boy interpretation of what I said. I like Magma a lot and they did a ton of odd time signatures. But they also had actual song writting and build up. Also CAN used odd time signatures just not as extensively as their british peers did. It was more the other german bands who didnt at all save for Faust and also Eliff. And I guess Metropolis but nobody gives a single fuck about them.
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>>145582Im personally biased against you aswell if that helps. But no. Its that his music is randomized retard shit with no structure or pacing. It doesn't work musically. No amount of odd time signatures would change that. If his music was actually good maybe I could get over that but it objectively isn't.
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>>145584No one is falling for this bait, its not possible to hate an objectively good and well liked musician this much.
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>>145574>"Zappa is universally recognized as the greatest musical mind of the 20th century by real students of music theory"Hes actually not lmao. It is only you and other fat stinky retards on 4chan that are still saying this. He's near forgotten and viewed as a joke same with Captain Beefheart. CAN are on the other hand recognized as fubdementally changing song writting and song structures in western music and paving the way for genres like trance and ambient music within germany. What you are saying is ironically more true of both CAN and The Velvet Underground than Zappa.
>"Hippie Burnouts think"You are a retarded manchild who does not work or take care of yourself. If their opinions don't matter neither do yours. Inb4 blah blah. You don't work. We both know that. I can tell from this conversation to begin with. You are mentally a child.
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>>145586Nope! Nice try though retard. Im gonna go listen to stars and lines. Lmk when you've actually held a job within the last 5 to ten years.
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>>145586>"No one is falling for this bait, its not possible to hate an objectively good and well liked musician this much."Why do you speak like a retarded toddler? Also he is not universally loved. Hes universally forgotten everywhere except for anime conventions and maybe brony con. Nobody knows or cares about Frank Zappa. You do not meet fans of frank zappa in real life. They do not work or go outside. It's not "bait",you're just retarded. Meanwhile CAN and The Velvet Underground are the critically acclaimed universally beloved acts you think Zappa to be. You're just a no nothing retard whos hobbies are anime and porn. So maybe the sort of abstraction of that is intellectually threatening to you.
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>>145588Im a full time indie artist, theres no good reason to brag about being a corpo slave. Get over yourself please
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Literally just having a fucking meltdown with your le ebin little wojak quotes. What you're describing is more true of both TVU and CAN than Zappa. Nobody still cares about Frank Zappa. It is that you do not go outside and live in an echo chamber that you do. If nobody cared about CAN there would not be widespread discussion of them in English at all to begin with.
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>>145590>"Im a fullt ime mentally retarded porn addict who makes epic vidya!"Wouldn't exactly call that art. Im really really really assuming/infering that this either means hentai or furry porn. Because yk. You're a fucjing downie lmao. Best of luck in life. I make an actual paycheck.
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>>145591Keep exposing yourself lol, im laughing
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>>145590>"brag about being a corpo slave"You make erotic fan art of sonic the hedgehog charecters and likely support Elon Musk.
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>>145593Nope! Just making the obvious conclusions anybody else would be thinking. Saying "lol im laughing" makes you sound incredibly angry. Which is likely because its obviously true.
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>>145593Nobody but you and the other morbidly obeese down syndrome types on discord and reddit actually care about frank zappa. He is completely forgotten from modern discussion. Most prog musicians post 2010 could not tell you who zappa was and if they could know maybe three songs by him tops or only have a veauge idea. Glad to re read and see you werent denying that that meant hentai and/or furry pirn though. I know you types dont make actual art. Nothing of value.
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>>145595Theres literally a whole room full of independent artists laughing at you right now.
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The audiance for zappa is people who fling their own piss and shit at gamestop employees followed by mlp porn accounts. Just making the obvious connections. I'm sorry you are a virgin and I am sorry you read at a fifth grade level. Furry porn is not actually art. Sorry.
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>>145599Awesome. So you and your unemployed mentally retarded discord admin friend group had a little get together? As long as you know none of you actually like each other ig. Anyways. Real actual musicians do not listen to frank zappa. Maybe you and other people making shitty fan "art" for the brony or anime communities.
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Why hate porn so much? Porn is art.
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You have literally never seen a paycheck. You're not laughing at anybody. Its called seething. I hope your caretaker makes sure you know how to wash your own penis and not shit yourself in public. I've seen freaks like you on the subway. Nobody else views you as an artist. Thus is imaginary. They view it as sad and childlike and they view it as like your sad emotionally stunted obsessesion with the cartoon women. Or those weird little Keychains you have hanging off your backpack. It just marks you as defective prettymuch. Sort of like how zappa does.
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>>145602Not really no. Not in an american context at least. Im glad you can finally admit you meant hentai by "independent artists" though. I could tell.
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>>145603Ive never needed to because the government takes money from losers like you and funds my lifestyle.
>>145604So youre american? I think I recognise you, seems like you havent matured at all.
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>>145605So you're on disability payments? Because nobody wants to buy your shitty retard "art"? Damn sounds like you're the loser then huh. Maybe you should be thanking me instead. Its ok though. I know you couldn't find for yourself. You're somebody who needs it. So society can take care of that ig. Just funny your delusional enough to see that as the same thing as you being like an actual established artist. You're just some weird porn addict who draws furry stuff or something. You have a problem morelike.
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>>145605>"I think I recognise you, seems like you havent matured at all."Neither have you so that makes sense. Difference is you stopped maturing in like late middleschool and are just like this forever now. Which is sort of why this crap appeals to you would be my guess. Its like Rick and morty for baby boomers.
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>>145587Bruh just admit that you didn't like Zappa shitting on your flower power kumbaya bullshit and that's what this is really about. You're mad that Zappa basically exposed the phoniness of the hippie era so you cope by pretending like he's the worst musician ever but it doesn't work because anyone who actually knows about music understands how legendary of a composer Zappa was. Arguably one of the most important musicians ever and you're pretending like he sucks, yeah, this might work on your burnout druggie friends but pulling this shit in front of real music fans just makes you look like an idiot. This is like when people pretend to hate The Amazing Digital Circus except even more egregiously full of shit and pathetic
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>>142443 (OP)Yeah that's about what I expected. Like I said trying shit like this isn't gonna work on people who actually know about music. If I were you I'd only try this bullshit on your flower power drum circle friends lol
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>>142443 (OP)Everything on the Rateyourmusic top 1000