/mtv/ - Media and Interests

don’t bring /mu/ discourse into the sharty

Literally everysoy hates this album shut the fuck up and post your shitty bait somewhere else

>>138809
>every soyboy hates this album
you just said the quiet part out loud…

>>138819
The only people listening to this album are retarded manchildren with no history of job experience. You just sound like some obeese spastic knocking over display counters at a videogame convention saying this. The type of guy who pretends to like this shit for attention isn't even able to do their own grocery shopping. The "Soyboy" is above them in ever conceivable way. Im not no fucking soyboy either lmao. I might be libtard but I cut my fucking hand open on the job. I work hard i dont hardly work like you bitches.

Anyway TMR sucks and you like it because you are a retarded manchild who doesn't understand structure or presentation or songwriting. It is albeit Nobel prettymuch intrinsically bad as music. It lacks flow,structure,emotional resonance,or buildup or melody or a true sense of rhythm. Any retard could randomly play tuneless bullshit out of order which is what Beefheart did. He was also clearly some type of mentally retarded and probably a 40 year old virgin like all of you are hence you all glowing onto him. The VU and CAN and Jimi Hendrix and ADii and Nico on the other hand all played actually songs and made actual music.

Notice how tard mask reddit meet up fans never have jobs and dont exist in the real world. Thats because liking it goes next to having an intellectual impairment.

>>138829
didn't listen past frownland award

>sits down and writes out 3 full paragraphs in seething rage
>he does this every single time he sees a mention of TMR
kek, we beefheartGODS are too busy having jobs and girlfriends for that loser shit. anyway for me it's Ant Man Bee

>>138832
I listened to the entire thing. It was literally all retarded as fuck and felt totally random. You're just intellectually insecure so pretend to like it i think. It fucjing sucked. I get the idea its just the idea is kind of stupid and TMR stretches it far past the point of novelty. Like yeah they played le wrong thing on purpose. Better ways they could have done this. It is le musically subversive ig but with ok it any emotional impact and within a utter lack of cohesion.

>>138851
You talk like you are retarded. I don't think you have either of these things. I think you think if you screeching loud enough people will think you do maybe. I'm one of the only people on here who actually works nor talks to women garunteed.

>>138851
Literally retarded screeching chungus music. Also stop talking in memes. Its emberassing.

Maybe not only but not you lmao. People who listen to tmr regularly as anything more than a joke have probably never been employed nor gotten laid to begin with though. Its like random retarded meme noise bullshit on par with hyperpop. Novelty Music. Shit you only care about as a cope probably. Just structureless and directionless slop for easily amused retards. CAN are better remembered for a reason. Zappa are also just spastic meme music. Reminds me of when I was 13 and would only listen to ytpmvs. Kind of sad in a grown man but whatever.

>>138860
TMRs biggest supporter is one of the most accomplished music critics ever, as well as an expert in cognitive science, mathematics and informatics

>>138862
I like Scaruffi but he has some super ‘tist decisions. Like scoring King Crimson high.

>>138865
>>138862
I meant in real life in current year tho. Most of the people talking about Tard Rage Reddit Meet up are people you meet in incel spaces not actual critics either. Certainly not people who are talented,intelligent,or contributing.

>>138862
Also notice how its literally never an actual musician themselves saying this. It influenced nothing. It's not historically notable.

>It lacks flow
all of the more listenable tracks have good flow
list of the more listenable tracks:
ella guru, moonlight on vermont, pachuco cadaver, china pig, my human gets me blues, dalis car, well, when big joan sets up, sugar n spikes, ant man bee, orange claw hammer and veterans day poppy
though a lot of the complex tracks flow too if you pay attention, perhaps best examplified by the rendition of steal softly thru snow on this recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpHgG4jILa0. its quite incredible how well john french was able to put beefhearts insanity together.
flow could also mean how the songs fit together, which they do. Particularly grating tracks are often contrasted with easy listening tracks.
>it lacks structure
theres only a few tracks with pop song structure but personally i dont see anything wrong with that. also unlike most bands beefheart properly ends his songs instead of fading them out.
>it lacks emotional resonance
so does nearly all experimental music, still veterans day poppy is a heartfelt track. its funny that you say this while sucking off velvet underground who are completely devoid of this.
>it lacks buildup
sugar n spikes has perhaps the most buildup ive heard in 60s song, or beefhearts habit of having multiple beats of a dissonant chord before resolving it
>it lacks melody
the tones are right there nigga.
>it lacks a true sense of rhythm
yet again a spat out sentence that doesnt actually mean anything.
>It influenced nothing
why should that be a bad thing, if anything being more influental would be bad since most music fucking sucks.

itt we post our favorite beefheart songs

I wouldn't call it "trash", but it's pretty mid

>>138883
Yes you in fact look like this image saying this.

>>138883
It lacks emotional resonance. You are just a retarded chungus who thinks music is tile counting.

>>138883
>"yet again a spat out sentence that doesnt actually mean anything."

It's really not. You're just too retarded to understand how music works on like a basic human level. It needs a driving groove. It needs focus. It doesn't have that. I don't doubt you have a thrupple chin and down syndrome face like Pic rel. But no. Its not a "spat out sentence",it's one of the most important structural elements of what van even remotely be considered music. And Trout Mask lacks a centralized sense of rhythm or organic movement fundamentally. CAN do not. They had it in spades. Because they actually knew what they were doing even somewhat. As opposed to Beefheart who was basically just having a spastic meltdown on stage.

>>138883
>"all of the more listenable tracks have good flow
list of the more listenable tracks:"

Ella guru just barely has it and certainly not a good one. The rest of these do not no.

>>138883
>"sugar n spikes has perhaps the most buildup ive heard in 60s song, or beefhearts habit of having multiple beats of a dissonant chord before resolving it"

Sure it does downie

I mean no ive heard that too. It really doesn't. Ther was definetely better at the time you just are not privy to it. Which makes sense because you wouldn't be. Paradise Now by Groep 1850 garunteed has more lol. And does it better since they had like an actual concept of pacing. Which I get you're mentally retarded somehow so you cannot tell. But Beefheart does not have. You chose the right wojak though I will say that. 🤣

I got oiss drunk and passed out for several hours. Heard from my current thing though. That was nice. Fucking shit is the world g I ing downhill though. Feel like nothing gives yiu consistent hours with good pay anymore. Like the job market is just fucking awful tbh. Im sure you retards will deny that though. When you start having to interact in the real world maybe TVU will hit more ngl.

>>138928
explain what you mean by that. Everyone likes to call trm fans pretentious but when asked why their favorite music is good they just say
>theres just something human in the way it resonates with me
meanwhile its a guy blabbering about getting sodomized over 3 chords
>>138929
so music should just appeal to the lowest common denominator? besides what makes CAN better than any other pop music
>>138930
all you're proving by saying this is that you either havent listened to the album or cant understand simple blues tunes, which makes sense given how drunk you are
>>138931
Just like nearly all your replies theres no actual argument to be found here, just a drunken man up at 5am inflating his ego on an anonymous imageboard

Also notice how nobody shits up threads 5+ replies at a time, everyone else here can express themselves in a structured and concise way except you

>>138944
I honestly can barely fucking read this shit with the godawful filter they put on it. What i got was that your a retarded manchild with zero friends and an incredibly limited attention span though. Which makes sense since TMR is less about an actual appreciation for music and more a desperate cry for attention where you want everybody to see you as a super smart big boy when you're actually a brainless spastic whos only interests are videogames and porn.

>>138944
>"so music should just appeal to the lowest common denominator?"

You are too retarded to hold a coherent thought. Random manchild spazzing while hitting random notes and screeching about woman no suck peepee while bashing his head into the wall is in fact lowest common denominator. Being the level of mentally retarded where you actually take tmr seriously as opposed to a joke at beefhearts expense is the lowest denominator.

>"besides what makes CAN better than any other pop music"

You've never actually listened to CAN lmao. Not sure where the "pop" is. I think this is your imagined dumbed down little tard big boy gamer idea of what CAN is maybe. Nobody remotely normal or really anybody who went outside would consider them "any other pop music" though. They just had an actual sense of melody or pacing. Things that beefheart was too intellectually disabled for. Muchlike how you are.

>"theres no actual argument to be found here, just a drunken man up at 5am inflating his ego"

You dont understand what rhythm and melody are? Is that because your a retarded incel who was raised on funko pops and gaming? Seems like a you issue ngl lmao. You cant hear natural progression so you cant process music on the same fundamental level which everybody else does. Makes sense.

If structure,form,pacing,or placement mean nothing to you you are fundamentally only ever going to be capable of understanding music on a substantially lower level than the general population if at all. Which is fine like I already assumed you were a fucking downie for listening to the funny screeching meme album unironically. It's more surprising that you this blatantly admitted (albeit unknowingly) to have literally never listend to CAN though. Because what your describing is clearly not them. Its your retarded big boy chungus reflection of what you think your "normie" cousins like which only makes sense in the context of making you feel better. But im not them. And the thing your describing is in your head. Not something can ever actually played. CAN were making art instalation shroomer shit for german methheads basically. They were not Oliva Rodrigo.

>>138954
>Random manchild spazzing while hitting random notes and screeching about woman no suck peepee while bashing his head into the wall is in fact lowest common denominator.
this has been stated thousands of times by other trm supporters but no the melody is arranged in a way where it makes sense together (except frownland of course) and the music is not easy to play.
>You've never actually listened to CAN lmao. Not sure where the "pop" is.
I have and they used to play them on radio
>>138955
Maybe you could've read what i was replying to but sure you're right actually
>>138956
>If structure,form,pacing,or placement mean nothing to you you are fundamentally only ever going to be capable of understanding music on a substantially lower level than the general population if at all.
But I do enjoy music like Hendrix and the like, you keep acting like beefheart is all we listen to. On a side note, are you a musician yourself? I myself have played guitar near every day for the past 2 years.
>CAN were making art instalation shroomer shit for german methheads basically.
its really not that fucking wild nigga

my favorite songs off of trout mask are hobo chang ba (the vocals make me smile) and steal softly thru snow (it snakes forward and reminds me of don caballero a little bit but more complex)

>>138959
You're right! Its not that wild. Its just intentionally bad for le quirky points. It's otherwise completely unoriginal also no you have not listened to CAN lmao. I can tell by how you describe them.

>>138959
I enjoy hendrix aswell. Fair enough. Hendrix was fucking good.

>>138959
>"this has been stated thousands of times by other trm supporters but no the melody is arranged in a way where it makes sense together (except frownland of course) and the music is not easy to play."

I agree that it is technically impressive but I do not think it lands. Least for me personally.

>>138959
The stuff they (CAN not Beefheart) had for radio was more sing song oriented. The long form "freak outs" are more what I was thinking of. I think paperhoude might have more chords than that but I get what you are saying. It applies more to some pieces than others though. They had a lot of long form jamming in there also.

*Paperhouse

Have to go back to work soonish but yeah. I get why you would think this but that's just their more popular stuff. The longer form jams are sort of both a bit like the Moody Blues or traffic and also closer to Beefheart or Zappa than I would probably like to admit or something similar. Yk long form drugged out jam rock.

Muchlike how Hendrixes commercial stuff tended to be more conventional and shorter. They had some "weirder" more "freak out" tracks aswell. They weren't JUST Paperhouse or Sing Seam Song either. Although I do like some of those aswell.

>>139020
It is true that ive only only heard CAN's more commercial stuff

>>139057
Which is fair. A lot of their live stuff especially though is long jams.